SoulAlive said:

I don't see what his problem is. If the shoe was on the other foot and the type of music I liked was dominating the charts, radio, TV, and all the other media, I would be more than happy to put up with people bitching that don't like it.

Hey, don't forget about me. I was having a horrible day at work so it felt damn good to let it out on somebody.

SoulAlive said:

I hope I never make a statement like this.
I don't ever want to sound this pompous & superior & old.
I don't ever want to be this closeminded.


Music today is music today.
Enjoy it for what it is.
Stop with this my music is better then your music shit.









Can't we all just get along?

thedoorkeeper said:

We will talk about it in 10 years time and see if u don't make so called pompous comment....time will tell

I wouldn't care how much bullshit they played on the radio if they let other music come in, give it equal airplay, and give something else a chance to change musical styles like they have always changed every five, ten years tops. Shit hop has dominated for fifteen years and everything else that might threaten it has been purposely kept out.

When radio lets the styles naturally change like they always have in the past, then "we can all get along". Until that day, bitch on.

Ah, I think you forgot about the 60's.

thedoorkeeper said:

I can't enjoy most of it. I just can't. Because I think it's beyond sub-par. I guess I'll just have to settle with sounding pompous and old then.

20 years ago this week....

The Billboard Hot 100
1. Madonna - Papa Don't Preach
2. Steve Winwood - Higher Love
3. Bananarama - Venus
4. Belinda Carlisle - Mad About You
5. Peter Cetera - Glory Of Love (Karate Kid II Soundtrack)
6. Lionel Richie - Dancin' On The Ceiling
7. Berlin - Take My Breath Away (Top Gun Soundtrack)
8. Jermaine Stewart - We Don't Have To Take Our Clothes Off
9. Timex Social Club - Rumors
10. Wham - The Edge Of Heaven

Today....

The Billboard Hot 100
1. Fergie - London Bridge
2. Gnarls Barkley - Crazy
3. Nelly Furtado feat. Timbaland - Promiscuous
4. Cassie - Me & U
5. The Pussycat Dolls featuring Snoop Dogg - Buttons
6. Sean Paul feat. Keyshia Cole - (When You Gonna) Give It Up To Me
7. Panic At The Disco - I Write Sins Not Tragedies
8. Christina Aguilera - Ain't No Other Man
9. Ne-Yo - Sexy Love
10. Young Dro feat. T.I. - Shoulder Lean

I don't know about y'all, but I see equal parts bullshit on both those lists. Which is kinda the point. If you use radio as a point of reference, you're always gonna be disappointed. No generation of music can be solely defined by what you hear on the radio. There are plenty of interesting young artists making good music today. You just gotta dig a little. And if you're being honest with yourself, you'll acknowledge that it's always been that way.

I always have this conversation with my Mother who was a teen back in the 60's during the Motown Sound era, which of course she thinks will always be the best.


I say that the 60's/early 70's was the most important musical era but for me nothing beats 1975-1985, the best ten years that music has ever seen IMO.So many great songs from all genre's during that period, to me that ten years of great music is untouchable.

violator said:

I wish I would have said that myself. ...I went to Mediabase and looked to see if any of the stations were playing Van Hunt or Goapele. I couldn't find any in the 7 day charts.

20 years ago I liked Rumors, the Berlin song, and guily pleasure Jermaine Stewart. The Winwood song was cool too I guess. ...Today's top-ten has only two songs I own (Gnarls Barkley & Cassie). I admit the Fergie track is catchy.

20 years ago - Dancing on the Ceiling was horrible and still is! I lost so much respect for Lionel with that album and video.

bobsteezy said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:

I knew u would bust me for saying that
[Edited 8/19/06 12:58pm]

bobsteezy said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Yeah. Cream were from that decade.

violator said:

I personally never took much interest in what happened in the commercial radiocharts .
From the moment that i visited a club where they played underground funk , all my attention went to finding difficult import-albums and singles .
On MTV-Europe were incidently some soul and funk-clips like Zapp , Dazz Band , Maze and a few other UK channels had some solid shows with artists appearing in their studio .



The early boundaries of the House ( Sound Of Chicago ) didn't affect me much untill the moment when a duo like Masters @ Work started to mix latin-sounds in their mixes . House has evolved much imo to all kinda substyles like Deep House , Break Beat ( which are both my fave ) or Techno , etc .
This is one of the current eras where i think it's flourishing .
I spoke with a producer/musician today and he's collabing with a lot of diverse musicians , like a female-violinist who's doing some club-tracks .



Also some new retro-sounding pop has surpringly results .
Not so long ago i was at home during a warm day .
I suddenly heard an electro-pop live-jam outside my window as if it was played on the street . I went outside and saw on the square in my hood an outside party where a new generation group was playing these jams on instruments , so that was cool .



Musicians will always be here cause besides the artist or groups that start in the home backyard , there are still schools of performing arts .
It will be a question whether that new generation of schooled musicians will set their goals to the commercial area .




The contempory pop & rock-scene is at a solid state and an area where "bands" are still active .
MySpace is an interesting place where new talent has a possibility to launch their work . I recently read about a new female talent who received much exposure without the help of a big company or some annoying radio-dj's .
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thedoorkeeper said:

As long as there are some young people that have no respect for their musical elders for all the blood, sweat, and tears that were used to created the music history that we had for the last 200 years that THIS music industry existed, then that answer the your question is (....and I'm feel sad saying this ) hell no, we all can't get along like we should!!!

As long as our future generation are trap with almost no options but bullshyt artists like Cassie, Ashlee Simpson, 50 Cent/G-Unit, Coldplay, Radiohead, etc., then why should some of us (the older, wiser generation) should show THIS same music industry any mercy?

vainandy said:

Case In Point To All Of You:

I would like to see some electronic music (Read: "Electronia") to be given another shot at mainstream sucess. I know the marketing was mess up the last time those genres were being promoted back in 1997. But since hip-hop/r&b sucks of the moment, I say the music industry needs to give house, hip-house, electro, and breakbeats artists another shot!

TonyVanDam said:

Because they're no more trapped than we were by the Debbie Gibsons, Tiffanys, Lionel Richies and Roxettes of our generation. Stop using the radio to define music today. It didn't back then and it doesn't today.

TonyVanDam said:

It could be because they have easier acces to music with the 3 i's , Internet , I-Tunes and I-Pods . The way of presenting music has drastically changed .
I think it's a great progress with much potential for succes ( new possible talent on a place like MySpace ) .
Former generations went to a shop after having seen or heard a new smashing track on MTV or radio .


Info about all kinda artists and their histoty can often be found on the net .
I don't know about the overall POV in general , but i've experienced some "lazyness" on various forums when it comes to exploring for new interesting info . In some cases people wanted to have their info presented on a plate . Digging 4 info takes effort & time which is a value in the current digital & fast era .

violator said:

Well at least Deborah Gibson and Lionel Richie know how to compose music. Most of the young artists today don't always write their own lyrics, let alone compose music at all. And their producers are really a bunch of beatmakers!

TonyVanDam said:

If you focus on the commercial market .... yes , in some cases .
The internet-area is too expanded to generalise that most of the new generation lacks of talent .

100MPH said:

Speaking of internet-area, check out acidplanet.com sometimes. There's a lot of unknown talent out there.

TonyVanDam said:

Cool , thanx Tony

violator said:

I can't agree there. The '86 list must be one of the weakest of that decade, but it's still a few orders of magnitude better than the '06 one. I can only bear to listen to a couple of the current hits.

violator said:

You can't be serious! The top 10 of 1986 are classics, THIS alone makes them more superior than the top 10 of 2006. And BTW, there's only 4 songs from 2006 (in bold) that I like.

AlexdeParis said:

Well I didn't pick and choose it. I simply pulled the list from 20 years ago today. But I can't possibly see where it's any better than '06. Try to be objective. I'm not really interested in any one persons' opinion about the music. I'm talking about a general consensus. Try and point out even two songs on that list that, 20 years later, would be considered vital or classic.

Personally, I don't see one.

violator said:

Well, that's not the same as seeing equal parts bullshit. There's a great deal of middle ground between "classic" and "bullshit." At any rate, the closest things to classics on either list are probably the top two from '86. More importantly, I find the vast majority of the '80s songs enjoyable. "Glory of Love" and "Take My Breath Away" are delicious slices of cheese. OTOH, Chaka's backing vocals alone on "Higher Love" put every '06 performance to same.

i stick with my 70s of course and a some 60s

AlexdeParis said:

But who determines what that middle ground is? It's fine that you enjoy some of the cheesy songs on that 80's list. At least you recognize cheese when you hear it. Some of the folks on this thread want to use the cheese of today's era to define an entire generation of music. I'm sure many of the folks that enjoy new music wouldn't want that Billboard list held up as a representation of their music anymore than I'd want that 80's list used as a representation of mine.