missfee said:

Yeah, but in that same documentary he explained what "Thuglife" was and it wasn't what he ended up like once he got with Deathrow. What "thuglife" was and what HE ended up as are 2 completely different things. Thuglife was his way of repping the less fortunate, almost in a Robin Hood kind of way. Deathrow made him a "Gangsta." Big difference.

LuxuryBrown said:

but you just said what i mentioned...that he started Thuglife before he got with DeathRow, in your previous statement you

said that

missfee said:

Me too.

Hobbitch said:

missfee said:[quote]

LuxuryBrown said:

Yeah, meaning he wanted to LIVE that life beyond what he was originally intending the "Thuglife" to represent.

Dewrede said:

oooooh yes he most definately does

...respectfully disagreeing

LuxuryBrown said:

okay i get cha now

kanamit said:

sosgemini said:

ditto

Natisse said:

ok

missfee said:

I actually don't know much about him because I never listened to much hip hop outside of some old skool favorites. I've always been such a jazz head that I only heard a little of his stuff shortly before he died. He seemed to be a rather complicated, paradoxal young man though. They release albums of unheard music for him every 5 minutes in Europe and he continually saturates the airwaves and video charts here. For me it's almost as if he was never killed because "somebody" (I don't know who) will not let that poor child's soul rest

I hope this hasn't been said 89 times already on the thread, but I'm too sleepy to read the whole thing.

All I want to say is that I think Shakur, if still alive today, being ten years older, wouldn't have stoop to "Laffy Taffy" and whatever the fuck else Hip Hop's been shelling out these past years. Good God. I don't know how this'll sound, but I truly believe he'd keep quality in this genre of music.

Most importantly, I think he'd be a positive voice for "the community" (take that however you want it). Especially young people. I'm white but myself and my friends (of all races) enjoyed his albums and they were a part of our life. He was an aware, intelligent and observant person and I seriously think he would have (or been capable of doing) some really positive things in these past ten years and beyond.

He was young when he was killed. People that dislike him and trash on his image don't stop to consider that. I realize some of his lyrics were thuggish and "violent" to older people, but it didn't mean he wasn't intelligent or clever. Anyone who knows his music knows he was both. I think having the younger, harsher shit under his belt would actually add to his persona and credibility if he ever chose to become more of a liason and mentor for the youth. His voice was strong and believeable. I loved/love his music. Even now I'm still saddened. Music needs a talented artist in this area BADLY.

INSATIABLE said:

missfee said:

PurpleCharm said:

CO TRIPLE SIGN TO THE 18TH POWER!!!

Dewrede said:

But 'thuglife' didnt mean to live as a thug

It stood for 'The...Hate...U...Give...Little...Infants...Fucks...Everyone

DanceWme said:

How stupid a motto is that

kanamit said:

I'd say, not very because you exhibit every bit of the truth in it!

N.ever I.gnorant G.etting G.oals A.ccomplished..

Holla back, R.I.P. Pac

Especially after watching the Resurrection documentary, I certainly respect him a lot, but he just made too many bad choices: both Suge and Bruce Hornsby samples!

MendesCity said:

OMG that was so awesome wasn't it!!

Natisse said:

yes it was, i like to hear Jada Pickett-Smith talk about their friendship.

They were really close, it was also very ironic that they made a video (Pac and Jada) singing a Fresh Prince song when they were in high school that was priceless.

Duggs said:

but it made me cry

Natisse said:

I feel ya, i may have been a lil misty eyed myself.

I remember when Pac got shot, my 1st thought was damn again!!! Well he will make it just like the 1st time.

I didnt cry at first when he died, but 6months later when Biggie was murdered I cried for both of them.

Duggs said:

I never knew that much about him before, but my son was into Pac like I'm into Prince and that was enough reason for me to pay attention. I did my homework on the guy and found that he wasn't the garden variety thug I thought he was. Hip hop ain't my thing, but I will say that at least the guy was authentic. My theory is that he's dead because had he lived, he would have turned the corner and his influence would have taken people in a direction away from the parasites who profit from the whole gansta-thug life mentality. Seems to me he realized that the genre was being hijacked and he was preparing to take it to another level. Perhaps Pac and Biggie saw Diddy and Suge's complicity in the subversion of hip hop and didn't like what they saw?

I'm sure somebody on here would have more insight on that than myself.

babynoz said:

thats interesting, could you elaborate? i hate to say it but i dont know what you mean by "subversion of hip hop"

as far as Pac and Biggie, they were two FRIENDS that fell out for whateva reason but the media took their personal beef and made it to a East Coast vs. West Coast war. thats when things got crazy hetic

Duggs said:

That right there is exactly what I'm talking about. Crazy hectic is what initially propelled this whole gangsta thing into the mainstream. To my knowlege Pac and Biggie had settled their differences, but that was bad for business wasn't it.

That's just my take on it. I'm sure lots of people know more about it than I do.

babynoz said:

Your take on things was so on the money, that I almost jumped out of my seat!

Let me see if I can break it down like I felt it for Duggs.

Complicity: Guilt as an accomplice in a crime or offense

Subversion: Destroying someone's (or some group's) honesty or loyalty; undermining moral integrity

Perhaps Pac and Biggie saw Diddy and Suge's guilt as accomplices in the crime of destroying hip hop's honesty and didn't like what they saw?

Now that's something to think about!!

SexyBeautifulOne said: