HoneymoonXpress said:

His father is also an open, outspoken homophobe. All Michael's problems stem from this, but don't tell his brain dead fans. They don't even realise he's gay.

skyecute said:

Michael's abnormal because he seemingly refuses to accept that he is a 48 year old adult and because he's had his face mangled. And he does not have vitiligo, by the way, despite his claims. admittedly I'm no expert but I do know enough about skin to know that vitiligo does not affect a person the way Michael's skin has changed. I can get with wanting to defend your hero, but pick up a medical book before you buy his bullshit about a disease he can't possibly have.

Now plenty of celebrities have plastic surgery -more do than don't, I'm willing to bet -but the difference is that most of them knew when to draw the line. Michael does not.

Mick Jagger, though odd looking, came by his features by nature, not by way of an ethically questionable plastic surgeon. So your point is moot. Mick looks more normal by default because he's still got his own face.

As for your other point. No, no one thinks Ozzy is normal or certain behaviours of his acceptable either.

skyecute said:

Yes it can. However, the amount it takes to lighten skin as previously dark as Michael's into the ghost-white shade and maintain it is illegal and dangerous. There are no shortages of enethical "doctors" nwilling to prescribe lightening creams and medications for the right amount of money.

The biggest hole with the vitiligo excuse is that the disease always ALWAYS strikes the person's skin in splotchy patches -never as an all-out bleached effect.

If MJ has vitiligo, it is probably self-inflicted. It is true that ordinary bleaching creams over the counter will never make you that light, plus if you go back in the sun you will automatically get dark again. MJ seems to be permanently "white". I think MJ was probably using the cream Benequin, which is prescribe for vitligo sufferers, which evens out their skin, it practically depigmentises the skin. However, if you use it in very high dosages without having the disease yourself then you can suffer from something quite similiar to vitiligo.

And it's true vitiligo happens in patches. MJ, skin on the other hand seems to have got lighter gradually in a very even way. He went from a kind of dark caramel complexion, to a light caramel, to high yellow to completely white..vitiligo doesn't work like that.

Actually, to tell you the truth, if he never got plastic surgery and acted "weird" for the public, he probably would have stopped selling records in the late 80s and early 90s. By now he'd be just some average joe who once had a successful recording career. He wouldn't be talked about except in Rolling Stone issues of the greatest albums in history and stuff like that. After Dangeorus he would've stopped recording and touring because of his lack or popularity.

So in the long run, I guess it would be good. Because he would be remember for his music only. But he would hardly be as big and as talked about as he is now if he remained "normal".

jonylawson said:

Actually, his parents are really, really proud of him. Despite all the low lifes in this world constantly giving him shit, he's remained a good person. He may have changed his appearance, but he kept his soul.

DarlingDiana said:

I think, to an extent, the eccentricities helped his career in the late 80s and early 90s. He stood out more than your average pop star, and besides, the music was still good. While by early 93 he wasnt as terribly hip as he was before, he was still adored by the public.

What really fucked him over was the allegations. After that, the eccentricities got creepier, the allegations got more shocking, and the music morphed into self-indulgence and then finally transformed into an ill-fated imitation of himself.

Sad really. If the allegations hadnt come to surface(or rather, if he didn't molest children), he'd be a true music icon along the lines of James Brown. And he is still a music icon, though he's the type of icon that you put along the lines of 'when they kicked ass long, long ago'

newskin69 said:

whoknows said:

I hope your laughing at MJ's parents and not me, because I was just relaying what Joe and Katherine say. That's not really my opinion.

Nah, if he was a normal entertainer, there probably wouldn't have been an 18 minute short film about urban disintegration centered around a whack song like 'Bad', or the whole Smooth Criminal video, complete with the weird atmospheric breakdown in the middle and everybody making monkey sounds in the background.

Only Michael Jackson would preach peace, love and harmony while transforming into Voltron to shoot the shit out of stormtroopers with his giant gattling guns and rocket launchers. Come together right now, bitches. Who's Bad!

spacedolphin said:

lol, so true. I love Moonwalker. So weird and wonderful.

skyecute said:

Mick Jagger has his own face, which I'm sure he has come to terms with. The rest of his body seems to be in excellent shape.
Does Michael even have a nose any more?
As for Ozzy, the poor man has Parkinson's disease. That's why he walks the way he does and has trouble talking. A lot of his swearing is from frustration caused by the disease.
Michael may have a psychological disorder that led to all the changes, and that deserves some sympathy, but he created a lot of his own problems.
There comes a point in your adult life where you have to stop blaming your parents and "bad childhood" and move on.

whatsgoingon said:

I think the risk of the melanin cells re-growing due to sunlight is why he's so keen on having an umbrella at all times on clear, sunny days.

shellyevon said:

Lots of people have had bad childhoods and worse parents, and yes, that will fuck you up. People that have had to grow up like that do deserve a bit more patience and understanding. But there's a point when you've got to learn to manage yourself -a person cannot be allowed to do whateverthefuck they please because they have the Unhappy Kid card, then cry that people are treating them unfairly when they tell them to quit being a freak.

Shit, can you imagine if the entire population of abuse cases and first-class shitty childhoods behaved like Michael? The world would come to a screeching halt.

whoknows said:

for real

He accepts that everything he does isn't going to be "popular", and he still continues to live his life and make his own decisions/mistakes. Who on this world thinks they can live up to the expectations of billions of people? No one is "normal".Mike can only do what's best for him and his family. No one on this earth can judge him in the end, anyway, so why does it matter so much?

scorp84 said:

No he doesn't. He's been trying to surpass the hype of thriller for the past 20 years.




Michael Jackson, that's who.

whatsgoingon said:

There are pictures though that VERY CLEARLY show such patches. Personally, I believe he has vitiligo and started bleaching his skin to have an even color. But what do I know.

And BTW, doesn't he have an umbrella around him all the time because vitiligo makes your skin overtly sensitive to the sun?

Imago said:

Come on??? The man had the biggest selling album of all time...He's never going to come anything remotely to those numbers...Record sales are not his problem...It's how he is perceived through his personal life and that fact that his album budgets are ridiculous...When you spend close to $30 million on producing one album (Invincible) and you only sell 2 million in the States and 6 to 8 million worldwide, that' a problem...To the record industry he is perceived as a money pit in terms of his spending habits...

In terms of if MJ staying normal, I think he would still have a healthy dose of respect from critics and the record buying public...But he was bound to tail off after Thriller...