Because we are all different - we may all have different views on legendary status. Elvis was a lengend to my mom and while I acknowledge his impact on the culture - he never meant shit to me.

I like Mariah's voice but I have a deeper respect for others who write, sing, and play or take a stance. As such, Public Enemy is legendary to me.

...Also how about those that carried over from the 80's into the 90's? Sade, Dr. Dre, Babyface, Jam & Lewis.

Artists that I first became hip to in the 90's that I view as legends... D'Angelo, Mint Condition, Maxwell, and to some extent Biggie, & Jay Z.

B.

ladygirl99 said:

Sorry dude, but you need to branch out and get some perspective on these childhood faves of yours. That list of "legends" is EMBARRASING!

whoknows said:

Well I do considered them to be legends and they do get their props. True they weren't innovators or anything. But....aw forget I don't have time to explain to people who doesn't have no respect or any knowledge for hip-hop music yet are the same ones demand respect of their likes on some crap 90s alternative and grunge music( I do like Nivana and Kurt Cobain though).
Also you don't know shit about me or my taste about music and I bet ur life that my taste is much open than yours.
And I am a female not a dude..aiight??? I don't know why some of you assuming that I am a dude?
I was having a ball too that you was getting your arse kick by debating with another poster on that Why orgers dislike Prince's music the past 10 years. and plus my boy Banana got on you for taking it a little too personal. You aren't worth replying to because apparently you just came on here trying to bait. Talking loud and saying nothing.
Next!

ladygirl99 said:

Dude was you reading the same thread?? Skywalker got blasted by two other orgers on that same thread for not being able to follow points. He didn't understand anything that was being said to him. He thinks Emancipation was just as big a hit album as Diamonds and Pearls. You probably agree with that; lol. And for the record I can't stand grunge music. Please don't presume to know my tastes when you clearly don't.

whoknows said:

Yes I am talking about the same thread and I agreed with him of his argument. He stated his viewpoint very well. He wasn't the only one on that thread who went off topic.
BTW here in the USA, Emancipation sold just as many records as Diamonds and Pearls and that is a fact whether you like it or not.
Now back to this thread,
I don't know where you are coming from but I am not a dude again I am a female. And where I come from guys calling female gets
And don't second guess my taste either just because you opposed to what I CONSIDER to be legends.

bobsteezy said:

Well said. That is the smartest response on here. Did you hear that whoknows and mattperry? please print this statement and memorized over and over until you get it in your thick heads. this thread should ended with that quote.


I also don't consider Elvis to be a huge legend other than knowledge his presence of the 50s and 60s. My mom doesn't think Elvis was a huge legend though even though he was around when she little but she has respect for his contributions. To my mother her legends are Marvin Gaye, Tyrone Davis, Johnny Taylor, Joe Simon, Candi Station, Little Milton, Mary Wells, Albert King, and more.


Word.


Word again.
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90s rock is about this type of "legends"

mattperry said:

Exactly!! Some people just don't have a clue.

The next thing we know is someone will be saying The Spice Girls are legends of the 90's

FuNkeNsteiN said:

laughter is the best medicine.

Though he wasnt a mega-seller....JEFF BUCKLEY comes to mind...he has a cult following like no other and the one album (GRACE) he released while still alive is considered by many to be among the best pieces of work released in the 90's.

peace

mattperry said:

Dude, you are way off here.

Nirvana was a band that mattered, granted, they were important, but grunge is just some bullshit that was made up by rock critics to make THEMSELVES look important - give them something to pontificate about. By your own criteria, Nirvana didn't push music forward, in fact rock has been dead as a doornail since the mid-90s, so wherever Nirvana pushed music, it certainly wasn't forward. They were a rock band. They had a particular style. Tons of people liked it. For the most part, I did. Nirvana had two records out that were popular. They weren't even popular as an intact group for very long - about 2.5 years before Cobain cashed out. They are NOT the Who, the Rolling Stones, Miles Davis etc. who were relevant, reinvented themselves and music through many different eras. One reason aside from their good music that Nirvana was SO pumped up by the critics is that Cobain's introverted, self-loathing REALLY struck a chord with self-hating critics.

kisscamille said:

Didn't you just read what bobsteezy said?
I don't considered Spice Girls to be legend but then who I am to say that folks who do they are wrong or otherwise have no clue. One person Elvis is another person's Mc Hammer or Courtney Love. Isn't funny that some people here preached about respecting legends even though you might not like their music yet the same ones showing lack of respect for some of 90s hip hop and rnb who are some is talented at their own right? Major hypocrites don't ya think? Personally I don't think that Courtney Love change course of music nor was innovative. She just a psycho chick with duck lips plays some rock. but where is the outcry of that as much I am hearing about hip hop and rnb artists here?
Damn some of yall need to drink less of that hip hop and rnb haterade o-kay.
I can't believe you agreed with some clown who didn't even put james brown on his so-called legend list and considered Nivana to be innovated.
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ladygirl99 said:

He wasn't blasted for going off topic he was blasted for completely misreading what people were saying. I suggest you go back and re read it.

You actually took the bait! I'll educate you on this. 700,000 copies of Emancipation were shipped to American record stores. Only 450, 000 of those were sold. The RIAA statistics only count the records shipped, not the records sold. They multiplied that figure by 3 because it was a triple album, hence the 2 million figure which everyone knew was baloney. Read Liz Jones's book Slave To The Rhythm. She explains it very clearly. Emancipation sold less than Lovesexy nevermind Diamonds and Pearls.

Okay, dude.

Err, exactly when did I second guess your taste? Like your buddy Skywalker you seem to be imagining things. Bye.

whoknows said:

You serious? You are going going to use Liz Jones as your source? The same author who jumps from one subject to another. The same author who can't get her dates and facts straight when her life depends on it and and can't even write a book properly like reliable and real authors who did Prince's book like Per Nilsen. Nice try. I will believed RIAA statistics over Liz Jones anything thank you very much.
And goodbye to you baiter. Probably just another orger from a banned account under a different name.

ladygirl99 said:

lol, notice you didn't even try to respond intellectually. A sure sign of a lack of confidence in your argument. Not surprising. Emancipation went to number 11 and dropped out of the Top 40 in a matter of weeks. It had no big hits. Yet you believe it sold as well as D&P? Err, okay.

whoknows said:

What does Emancipation and D&P has anything to do with this thread anyway? The only reason why I pointed out that thread was because I remembered how you got nailed big time in debating and your arguements over there is based on presumptions and personal viewpoint rather than logic. It isn't about me agree or disagree with the other person, it is about the fact I was impressed of him have the better arguement and had evidence to backup his claim. And rather than trying to defute them, you took it bit too personal and got frustated. Therefore don't even go there about claiming my respond wasn't 'intelligently' enough. I don't have to prove shit to you or anyone else on here.
Go back to debate on that Why orgers dislike Prince's music the past 10 years thread with your so-called claimed of Emancipation sold less than D&P. I don't have time to have meaningful and inciteful discussions to baiters.
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ladygirl99 said:

You copped out again. Sounds like you're scared because you know you're wrong. You were impressed with Skywalker because he shares your opinion, but you weren't inteligent enough to see that he was missing the point time after time and his "logic" was muddled.
Earlier you said you didn't consider Bob Dylan a legend, but you consider Aaliyah and TLC legends. There is nothing I could possibly add to that to make you seem any more ignorant.

VANITYSprisonBYTCH said:

Can't argue with that. Although arguably he's best known for writing a song that wound up on Shrek, IMHO "Everybody Here Wants You" is arguably the greatest love ballad since "Adore."

Tupac & Kurt Cobain are the "biggies" to me.

Bjork and PJ Me'Shell and badu as well but most might not consider them legends but I sure as hell do

Sorry, there are no legends of the 90's yet. Even the influential, high selling ones aren't to the level of legend yet. Some of them will be, but it's a bit premature to call anyone a legend until some more time than this has passed. A legend implies time as well as stature. And the time element just isn't there yet.


Hell, I don't even think there are any 80's legends yet. And that includes the big ones, like Prince, Madonna, MJ, U2, etc.
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Dayspring said:

If you don't think Prince is a legend then you need your account revoked especially since he's in the Rock&Roll Hall of Fame. If THAT doesn't scream legend then what does?
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LuxuryBrown said:

Sorry, it's too soon for anyone from the last 25 years to be called a legend. I know that they'll all acheive that status, but we're assigning that level of success and importance WAY too early these days.

Dayspring said:

25 years is too early? You know you are just fibbing to see peoples reactions! Prince was born a legend

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

nah. he's almost there. another 5 years or so. he's a legend to us, but to the rest of the world, he's just some washed up pop singer. in a couple years, he'll enter his legend phase, where people continually talk about him, yet no one actually still buys his music (you know, like McCartney, Dylan, Bowie, etc. ). he's halfway there now. he just needs people to talk about him

Dayspring said:

Ok in that context you have a point but I thought you were saying that he wasn't at all. I was gonna have to beat your ass for lyin like that

Dayspring said:

No it isn't. You sound like a baseball writer.

Come on, now.

I was almost with you on the 90"s, but the 80's?

There is no time requirement for establishing legendary status. In any event, Prince began his career in the 70's. MJ, I believe, began his in the 60's. Madonna, about 23-25 years ago. U2, same thing.
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Dayspring said:

Let's look at this rationally.

25 years ago, in 1981, McCartney was a legend. Dylan was a legend. Bowie, not really.

And none of those guys are outselling Prince by a mile right now. In any event, Prince's catalogue sales are fine, and his greatest hits comps always sell well.

A first-ballot RRHOFer is a certified legend. You're gonna tell me that a cat with his plaque on the wall in a music hall of fame ain't a legend? A plaque itself is a "legend" per se.

P.S. -- happy orging. welcome.
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VANITYSprisonBYTCH said:

ditto.
i would say kurt(melodic pop punk), jeff(emorock and soul)and tricky/massive attack(trip-hop) are/were the only people to come-up with original sounds in the 90's. all three changed music, in one way or another, in our generation.

namepeace said:

Justin Timberlake's jacket is in the RRHOF too. Is it a legend?