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Printableisthisdadawn said: TonyVanDam said: Janet was the first ever MTV Icon winner. Is MTV applying that she's nothing now? That is why this all the more Unacceptable. An MTV icon not being played on MTV.. I really want to speak w/ that program director.. The people that really needs to get blasted by Janet-fans is ViaCON! They own MTV & BET. And they're the main ones sitting back like a bunch of candyasses & allowing this BS to go on like this. | |
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Ya know, to really piss 'em off...you have to hit them where it hurts. Call your cable company and tell them to remove their channels from your service. Don't go to their website at all. Watching their channels to see if they're playing her video and visiting their site to bitch about why they aren't only boosts their advertising revenue. | |
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isthisdadawn said: TonyVanDam said: Janet was the first ever MTV Icon winner. Is MTV applying that she's nothing now? That is why this all the more Unacceptable. An MTV icon not being played on MTV.. I really want to speak w/ that program director.. The reason MTV is not playing Janet has to do with the whole Superbowl backlash. Viacom, which owns CBS, is also the parent company of MTV,VH1,BET. The Superbowl fiasco (which MTV produced) provided a table for the conservative types to finally get MTV in their crosshairs and make MTV accountable on how they (MTV) "destroy the youth" with their images and lyrics (a conservative cry for 2 decades plus with a little element of truth). ANyways, the ass-chewing MTV/Viacom's president got before the FCC and COngress manifested itself into an unspoken Janet Jackson-ban. The whole icon thing means little or nothing to them (MTV). In the end, she'll sell her millions, but MTV is doing what they always have done: moving in another direction and forgetting the artists that built the station. "Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish." | |
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Scorpion said: Flooding MTV's forums is not gonna get you jacksh*t, they will just delete them all & ban your account. Ya'll did the same thing during the "Damita Jo" era & got no results. You are just wasting your time. Scorpian is an MTV employee.
Anyway, it's a good start. But there are so many things that fans could do. Enough fans uploading non-MTV protest video to YouTube and/or creating a protest ring would get the attention of MTV. If there's enough volume it becomes press worthy. So it's not a waste of time. Decide on what to do, and do it. Then call the press. Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality? - Stupify | |
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First of all does MTV even play videos anymore? Someone just did some research and viewed a week of MTV straight, they said MTV in that 7 day period which is a total of 168 hours, played a total of 9 hours of Videos (minus commercials), not counting TRL which is their 1 hour countdown show. I understand that your point is that MTV should play JANET because of Icon and all that, but they did not play any new Metallica Videos or Aerosmith who also were icons too. So really dont be surprised and dont bother protesting because you will get bullshit responses from management who really have no "control" over what is played at MTV, its all bought and sold just like radio, i thought we knew this already. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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COMPUTERBLUE1984 said: The reason MTV is not playing Janet has to do with the whole Superbowl backlash. Viacom, which owns CBS, is also the parent company of MTV,VH1,BET. The Superbowl fiasco (which MTV produced) provided a table for the conservative types to finally get MTV in their crosshairs and make MTV accountable on how they (MTV) "destroy the youth" with their images and lyrics (a conservative cry for 2 decades plus with a little element of truth). ANyways, the ass-chewing MTV/Viacom's president got before the FCC and COngress manifested itself into an unspoken Janet Jackson-ban. The whole icon thing means little or nothing to them (MTV). In the end, she'll sell her millions, but MTV is doing what they always have done: moving in another direction and forgetting the artists that built the station. This sounds about right. Pity. The Superbowl thing really was just a big ole mess. Still don't really understand the original intent behind pulling off the fabric. To reveal what? A lace covered boob? What's shocking about that? I wish she had of just performed in a Tshirt and jeans and got the hell off the stage. 
In other news, between reality shows, Real World/Road Rules franchise, shows catering to those who want to be anyone other than who they are, and making fake 'bands' I didn't know MTV still showed videos at all. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Looks like my long unused account at mtv.com has finally came to a good use... [Edited 7/28/06 10:37am] | |
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COMPUTERBLUE1984 said: isthisdadawn said: That is why this all the more Unacceptable. An MTV icon not being played on MTV.. I really want to speak w/ that program director.. The reason MTV is not playing Janet has to do with the whole Superbowl backlash. Viacom, which owns CBS, is also the parent company of MTV,VH1,BET. The Superbowl fiasco (which MTV produced) provided a table for the conservative types to finally get MTV in their crosshairs and make MTV accountable on how they (MTV) "destroy the youth" with their images and lyrics (a conservative cry for 2 decades plus with a little element of truth). ANyways, the ass-chewing MTV/Viacom's president got before the FCC and COngress manifested itself into an unspoken Janet Jackson-ban. The whole icon thing means little or nothing to them (MTV). In the end, she'll sell her millions, but MTV is doing what they always have done: moving in another direction and forgetting the artists that built the station. In other words: Remember Madonna always but f*** Michael, Prince, & Janet if OR when they screw up! How culturally bia of them. | |
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TonyVanDam said: COMPUTERBLUE1984 said: The reason MTV is not playing Janet has to do with the whole Superbowl backlash. Viacom, which owns CBS, is also the parent company of MTV,VH1,BET. The Superbowl fiasco (which MTV produced) provided a table for the conservative types to finally get MTV in their crosshairs and make MTV accountable on how they (MTV) "destroy the youth" with their images and lyrics (a conservative cry for 2 decades plus with a little element of truth). ANyways, the ass-chewing MTV/Viacom's president got before the FCC and COngress manifested itself into an unspoken Janet Jackson-ban. The whole icon thing means little or nothing to them (MTV). In the end, she'll sell her millions, but MTV is doing what they always have done: moving in another direction and forgetting the artists that built the station. In other words: Remember Madonna always but f*** Michael, Prince, & Janet if OR when they screw up! How culturally bia of them. Now that sounds like MTV to me. You are totally on point and it's pure bullshit. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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lastdecember said: First of all does MTV even play videos anymore? Someone just did some research and viewed a week of MTV straight, they said MTV in that 7 day period which is a total of 168 hours, played a total of 9 hours of Videos (minus commercials), not counting TRL which is their 1 hour countdown show. I understand that your point is that MTV should play JANET because of Icon and all that, but they did not play any new Metallica Videos or Aerosmith who also were icons too. So really dont be surprised and dont bother protesting because you will get bullshit responses from management who really have no "control" over what is played at MTV, its all bought and sold just like radio, i thought we knew this already.
I don't buy that! Because MTV2 is showing music videos and still no new Janet videos. So what Viacom (read: ViaCON) excuse now? And BTW, new Aerosmith & Matallica videos would be play on VH-1 first between 2am-9am. So would Janet's video ever get play on VH-1? | |
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TonyVanDam said: COMPUTERBLUE1984 said: The reason MTV is not playing Janet has to do with the whole Superbowl backlash. Viacom, which owns CBS, is also the parent company of MTV,VH1,BET. The Superbowl fiasco (which MTV produced) provided a table for the conservative types to finally get MTV in their crosshairs and make MTV accountable on how they (MTV) "destroy the youth" with their images and lyrics (a conservative cry for 2 decades plus with a little element of truth). ANyways, the ass-chewing MTV/Viacom's president got before the FCC and COngress manifested itself into an unspoken Janet Jackson-ban. The whole icon thing means little or nothing to them (MTV). In the end, she'll sell her millions, but MTV is doing what they always have done: moving in another direction and forgetting the artists that built the station. In other words: Remember Madonna always but f*** Michael, Prince, & Janet if OR when they screw up! How culturally bia of them. co-sign | |
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purplecam said: TonyVanDam said: In other words: Remember Madonna always but f*** Michael, Prince, & Janet if OR when they screw up! How culturally bia of them. Now that sounds like MTV to me. You are totally on point and it's pure bullshit. I am not a Janet fan, but hearing of these events in nothing really surprising... MTV is rewriting its history. Madonna is constantly recognized for her "art", but P, MJ, Janet are not. They inspired much of the current crop of R&B music, but kids now won't know that. Madonna will always be culturally relevant while JJ, MJ, & P, will be footnotes in the channel's history. What will ultimately happen is they may relent to pressure, but by that time Janet's song would be making a downward descent on the charts. MTV is youth obsessed, so on another level, the move in this direction makes sense (for MTV to concentrate on the next big thing), but if you are gonna show one 40+ year old 80's star, why not show them all? "Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish." | |
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I really feel that we are placing too much of a dependance on MTV, when their relevance has really faded. Now trust me i understand the frustration, if u remember my post recently about what a UNIVERSAL exec told me about releasing the latest a-ha CD here in the USA, since it sold a million worldwide already and a-ha has influenced everyone from Coldplay to U2. That exec told me straight out that even though a-ha was signed to UNIVERSAL worldwide, they wont put the cd out in the US, because 1. They are from the 80's and they dont want any 80's artists new music only compilations 2. The Band's sound is different then when they first started and the members are over 40, they cant market a 40+ band. 3. They wont sell 100,000 first week so its not worth the effort.
Now how scary is that, that a Label Exec is talking like that. So now the Janet situation, well i dont think its a SuperBowl backlash. As for MTV2 they are going in the same direction as MTV, not playing videos. Right now to me the only place that plays Videos are IMF, (iternational music feed channel) all vids all day all places in the world and HTV (the latin music channel) plays straight videos no VJ's hardly any commercials. This is why it kills me that artists still make Videos, its such a waste, it does not help commercially unless you are a new artist. I do understand the frustration but MTV gave up long ago on the artists that MADE THEM, and why does everyone forget DURAN DURAN in their quotes, they are the ones that made VIDEOS an art form, back when it mattered. To further my quote about the lack of relevance MTV has anymore and how its viewing has dropped. THis past month an award show called PREMIOS JUVENTUD 2006 aired on the UNIVISION latin network, this show is mainly like the MTV Movie and Music Awards. This shows viewing audience exceeded the last 2 MTV MUSIC AWARDS and MOVIE awards combined! [Edited 7/28/06 11:03am] "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: I really feel that we are placing too much of a dependance on MTV, when their relevance has really faded. Now trust me i understand the frustration, if u remember my post recently about what a UNIVERSAL exec told me about releasing the latest a-ha CD here in the USA, since it sold a million worldwide already and a-ha has influenced everyone from Coldplay to U2. That exec told me straight out that even though a-ha was signed to UNIVERSAL worldwide, they wont put the cd out in the US, because 1. They are from the 80's and they dont want any 80's artists new music only compilations 2. The Band's sound is different then when they first started and the members are over 40, they cant market a 40+ band. 3. They wont sell 100,000 first week so its not worth the effort.
Now how scary is that, that a Label Exec is talking like that. So now the Janet situation, well i dont think its a SuperBowl backlash. As for MTV2 they are going in the same direction as MTV, not playing videos. Right now to me the only place that plays Videos are IMF, (iternational music feed channel) all vids all day all places in the world and HTV (the latin music channel) plays straight videos no VJ's hardly any commercials. This is why it kills me that artists still make Videos, its such a waste, it does not help commercially unless you are a new artist. I do understand the frustration but MTV gave up long ago on the artists that MADE THEM, and why does everyone forget DURAN DURAN in their quotes, they are the ones that made VIDEOS an art form, back when it mattered. To further my quote about the lack of relevance MTV has anymore and how its viewing has dropped. THis past month an award show called PREMIOS JUVENTUD 2006 aired on the UNIVISION latin network, this show is mainly like the MTV Movie and Music Awards. This shows viewing audience exceeded the last 2 MTV MUSIC AWARDS and MOVIE awards combined! [Edited 7/28/06 11:03am] Excellent points, but you really don't believe that the SB backlash has a little to do with it? You may be right. It may be a combo of the Superbowl thing and her age when viewed together that may account for JJ's disappearance. I believe (IMO), however, that the Superbowl thing has to weigh into the equation. "Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish." | |
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COMPUTERBLUE1984 said: lastdecember said: I really feel that we are placing too much of a dependance on MTV, when their relevance has really faded. Now trust me i understand the frustration, if u remember my post recently about what a UNIVERSAL exec told me about releasing the latest a-ha CD here in the USA, since it sold a million worldwide already and a-ha has influenced everyone from Coldplay to U2. That exec told me straight out that even though a-ha was signed to UNIVERSAL worldwide, they wont put the cd out in the US, because 1. They are from the 80's and they dont want any 80's artists new music only compilations 2. The Band's sound is different then when they first started and the members are over 40, they cant market a 40+ band. 3. They wont sell 100,000 first week so its not worth the effort.
Now how scary is that, that a Label Exec is talking like that. So now the Janet situation, well i dont think its a SuperBowl backlash. As for MTV2 they are going in the same direction as MTV, not playing videos. Right now to me the only place that plays Videos are IMF, (iternational music feed channel) all vids all day all places in the world and HTV (the latin music channel) plays straight videos no VJ's hardly any commercials. This is why it kills me that artists still make Videos, its such a waste, it does not help commercially unless you are a new artist. I do understand the frustration but MTV gave up long ago on the artists that MADE THEM, and why does everyone forget DURAN DURAN in their quotes, they are the ones that made VIDEOS an art form, back when it mattered. To further my quote about the lack of relevance MTV has anymore and how its viewing has dropped. THis past month an award show called PREMIOS JUVENTUD 2006 aired on the UNIVISION latin network, this show is mainly like the MTV Movie and Music Awards. This shows viewing audience exceeded the last 2 MTV MUSIC AWARDS and MOVIE awards combined! [Edited 7/28/06 11:03am] Excellent points, but you really don't believe that the SB backlash has a little to do with it? You may be right. It may be a combo of the Superbowl thing and her age when viewed together that may account for JJ's disappearance. I believe (IMO), however, that the Superbowl thing has to weigh into the equation. Well if it really is still from that then it was her own doing. I just really dont understand why its so important for MTV play, i understand the frustration be we tend to forget that JANET fans are going to buy the CD regardless they dont need a Video or to hear a clip, I mean she has her following that will buy it regardless like so many other artists do (prince, madonna etc) why is play on MTV so important? Do we really need the 15 year old girl watching CHEYENNE buying Janets new CD, who cares about that crap. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Can't the fans vote for it on TRL? | |
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Remember when Rick James hammered MTV as a racist TV network back in the 80's?
LOL how ironic when time proves that out. | |
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lastdecember said: COMPUTERBLUE1984 said: Excellent points, but you really don't believe that the SB backlash has a little to do with it? You may be right. It may be a combo of the Superbowl thing and her age when viewed together that may account for JJ's disappearance. I believe (IMO), however, that the Superbowl thing has to weigh into the equation. Well if it really is still from that then it was her own doing. I just really dont understand why its so important for MTV play, i understand the frustration be we tend to forget that JANET fans are going to buy the CD regardless they dont need a Video or to hear a clip, I mean she has her following that will buy it regardless like so many other artists do (prince, madonna etc) why is play on MTV so important? Do we really need the 15 year old girl watching CHEYENNE buying Janets new CD, who cares about that crap. You are right. As I said, I am not a Janet fan, but I guess the principle of the matter is what is bothersome. They are a music venue (the most well known) and in theory treat all artist with equal care. I don't know of the other music channels since I am never home, but I look at music as a democracy with equal representation for all artists. "Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish." | |
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doesn't MTV own BET nowdays? | |
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Tom said: doesn't MTV own BET nowdays?
yep..all under the Viacom umbrella "Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish." | |
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lilgish said: Can't the fans vote for it on TRL?
They could if Janet was on the polls. | |
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Harlepolis said: Remember when Rick James hammered MTV as a racist TV network back in the 80's?
LOL how ironic when time proves that out. I also remember most of the first black music videos on MTV. And Rick James wasn't one of them. | |
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TonyVanDam said: lilgish said: Can't the fans vote for it on TRL?
They could if Janet was on the polls. They can also type in the artist and video if the clip isn't in the list of videos to vote for... | |
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isthisdadawn said: Just read this over on the Janet-xone forums..
I think we have to face some facts here. MTV appeals to a very young age group. To alot of them, Janet Jackson is considered their Mom and Dads music. And don't worry. I got a strong feeling that there will be no more new Madonna videos getting any more airtime either.JANET fans shut down the mtv forums for a few hours due to a backlash of not playing her new video "Call On Me"... Aired on BET yesterday and as of yet MTV has refused to play it. I dont about y'all but this is PLAIN OL' disrespect at it's rawest!! This is the same woman who revolutionized the video w/ Rhythm Nation, The Pleasure Principle, If, Runaway..and on and on. For more then 20yrs..and this is the thanks she gets. I say we swarm there boards and shut that shit down for as long as possible!!! | |
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P, will be footnotes in the channel's history.
as it should b...his videos r worthless.. ...Your coochie gonna swell up and fall apart... | |
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ThePunisher said: isthisdadawn said: Just read this over on the Janet-xone forums..
I think we have to face some facts here. MTV appeals to a very young age group. To alot of them, Janet Jackson is considered their Mom and Dads music. And don't worry. I got a strong feeling that there will be no more new Madonna videos getting any more airtime either.JANET fans shut down the mtv forums for a few hours due to a backlash of not playing her new video "Call On Me"... Aired on BET yesterday and as of yet MTV has refused to play it. I dont about y'all but this is PLAIN OL' disrespect at it's rawest!! This is the same woman who revolutionized the video w/ Rhythm Nation, The Pleasure Principle, If, Runaway..and on and on. For more then 20yrs..and this is the thanks she gets. I say we swarm there boards and shut that shit down for as long as possible!!! I'll believe that when I don't see another Madonna video somewhere on MTV. | |
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I still dont understand why its important to be played on MTV. I mean the days of MTV are over, MTV is considered a joke today, everytime i hear about MTV is in a negative put-down way, rightly so. Does Janet getting played on MTV going to make or break the project? No, to me what will make or break it, is the quality of music, sure it would be nice to get video play but who cares, there are so many outlets for video these days. U can get the video from YouTube, im sure u can download it from her site, im sure when the CD comes out there will be some bonus dvd or something. If its a matter of pride, because Madonna gets play and Janet doesnt, well honestly sales wise i think both are at a point if they can sell to their base fans worldwide, they are all right. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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anon said: Scorpion said: Flooding MTV's forums is not gonna get you jacksh*t, they will just delete them all & ban your account. Ya'll did the same thing during the "Damita Jo" era & got no results. You are just wasting your time. Scorpian is an MTV employee.THAT'S RIGHT!!!  love is a fate resigned memories mar my mind love it is a fate resigned Over futile odds and laughed at by the Gods and now the final frame Love is a losing game |
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mtv is a joke
does anyone even watch it?? most people watch videos on youtube now, fuck mtv | |
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TonyVanDam said: Harlepolis said: Remember when Rick James hammered MTV as a racist TV network back in the 80's?
LOL how ironic when time proves that out. I also remember most of the first black music videos on MTV. And Rick James wasn't one of them. This reminds me of the racist white fella who was confronted about his racism and said "no I'm not, I got alot of black friends" 
MTV are always targeting the safe RnB shit. When it gets too deep for their audience's "mentality" they throw it to the so-called "urban market". | |
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