Why do MJ fans have a problem with Quincey Jones? It's almost like they are "Jealous" of the success that Michael and Quincey shared.

You notice how the newer fans like to say that "Dangerous" is Michael best album and try to make out Quincy had nothing to do with Michael's greatest success.

I think they're not trying to take away from Quincy so much as edify Michael.

He's undeniable as a superstar, but some people think Quincy was responsible for the best music.

you realize many of the young MJ fans are just

but then you get the person who knows little about MJ and they'll say Q made MJ.
everytihng from Diana Ross Presents to Destiny is str8 fire, so the 10 yrs of MJ's career without Q was great.

Q took MJ to the next level, but MJ was primed for that level of superstardom, dude woulda still made hot tracks if his albums were produced by any hot producer at the time (G&H, Nile Rodgers...etc)

I think Dangerous/History Disc 2 are really good, MJ's ott ego driven pop sensibilities are one of a kind, love it or hate it.
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lilgish said:

True & true. Michael was destined to be a superstar, he'd been a star since he was a kid. But Quincy was at his peak as well. That's what made those albums (particularly Off The Wall IMO) so special.

Because haters give quincy more due just to take away from the talent of michael.He was mjs producer and they try to make it more than that.

And they list dangerous because it was a good album, second to off the wall

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lilgish said:

whatsgoingon said:

See the thing with me is that I've been a fan for 20 years. Basically since I was a toddler. Hardly a "new" fan, although I was obviously not old enough to experience the Thriller years (although haha, in the UK Bad was his commercial peak).

Off The Wall is my fav album, but Dangerous and HIStory are next. A nice trendy bunch of perfectly executed pop/soul classics? Bring 'em on, no problem. A great mixture of styles of which I can individually appreciate without thinking about how the critics react to it or if it'd be a radio hit in decades to come? Yes please!

MJ fans who have a problem with Quincy getting more credit in the partnership than he's due aren't necessarily new fans, just people who don't feel there was any decline since they parted. It was different but no better or worse for me.

I am a MJ fan and I love the albusm Quincy Jones produced and I think Quincy helped MJ flourish. However, I don't agree with people who say Quincy was the one and only reason why OTW, Thriller and Bad were great albums. Because Dangerous was a brilliant album, and Quincy wasn't involved at all. But I really do like how Quincy helped Michael and I think they should work together again if it means Michael will flourish as a songwriter and singer.

lilgish said:

I agree with you there. Michael without Quincy was brilliant too. I mean love Destiny and Truimph and Quincy had nothing to do with them. But I do believe has a solo artist Quincy bought the best out of Michael in a way no other producer has.

Triumph is a better Michael Jackson album (with the others on backing vox duties) than Thriller, Bad and maybe even Off The Wall. Walk Right Now, Lovely One, Heartbreak Hotel, Can You Feel It... if this album was a solo project it would be considered a classic.

And Q was nowhere to be seen. MJ was just hot back then. And he continued to be up till 1997.
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MattyJam said:

In my book Triumph is a classic. Infact after OTW it's my favourite Michae Jackson related album.

Q fanatics always forget about Destiny and Triumph. Never met anyone who hasn't been blown away by those albums.

Ellie said:

Destiny SUCKS!!!

Triumph ROCKS!!!

How in the hell does Destiny suck? It's dated better than Triumph production wise too.

sosgemini said:

You think Destiny sucks? What are you smoking? The ballads alone on that album rank with his best work.

whoknows said:

IMHO the album sucks.

:suck:

sosgemini said:

Well, one man meat is another man's poison., as thesaying goes.

If you don't like it you don't like, but I will take both Destiny and Triumph over Bad, Dangerous and History any day, any time...

whatsgoingon said:

Me too. Play those albums in public and hear how great they still sound. Play History in public and feel yourself cringe. Only Scream, Stranger and Come Together don't sound awful, although I love They Don't Care About Us. 1978-1983 was his best period vocally too.

whoknows said:

You love "They Don't Care About Us" but you think it sounds awful?

I like all of those albums, but Dangerous and Triumph are my favorites of the ones mentioned. I prefer the former. Dangerous is a long album with a lot of great songs.

How can anyone not love Money, 2Bad or Smile?

Vocally I think he was best during Bad. He never had any of that raw grit in his voice before 1985. Just a loud whine. He lost that nasal tone people oh so love to take the piss out of during that period.
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sosgemini said:

I was just about to say that. I wasn't really feeling Destiny, kinda boring if u ask me, but I love Triumph!

whoknows said:

Well, in general you wouldn't play most of the stuff from History in a club or party because they are not exactly club/party type of songs. Now, songs from Truimph and Destiny are still quite popular in the clubs, because they have that kind of "feel" about them.

I too believe MJ best period was between 78 and 83. It was defientely his most productive period, he was averaging an album a year and he was on fire...

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Ellie said:

I like those songs actually. The latter two, more than Money. I really like the hook in Money, but the verses are so-so for me. Some days I get into it, but I tend to just tolerate them until the hooks comes in.

I find MJ voice in latter years ignoring, it's almost like his straining his voice. The fact that he rarely sings live at his concerts anymore tells me his voice isn't what it use to be. He has definetly lost the "soulfulness" in his voice..
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Destiny is so much better than Truimph.

PurpleRighteous1 said:

Same here. I love the chorus of Money, but the verses don't do much. The point I was making though is that the beats on that whole album are lame, with only 3 or 4 exceptions.

Ellie said:

His voice before 85 was "just a loud whine"???? Are you out of your fucking mind?? Bad marked the start of the decline in Michael's singing, although he was still great. The real damage kicked in during The Bad Tour. In the Japan shows in 87 he sang live all the way through and sounded great. A year later in Europe his voice was noticably rougher(not in a good way) and he was miming the last 2 songs. From here on in it was a steady decline. His vocal peaks were his first 3 years at Motown and then coming into his adult style on Destiny through to Say, Say, Say in 83.

whoknows said:

very true. See that's why I like this forum. I know this has been said many times over, but thinking back to when I used to frequent the MJ forums, I wouldn't have been able to find anyone who agreed with me on that point. They think MJs word is gospel over there. Very redundant, but I had to say it.