Harlepolis said:

Wasn't that on Oprah?

isthisdadawn said:

sorry for her fans , but seriously she hasn't "revolutionized" anything.

Its more than just palyin her videos... i think the orgers that claim it has to do with her age don't understand whats going on...Let me try to explain it...
when i get free time during the day on the job i always check MTV.COM just to read the latest news on our musical stars....Pre superbowl.... if janet tripped
you would find some information about her.... MTV ignores any information about Janet... the few tidbits that they have reported about Janet is usually in a story about anoter artist... like if you do a serach on Janet in the news Archive pre superbowl you'll see how much information was reported on Damita jo
and then after the incident you'll find verly little.... ok all of the major publications have ran an article about this upcoming release... the only info you'll find about 20 years old is within stories about other artists... Mariah is open to do an duet with Janet... or Nelly's family flipped when the heard that he was doing duet with Janet..... but they will report every thing that's happening with Michael...your telling me that these kids that watch MTV wanna hear about Michael living overseas or Michael has money problems??... they report any and everything about all Major artists except Janet... just check and see if you can find any info about Janet giving her fans the song (Weekend) as a gift on MTV and you'll see what i mean.

If she's a so great artist she doesn't need mtw to exist.

jn2 said:

I agree that MTV is biased in not playing Janet's video. However, this is something that needs to be said: Janet did NOT revolutionize music videos. Michael Jackson did that. Janet's videos are great, but she is not a revolutionary.Madonna is more of a revolutionary than Janet, and I am not a Madonna fan. I am just giving credit where credit is due. Another thing that I have been "holding back" is concerning this first MTV Icon "thing". We all know that the first MTV Icon SHOULD have been Michael Jackson, and then Madonna and THEN Janet. The MTV ICON award was a promotion piece for Janet's new album and that's all that it was. I am not saying that she didn't deserve to be a MTV Icon, she did. She just didn't deserve to be the FIRST ICON. I had to say something about this because I continue to read posts that say that MTV needs to play her new video because she was their FIRST MTV Icon. Let's not use THAT as the reason that MTV SHOULD play Janet's video. They should play her video because she deserves it just like Madonna, Michael or anyone else who has been a staple on MTV recently or over the years. Janet has earned her right to get her video played and MTV is showing their bias by not playing it.

Let's face it, the song's shit, she's past it and has coasted on using the family name for years. You wouldn't be able to hear her weak voice behind a paper bag.

skyecute said:

Madonna was asked, but refused to take part. So blame her for what you've interpreted as a slight by MTV.

As far as your claim that Janet didn't revolutionize anything, I would argue that Michael, Madonna, Janet and Cyndi Lauper are the four major MTV stars that revolutionized the format and created the foundations of much of what was to follow. Basically every video by one of those up-and-coming R&B starlets is a rip of an old Janet video, just as every bleached blond pop tart copies everything Madonna ever did.
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skyecute said:

Whatever happen to the MTV Michael Jackson Vanguard Award?

TonyVanDam said:

it's been renamed to the MTV Justin Timberlake Vanguard Award.

VoicesCarry said:

The only thing Janet revolutionized was through the Rhythmn Nation album, by using dance and funky beats to address social issues. Everything else outside of that was already revolutionized by Michael Jackson-videos and dance and sound - Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis and other Minneapolis stars, and concert performance - Madonna.

I'm not saying Janet doesn't deserve credit for her own signature moves or songs, but revolutionary, I don't think so.
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wonder505 said:

Janet's videos helped define MTV and provide the basis for many of today's videos by upcoming artists, so, yes, I think she definitely helped revolutionize the format (I was NOT addressing her music, merely her videos).

VoicesCarry said:

Over Michael Jackson???? Are you serious? And are you forgetting Prince was the first cross over video that MTV will even allow as a Black Artist, because they couldn't figure out which category to put him in.?

I ask again, are you seroius?
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wonder505 said:

Did I say "over" ANYONE? NO! But there is more to the music video than Michael Jackson. This is not a ranking. There is not only ONE influence. A lot of people worked hard to make great videos in the 80's that revolutionized the format, and that includes Michael, Janet, Madonna, and a hell of a lot of other people.
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VoicesCarry said:

You stated Janet's video help define MTV and I'm asking you more so than Michael Jackson?

wonder505 said:

NO ONE's videos have influenced the format more than Michael's. But how does that relate to the topic at hand? This discussion had NOTHING to do with a ranking of influences, only a listing. And Madonna, Janet, and many others belong on that list. I am not interested in ranking.

VoicesCarry said:

Alrighty. It's just that when you stated Janet defined MTV, I remember MTV's early days and Michael and Madonna was a powerful source with their videos back then, and to state Janet defined MTV with her videos. I don't know. I just don't see it. It's okay, we can disagree.
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wonder505 said:

No, here's what I said: "Janet's videos helped define MTV". I don't think anyone's going to deny that.
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lilgish said:

Seriously, if THAT were to happen in our lifetime, WE ROT!!!!

lilgish said:

lilgish said:

The MTV Michael Jackson Vanguard Award STILL exists. When the awards are listed they still use Michael's name. However, because of MTV's bias against MJ, they don't announce it as the "Michael Jackson" Vanguard Award anymore during the telecast.

skyecute said:

umm with all the charges that that name has been through would you still use it to promote an award to a mtv artist.

cmon no one wants to be associated with that name specially a company.

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COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

I agree... ^^^^

I was a Janet fan from Rhythm thru Velvet Rope. I so wish she and justin could have been advised against that stunt.

As far as MTV is concerned. They are a bunch of hypocrites anyway. They've made billions worldwide selling sex... Now they all of a sudden want to take the moral high ground?

lazycrockett said:

Ummmm, Michael is the REASON that there IS MTV. His videos set the standard basically for the format that we see in videos today. Michael has been FALSELY accused for things that he hasn't done. He also was acquitted by a jury of the most vicious of these false charges. Btw, I think you could ask Usher, Chris Brown, Ciara, Beyonce, Missy Elliot, Mary J. Blidge, Snoop, Nelly, and ANY other R&B/Hip-Hop Artist if THEY want to be associated with the "Michael Jackson Vanguard Award" and they would all say "Yes". These people not only support him, they all admit to being influenced by him. I would dare say that the majority of pop artists out there support him, also. MTV is the one who is deciding whether they want to use his name or not, just as they are deciding not to show Janet's video.

Janet's fans think she revolutionized every damn thing. Somebody called her new video "innovative" for Christ's sake.

Scorpion said:

Innovate? It should be called "Much Ado About Nothing".

As lame as it is, I do believe MTV should show her video though.

skyecute said:

From a public relations perspective, MTV doesn't want the MJ part attached to the Vanguard Award. It would be bad business sense (for MTV)and some artists (outside of just the names you mentioned/genre of music you mentioned)would decline wanting anything to do with the man, even if it is a statue/award.


You are correct that MJ is a pioneer in the field of music vids, but MTV is first and foremost a business and if Janet is not going to increase their bottom line, then so be it. Regardless of what JJ, MJ and others did for the station, they are only a cog in the machine.

Mtv is only loyal to the bottom line.

I say screw mtv. Janet's core fans should be bet anyway. I am not racist at
all but we were the ones who supported janet and her family from day one. B.E.T.
should be her audience first anyway. If mtv wants to join the party fine but if
not screw mtv. Her new cd doesn't have to sell 7 million copies to be a success. If it goes platinum or sell 2 million copies that is good enough.