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PrintableFiness said: the decline of real music happened when people who dont know shit about music ran the industry.as for church? im a firm believer that all music derived from Gospel and all a gift from God. but these days people forget that one principle and forget where they came from. i grew up in the days where an artist and the labels cared about the music. the money was secondary, we've lost so many teachers that now its all run amuck with music with no soul.
can i get a witness? U have one right here, player. Great post and accurate as hell. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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My dad, who was a great vocalist, sung gospel with his brothers. I have a serious collection of old gospel records that I wouldn't part with for nothing in the world. Everyone from Sam Cooke on down came straight from "chuch" (no "r") for the ones that don't know. That's one reason I dug Prince's earlier work so much because his screams were straight gospel. No one in r&b or pop was doing that in the early 80's. Just listen to the blantantly gospel (musically and vocally) "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore?" and "International Lover" to "Adore". P took it to church quite a bit. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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Deeper still, I believe that's why black folks had such a 'closeness" with Parliament/Funkadelic. George's concept was deeply rooted in gospel all the way through P-Funk's rein in the 70's. He understood the plight and the need for escapism in the black experience and black people bonded to P-Funk like fish to water. The landing of the Mothership was rooted in gospel overtones as were their backing vocals. That's the major difference between them and E,W & F. As beautiful as Earth was, they were on a more "universal" spiritual vibe whereas P-Funk was more akin to the Black Panthers. There was a difference. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: My dad, who was a great vocalist, sung gospel with his brothers. I have a serious collection of old gospel records that I wouldn't part with for nothing in the world. Everyone from Sam Cooke on down came straight from "chuch" (no "r") for the ones that don't know. That's one reason I dug Prince's earlier work so much because his screams were straight gospel. No one in r&b or pop was doing that in the early 80's. Just listen to the blantantly gospel (musically and vocally) "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore?" and "International Lover" to "Adore". P took it to church quite a bit.
 Man, a few days ago I was thinking of all the great R&B male vocalists like Cooke, Donny, Ruffin, Marvin , Stevie, Jackie Wilson, Luther and was indirectly thinking about the title of this thread the whole time, about the impact of gospel/spirituals/male images, etc.
Gaht dang the bruhz I listed could sang.  I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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blackguitaristz said: Deeper still, I believe that's why black folks had such a 'closeness" with Parliament/Funkadelic. George's concept was deeply rooted in gospel all the way through P-Funk's rein in the 70's. He understood the plight and the need for escapism in the black experience and black people bonded to P-Funk like fish to water. The landing of the Mothership was rooted in gospel overtones as were their backing vocals. That's the major difference between them and E,W & F. As beautiful as Earth was, they were on a more "universal" spiritual vibe whereas P-Funk was more akin to the Black Panthers. There was a difference.
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Adisa said: blackguitaristz said: My dad, who was a great vocalist, sung gospel with his brothers. I have a serious collection of old gospel records that I wouldn't part with for nothing in the world. Everyone from Sam Cooke on down came straight from "chuch" (no "r") for the ones that don't know. That's one reason I dug Prince's earlier work so much because his screams were straight gospel. No one in r&b or pop was doing that in the early 80's. Just listen to the blantantly gospel (musically and vocally) "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore?" and "International Lover" to "Adore". P took it to church quite a bit.
Man, a few days ago I was thinking of all the great R&B male vocalists like Cooke, Donny, Ruffin, Marvin , Stevie, Jackie Wilson, Luther and was indirectly thinking about the title of this thread the whole time, about the impact of gospel/spirituals/male images, etc.
Gaht dang the bruhz I listed could sang. Ain't that the truth. Just listening to David Ruffin on that youtube clip the other week sent chills through my body. As crazy as he looked with that damn wig on, there's no denying that the man could sang. Now that's what I call soulful singing.  | |
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blackguitaristz said: Finess said: the decline of real music happened when people who dont know shit about music ran the industry.as for church? im a firm believer that all music derived from Gospel and all a gift from God. but these days people forget that one principle and forget where they came from. i grew up in the days where an artist and the labels cared about the music. the money was secondary, we've lost so many teachers that now its all run amuck with music with no soul.
can i get a witness? U have one right here, player. Great post and accurate as hell. I have to disagree. There certainly are several music styles influenced by gospel music, but by no means all genres are influenced by it. Please keep in mind that Gospel (the genre that appeared no sooner than in 1940's) was itself heavily influenced by pop, blues and spirituals. As for the times when the labels cared about the music first - well, your view seems highly romanticized. Even in the early 20th century labels were first and foremost interested in profit-making (Believe it or not, even the small black independents inn the 1940's and 1950's). Yes, in those times music had a much more refined quality but this was due the fact that in the 1950's-80's to produce music you had to study music. What really destroyed music was the technology which arrived in the 1990's. Otherwise stated, PC's facilitated music-making to such extend that real instruments and musicians became obsolete. I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the dirt. | |
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blackguitaristz said: Deeper still, I believe that's why black folks had such a 'closeness" with Parliament/Funkadelic. George's concept was deeply rooted in gospel all the way through P-Funk's rein in the 70's. He understood the plight and the need for escapism in the black experience and black people bonded to P-Funk like fish to water. The landing of the Mothership was rooted in gospel overtones as were their backing vocals. That's the major difference between them and E,W & F. As beautiful as Earth was, they were on a more "universal" spiritual vibe whereas P-Funk was more akin to the Black Panthers. There was a difference.
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Let's get to it.
Mahalia Jackson... 
http://www.youtube.com/wa...ed&search= ...Joshua Fit the Battle of Jericho The camera cuts to the audience are a bit distracting on these next ones but joyous perfomances nonetheless 
http://www.youtube.com/wa...%20Jackson ...Shout All Over God's Heaven 
http://www.youtube.com/wa...%20Jackson ...Didn't It Rain =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Aretha Franklin, Billy Preston, Little Richard... 
http://www.youtube.com/wa...%20Preston ...Surely God Is Able tA  Tribal Disorder
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blackguitaristz said: Deeper still, I believe that's why black folks had such a 'closeness" with Parliament/Funkadelic. George's concept was deeply rooted in gospel all the way through P-Funk's rein in the 70's. He understood the plight and the need for escapism in the black experience and black people bonded to P-Funk like fish to water. The landing of the Mothership was rooted in gospel overtones as were their backing vocals. That's the major difference between them and E,W & F. As beautiful as Earth was, they were on a more "universal" spiritual vibe whereas P-Funk was more akin to the Black Panthers. There was a difference.
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Finess said: the decline of real music happened when people who dont know shit about music ran the industry.as for church? im a firm believer that all music derived from Gospel and all a gift from God. but these days people forget that one principle and forget where they came from. i grew up in the days where an artist and the labels cared about the music. the money was secondary, we've lost so many teachers that now its all run amuck with music with no soul.
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