That's the name of the "special" they're airing on VH1 Sunday 9pm.

Exclusive interviews with people/celebs who will b giving their views on whether Michael really wants the black artist's rights 2 improve within the music industry, or whether it's just a ploy 2 boost the sales of his "Invincible" cd.

Funny, I don't remember VH1 doing anything remotely close 2 this 4 Prince when he was fighting with Warner Bros.

Ur thoughts?

Oh, the date's Sunday, August 4th, 9pm, pacific time.

June7 said:

You really didn't think Prince was more influential the press than MJ, did you? While also shy, MJ is not a total reclusive misanthrope like Prince can be. Furthermore, despite any misgivings, MJ knows the biz and has the resources to work the press. Got doubts? Why is he referred to as "King of Pop"? A title he pretty much created out of thin air?

I don't think anyone knows anymore.

June7 said:

Well, because Michael has never been the outsider that Prince doesn't mind being. Mike is all about the mainstream, and that's been the case since the beginning of his career. If it's a career move that's not contrived hype, why would Mike want anything to do with it? For the media Mike represents mainstream pop music. To insist on being called "The King Of Pop" (a safe as milk title to begin with), and have video stations adhere to it is one way to get your point across.

MJ is always going to generate more press buzz than Prince. MJ learned how to play the show biz game at a young age and he's been manipulating the media and planting stories in the tabloids for years.

MJ's sensationalist ploy of accusing Tommy Mottolla of racism has gotten him a lot of attention, but I don't think that a majority of blacks are going to rally around MJ's cause. The whole thing just seems like it's not about black artists' rights. It's about MJ and his fight with Tommy M.

MJ did a lot to disassociate himself from being black. There's the way that his skin and facial features completely changed from African to his idea of Caucasian. He also married not one but two white women, ensuring that his offspring would not be too dark.

I think a majority of black people will not support MJ in this effort because he never cared about any black issues until he needed support in his fight with Sony.

PFunkjazz said:

I think it should Be interesting.like Rev.Al Sharpton said when a Guy Sells as Many Albums as MJ&Questions the Practices it says alot about the Business.while I always Felt the title "King OF Pop" Limited MJ as a Artist I also Champion the way He made the Industry Call Him that.that to Me was a Very Black Move.Why? Because a Brother can be called King of Soul or God-Father But Heaven Forbid to say you are on Top of Pop which Means White in the Business??MJ knows alot abotu the Business than he is Given Credit for.He plays all Soft&Tender on TV but when the Camera's aren't Rolling Dude is in the Back making all kinds of Deals.I remember Reading where Maurice Gibb said that MJ on Tv&MJ on the Phone when it comes to business is two Different People&the Guy's Side Business People will never Be Mistaken from Coming out of "Neverland"?

[/quote]I think it should Be interesting.like Rev.Al Sharpton said when a Guy Sells as Many Albums as MJ&Questions the Practices it says alot about the Business.while I always Felt the title "King OF Pop" Limited MJ as a Artist I also Champion the way He made the Industry Call Him that.that to Me was a Very Black Move.Why? Because a Brother can be called King of Soul or God-Father But Heaven Forbid to say you are on Top of Pop which Means White in the Business??MJ knows alot abotu the Business than he is Given Credit for.He plays all Soft&Tender on TV but when the Camera's aren't Rolling Dude is in the Back making all kinds of Deals.I remember Reading where Maurice Gibb said that MJ on Tv&MJ on the Phone when it comes to business is two Different People&the Guy's Side Business People will never Be Mistaken from Coming out of "Neverland"?[/quote]


i think u are correct on mj.

i tried to find some behind the scenes footage of him when he is talking to directors, etc. he seems very serious about getting the details right. he does fool a lot of people acting naive and innocent on the tele and phone interviews.

what other articles u read on him that discusses his buisness stuff???

i read his autobiography a few months ago and mj made it DAMN CLEAR how important business is. and how he saw his father not get cheated out of deals, and money,etc.

subyduby said:

I think it should Be interesting.like Rev.Al Sharpton said when a Guy Sells as Many Albums as MJ&Questions the Practices it says alot about the Business.while I always Felt the title "King OF Pop" Limited MJ as a Artist I also Champion the way He made the Industry Call Him that.that to Me was a Very Black Move.Why? Because a Brother can be called King of Soul or God-Father But Heaven Forbid to say you are on Top of Pop which Means White in the Business??MJ knows alot abotu the Business than he is Given Credit for.He plays all Soft&Tender on TV but when the Camera's aren't Rolling Dude is in the Back making all kinds of Deals.I remember Reading where Maurice Gibb said that MJ on Tv&MJ on the Phone when it comes to business is two Different People&the Guy's Side Business People will never Be Mistaken from Coming out of "Neverland"?[/quote]


i think u are correct on mj.

i tried to find some behind the scenes footage of him when he is talking to directors, etc. he seems very serious about getting the details right. he does fool a lot of people acting naive and innocent on the tele and phone interviews.

what other articles u read on him that discusses his buisness stuff???

i read his autobiography a few months ago and mj made it DAMN CLEAR how important business is. and how he saw his father not get cheated out of deals, and money,etc.[/quote]other Books that mention it are "The Magic&Maddness", a Book on Ebony Magazine Founder John.H.Johnson talks about How MJ got Advice from him on His Beatles Catelog.the Book "HitMen" Mentions Info on MJ&His Business Savvy&Dealings.Quincy Jones has mentioned it many times.Quincy Jones's Yellow Brick Road Publishing is very Successful&they share that in Common as well the Publishing Game.Quincy probably helped MJ understand the Importance of Publishing.In Barry White's AutoBio Book from two years back He Mentioned Showing MJ certain other aspects within the Business.

other Books that mention it are "The Magic&Maddness", a Book on Ebony Magazine Founder John.H.Johnson talks about How MJ got Advice from him on His Beatles Catelog.the Book "HitMen" Mentions Info on MJ&His Business Savvy&Dealings.Quincy Jones has mentioned it many times.Quincy Jones's Yellow Brick Road Publishing is very Successful&they share that in Common as well the Publishing Game.Quincy probably helped MJ understand the Importance of Publishing.In Barry White's AutoBio Book from two years back He Mentioned Showing MJ certain other aspects within the Business.[/quote]


thank-you so much.

do u know of any other artists including prince and how they did business?

subyduby said:

thank-you so much.

do u know of any other artists including prince and how they did business?[/quote]anytime.there are a ton of Artists that I Have Followed&Read on.but the Music Busines is a Hustler's Paradise&there are many ways to Make it but very few are left holding anything.the Biz to me is like the Game Monopoly: alot of Dice rolling&trips around the Block.

June7 said:

who cares if they didnt do anything for prince,

anyways -michael jackson the elderly white woman - eheh

it will come on Sunday at 10 p.m. eastern.

i really feel mj should do what he can to expose the recording industry. he's been in the buisness for decades and have known how many ppl.'s careers were ended, he's perfect for this job. he shouldn't be so cute and kind just very forward.

Well...I watched it.

Hmmm, it was short. Only 30 minutes...they interviewed Al Sharpton (yawn), Rodney Jerkins (yawn), and a Sony exec (not Tommy, yawn).

I left knowing as much as I knew going in. I learned nothing new. You get better info here at the org regarding Michael!

I expected more from VH1.

June7 said:

I know June 7. I watched it too. No new revelations. Just stuff you already knew. This is a problem I have with a lot of music oriented documentary-specials now-a-days. VH-1 could have condensed this down to 30 minutes or better yet a 15 minute segment.

the documnet went to rev. al sharpton and rodney jerkins. they didn't go to sony or mr. motolla.

BTW - 4 those of u who missed it, it'll b rebroadcast 2nite (Aug. 5, 2002) at 8:30 pm, pacific time.

Michael Jackson started out as a poor black boy and ended up as a rich white woman.

Long live the American Dream!

giotto said:

! he still grabs onto his crotch and there is a bulge!!! so he is a man, nm how his face looks like.

Michael Jackson's crotch is non-existent. You've been fooled by a plastic appendage!

I just want to add this reply...

My nephew has cerebral palsey...
and was chosen for a once in a lifetime "MAKE A WISH FOUNDATION" for a trip of a lifetime.

Back in the 80's Jeremy got to go to Disney World or LAND in orlando Florida... Michael Jackson was in the park at the time. He noticed Jeremy and Rose...whom...upon noticing Jeremy came over...picked him up and spoke to jeremy so very kindly and humble...

I got to observe Michael Jackson from a distance...he didnt even know I was watching "I have a high talent of observing unnoticed". I knew Michael Jackson was being real.

So for people who hear about media this and that, remember even when U were in high school people started rumors...PEOPLE ARE invertently ILL in being MEEN to each other if they have nothing to do but cause chaos...SOME PEOPLE DO live for chaos...I personally saw Michael Jackson (as a man) being very nice to handicapped beautiful boy my nephew)) So HATS OFF TO MR. MICHAEL JACKSON for allowing me to C him as he is (a very nice man)))...without the MEDIA or tons of people around...

THANK U...and I hope U all turn your tv's off and notice that TV thrives off of chaos...otherwise why have RATINGS?

to compete = RATE (we are created equally in GOD's eyes)

THANK U

Much love

Singmia~Arjuna


And for those who make fun of this thread...B thankful U dont have any health problems 2 day becuz there are those who do who need your support 2...in LOVE...

giotto said:

then why don't he have breats implants?!

Thank u SingMia, 4 that beautiful story.

June7 said:

You AIn't Even Lying.but it was Very One-Sided for the Company&Industry types.Wendy Williams is a Lucky Trick at best to even be on the Radio.The Guy said it best near the End:A Broke Cat doesn't have 5 Law-Suits out there.it's a Stand-Off on that Catelog Pure&Simple.but if MJ Signs Elsewhere He will Leave with 50% Atv&50% Sony Publishing&His Masters.so you know Sony&Tommy Have to do something because they aren't looking to Bright.Tommy&them Look Really Dumb for even mentioning all the Money they have Claimed to Have Spent on "Invincible".10 out of 9 the Company is Gonna Go Hard-Core Payola for that Project not Sabotage it?? VH1 needed a Cornel West,&Michael Eric Dyson to Answer Who MJ is? also Nelson George could as well.Nelson broke it down of how Sony Made 750 Million off Thriller&Bad Alone&MJ got 150 Million tops from them.

mistermaxxx said:[quote]

June7 said:

where can i read anything on the ppl. u mention and how they broke down how mj only makde $150 million from it?!

mistermaxxx said:

What Up Orgers???,

Yes...people don't suit, unless you got $$$. I still think that Mike gets like a dollar or two for every record that sells, so if INVINCIBLEsold two million copies, he gets 2 millions. Plus a few years ago, it was reported that Mike grossed 10 million off his back catalogue alone. So Mike's got some loot. Plus, he probably got some other sound investments that people don't know about.