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Reply #90 posted 07/30/06 6:22pm

COMPUTERBLUE19
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phunkdaddy said:

I say screw mtv. Janet's core fans should be bet anyway. I am not racist at
all but we were the ones who supported janet and her family from day one. B.E.T.
should be her audience first anyway. If mtv wants to join the party fine but if
not screw mtv. Her new cd doesn't have to sell 7 million copies to be a success. If it goes platinum or sell 2 million copies that is good enough.


Technically, Janet's vid will be on MTV since BET is owned by them.

The problem can be viewed as such:

The flagship of the Viacom entertainment empire (MTV) caters towards the 18-34 demographic with rap, new rock, etc (whatever is trendy).

Vh1 caters to crap: Think MTV lite

BET caters to a primarily African-American demographic in the 18-34 age range. Everything under the umbrella of "black music" is put on this channel. The videos will mimic MTV in the hip hop/rap department, but will veer towards those of us who grew up on JJ, MJ, and P (since they were the first major artists of the video era in their "genre"), so MTV has segmented the market to cater to different groups.

It's all business smile
"Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish."
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Reply #91 posted 07/30/06 6:50pm

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COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

phunkdaddy said:

I say screw mtv. Janet's core fans should be bet anyway. I am not racist at
all but we were the ones who supported janet and her family from day one. B.E.T.
should be her audience first anyway. If mtv wants to join the party fine but if
not screw mtv. Her new cd doesn't have to sell 7 million copies to be a success. If it goes platinum or sell 2 million copies that is good enough.


Technically, Janet's vid will be on MTV since BET is owned by them.

The problem can be viewed as such:

The flagship of the Viacom entertainment empire (MTV) caters towards the 18-34 demographic with rap, new rock, etc (whatever is trendy).

Vh1 caters to crap: Think MTV lite

BET caters to a primarily African-American demographic in the 18-34 age range. Everything under the umbrella of "black music" is put on this channel. The videos will mimic MTV in the hip hop/rap department, but will veer towards those of us who grew up on JJ, MJ, and P (since they were the first major artists of the video era in their "genre"), so MTV has segmented the market to cater to different groups.

It's all business smile


Then Janet should be on VH1.


razz
The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
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Reply #92 posted 07/30/06 7:15pm

GeminiMoon

The only people who really give a damn are Janet fans. I think Janet's best days are done with. Sorry, someone had to say it. She will never sell like she used to. Shes 40 and doing pop music too. Nope, she's done.
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Reply #93 posted 07/30/06 7:20pm

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GeminiMoon said:

The only people who really give a damn are Janet fans. I think Janet's best days are done with. Sorry, someone had to say it. She will never sell like she used to. Shes 40 and doing pop music too. Nope, she's done.

well thats true... but thats like it with ALL older artist... most artist who have been around for over 10 years never sell like they used to when they first came out... but i dont think she's done... as long as you have fans... enough to sell atleast a million or 2 million you will never be done... look at madonna... or cher
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Reply #94 posted 07/30/06 7:23pm

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lazycrockett said:

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:



Technically, Janet's vid will be on MTV since BET is owned by them.

The problem can be viewed as such:

The flagship of the Viacom entertainment empire (MTV) caters towards the 18-34 demographic with rap, new rock, etc (whatever is trendy).

Vh1 caters to crap: Think MTV lite

BET caters to a primarily African-American demographic in the 18-34 age range. Everything under the umbrella of "black music" is put on this channel. The videos will mimic MTV in the hip hop/rap department, but will veer towards those of us who grew up on JJ, MJ, and P (since they were the first major artists of the video era in their "genre"), so MTV has segmented the market to cater to different groups.

It's all business smile


Then Janet should be on VH1.


razz


lol
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Reply #95 posted 07/30/06 7:41pm

wonder505

TotalAlisa said:

GeminiMoon said:

The only people who really give a damn are Janet fans. I think Janet's best days are done with. Sorry, someone had to say it. She will never sell like she used to. Shes 40 and doing pop music too. Nope, she's done.

well thats true... but thats like it with ALL older artist... most artist who have been around for over 10 years never sell like they used to when they first came out... but i dont think she's done... as long as you have fans... enough to sell atleast a million or 2 million you will never be done... look at madonna... or cher


I don't think she's done either. I think her first single stinks, but I very much looking forward to her new CD.
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Reply #96 posted 07/30/06 7:56pm

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I remember seeing the "All Nite" video on MTV more than a few times (probably more than on BET, due to its sound). Not sure if MTV is pulling bullshit or if they are letting BET have it exclusively and then they are going to let it air later. If Janet doesn't do a show like TRL, then it's definatley some bullshit going on again. I don't really get what MTV is trying to pull...they are all Viacom!
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Reply #97 posted 07/30/06 8:07pm

CinisterCee

If it means anything, MTV Canada hasn't banned it.
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Reply #98 posted 07/30/06 8:08pm

CinisterCee

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If it means anything, MTV Canada hasn't banned it.


and I'm not talking about Muchmusic, I mean the Canadian broadcast of "MTV"
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Reply #99 posted 07/30/06 8:27pm

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Sick of the Jacksons getting bullshit all the time, but ive never been dissapointed with Janet more then this time, her video sucks its not even worth a second time viewing, i mean it was really half ass effort. When you go back to all for you, god even that sounds a hell lot better then all the shit she released this time.

I feel she went too safe this time.... neutral
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Reply #100 posted 07/31/06 4:10am

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COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:




This sounds about right. Pity. The Superbowl thing really was just a big ole mess. Still don't really understand the original intent behind pulling off the fabric. To reveal what? A lace covered boob? What's shocking about that? I wish she had of just performed in a Tshirt and jeans and got the hell off the stage. neutral


I agree... ^^^^

I was a Janet fan from Rhythm thru Velvet Rope. I so wish she and justin could have been advised against that stunt.

As far as MTV is concerned. They are a bunch of hypocrites anyway. They've made billions worldwide selling sex... Now they all of a sudden want to take the moral high ground?


The Superbowl stunt went wrong because of the reaction of the public. When Justin pulled Janet's fabric away it was MEANT to show her nipple. Remember, she had some type of "attachment" on her nipple. When they did an interview with the person who made the costume, they said that the fabric was meant to tear away and reveal the nipple. The costume was made to tear completely away with the "lace bra" attached. IF the public had not reacted the way that they did, it would have just been a "shocking" moment to promote an album. However, that's not the way that it turned out. This stunt was a very bad decision on Janet's part, but the reaction by the public and media is hypocritical and ridiculous. Janet KNEW what was going to happen when Justin pulled that fabric away, she just had no idea that the reaction would be this severe.
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Reply #101 posted 07/31/06 11:08am

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Mtv is only loyal to the bottom line.

There it is in a nutshell
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #102 posted 07/31/06 12:08pm

JasonStar

MTV=SHIT-TV
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Reply #103 posted 07/31/06 2:48pm

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JasonStar said:

MTV=SHIT-TV


Very true biggrin
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Reply #104 posted 08/01/06 10:17pm

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MTV seems to be fucking up on most fronts lately. I only recently heard about the 25th anniversary of the channel and they are downplaying it by not having many major specials talking about the history, leaving it up to the media. In fact, the programmer or whatever said they are looking to the future....yeah, more "Next" and "Date My Daugther"....I just saw some shit where people are kick boxing each other. They were so cutting edge and became such crap! I miss MTV...I miss music videos!
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