ladygirl99 said:

Who r u to tell where i should go?
i find it very aggressive the way u r dealing with my comment.
Again i'm free to post any argument concerning what i view as artists or phoneys, now don't try to police me please.....
if u disagree with what i say just let me know but don;t tell me u have a right to say it.... now piss off!!!
I'm not insulting 2pac nor his fans

kanamit said:

Okay calm down baby boy, no need to get your undies all in a bunch. The reason why I was as you quote or believe "very aggressive" toward you (which I wasn't) not because of your opposing view, it is because you questioned others about their taste.
Like I said if you want to express why you dislike Tupac and his music then thats cool but if you are going to argue something that in other words questioning others about their taste, then yes you aren't adding anything essential to this thread. You basically just uhm, baiting. Because I am going to continue to love and also have appreaciation and I don't have to explain to you or anyone why I like Tupac just because you think he was talentless. There isn't anything wrong with me or his fans. and you might like artists that I don't care for but I am not going to second guess your taste. That is all I am saying here.

kanamit said:

Yes you are.

ladygirl99 said:

Ok Mummy i'm gonna calm down

Hobbitch said:

Quote me first

kanamit said:

You said:
Another thread about a minor and somehat talentless artist

What's wrong with u guys?


And I am done engaging you. I don't dig people who bait and I particularly don't dig people who bait and don't know what the hell they are talking about.

Plus, I don't dig reusers who don't let people know who they are.

'Pac was so frustrating to me.

He was a chameleon. And, IMO, part of his problem was that he seemed to want to be all things to all people. And he was intelligent enough to almost pull it off. I had no idea, until after his death, as to how far his abilities flowed. But he never found a true focus. And at times he contradicted himself. That was the frustrating part.

'He coulda' been a contender'

violator said:

I get what you're saying but he was so young. At the same age he was when he was doing his thing, how many of us can say we'd found our true focus. Not many, that's for sure. Speaking for myself, I didn't find it until I was 32.

I believe if he had lived, he would have been a major contender! He knew it, the people who loved him knew it and the people who feared him knew it. Which unfortunately is one of the main reasons I think he was killed in the first place.

i know the lots of you love this guy but im sorry, the image he portrayed was everything thats wrong with our culture...

and dear mama? an artistic statement? does that mean Gangstar's Paradise and that bugs, thugs and harmony songs are as well?

ditto

pennylover said:

missfee said:

Yeah, leaving Suge wasn't gonna be as simple as it sounds, ask Dre. Dre left with NOTHING and he was 90% of DeathRow with his music and creativity and star power, Suge was just the muscle and money behind it all.

Pac owed Suge a lot and Suge was gonna make damn sure Pac paid him back WITH interest and Pac feared him.

ladygirl99 said:

In no way did Suge have anything to do with Pac's death for 2 simple reasons: 1 - If Suge wanted Pac dead he could have had him iced-off at anytime and without him being in the same line of fire that killed Pac.

2 - Pac was Suge's cash cow and he wasn't going to jeopardize that. Sure he's made money off Pac since then but there was no way in hell Suge was that much of a visionary to think "A dead Tupac is worth MILLIONS!"...That wasn't in Suge's business make-up.

Does he know who did it? Maybe not exactly but he knows the people behind it and he's already had some taken care of since Pac's death.

sosgemini said:

Maybe not where you're from but where I'm from, yes they are artistic statements presented by people that do not represent everything that's wrong with our culture. They just happened to be the ones to expose a great deal of what it is wrong with our culture to the rest of the world through their images and their rhymes.

It is dead wrong that there are mothers who turn their children into crack babies.

It is dead wrong that there are people in our culture whose only means of financial support comes on the first of the month and they blow that on drugs.

It is dead wrong that too much television watching has got people chasing dreams.

Don't hate the messengers...hate the message!

SexyBeautifulOne said:

i dont hate the messenger...i just hate the ones who capatalize on it for selfish reasons. ie, their wallet.

sosgemini said:

I hope you aren't saying that Tupac was one who capitalized on the message you are talking about for money...because that's far from the truth. He was dirt poor..it's not his fault that he wanted to deliver a message through his artistic talent, then ended up becoming famous for it.

Yes there are rappers out there who haven't even lived the type of life that they rap about and show videos about, and are just interested in making a dollar, but as far as I could see, Tupac was definitely not one of those rappers.
[Edited 8/17/06 9:48am]

LuxuryBrown said:

Slow ya roll LB. I never once said that Suge Knight have any to do with Tupac's death but at the same time I won't let anything pass him though. IMO I think he knows more than what he is telling.

ladygirl99 said:

Oh no, I wasn't accusing you of saying that, I was just pointing out the facts with verve!

I always thought Suge Knight was the bigger version of Big Red (from the movie "The Five Heartbearts")

missfee said:

dre dre was in a jerri curl band....tupac was part of digital underground...they realized they needed to perpetuate an image in order to become richer so they changed...became rich along with the record label execs and our culture is the lesser for it.

amos and andy anyone?

LuxuryBrown said:

People say what they wanted to say but I always think it was illogical for Suge to arrange Tupac's death especially when Suge wasn't too far from it that night. Well I hoped whoever did Tupac got their karma.
I totally missed him.

I really try not to speak on things or people I don't know about or have no basis for my opinion on. Everything I knew of Tupac seemed to be a constant contradiction and knowing only a handful of his songs and the images the news and videos rotated regularly, I decided to watch Tupac Resurrection a few years ago.

Afterward, I found myself thinking about him a lot. I wondered what would’ve become of him had he never met Suge or even got into hip hop?

I hate that they always show that clip of him holding money and tossing it at the camera talking about Deathrow as the place to be. It’s such a low image but at the same time, it shows where his mindset was at the time. I wondered if he could see what was happening to him as it was happening and if he cared or if he knew how to stop it.

I wondered why he had to die before he could get out of that life or leave Deathrow. I think life had been whispering—-and later shouting—-to him for awhile to make a change.

It seemed he got derailed from the man he was on course to be before his career blew up and especially before Deathrow. He was multifaceted with great promise in whatever he chose to be—activist, actor, poet, rapper...

There are still visuals and lyrics that he created that I don’t care for but now I've seen and heard the other side of him. I understand how he could touch his fans the way he did, why they love him so and why his death was so profound to the community.

His character in Juice still haunts me.

I always thought he had beautiful telling eyes...
[Edited 8/17/06 10:05am]

JackieBlue said:

sosgemini said:

I still don't agree with that. I don't think Tupac just suddenly "changed" to make more money...he started out with Digital Underground because he was homeless for one, and that was a LEGAL source of income for him. He couldn't live at home because at the time his mother was on drugs....and he wasn't even good at dealing drugs, he said that himself....so Digital Underground was a way for him to eat.

If you watch a clip of him as a teenage just freestyling, he says most of the things that he talked about after his Digital Underground days. I don't think he changed, he was still the same person with the same views.

Everybody has to start somewhere.
[Edited 8/17/06 10:15am]

sosgemini said:

How much of his body of work are you talking about SOS?

We can take pretty much any artist and find something fucked up about them or their catalogue.

Hobbitch said:

which most people on this site do pretty much everyday...

missfee said:

agreed...but most art does not affect an entire community of people...negatively.

sosgemini said:

I'm sorry but I am a member of that community and Pac's music affected me positively. Can you tell me what you consider so negative about it?

The whole thug nonsense

Dewrede said:

CO-SIGN