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Choose: Funk or Hip Hop/Rap?!?! ~*~
Seems like in these last few years in popular music Funk has been categorized as a faded, retro, old school clowny type of music form. It's been totally and tragically confused with Hip Hop or Rap. What's this Funk Master Flash or whatever he calls himself...pick up a bass guitar and dance! So What happened? Where did it all go wrong? There were FAKE FUNK groups back in the day, like Full Force, etc., but ever since Rap and Hip Hop has influenced everything so much, FUNK and I mean REAL FUNK, has been dissed and forgotten and used only for comedic/clown purposes. You know, like those Nike commercials where they've recreated a Mothership show with George and Snoop Doggy Dogg (Fake Funker)! It's like Funk has been stereotyped as a 70's ridiculous, extravagant almost clown like farse of over the top "dogs" woofing about! But it' much more than that! Today's supposedly FUNKY artists like, Me'Shelle or Lenny Kravitz are more skanky styled...you know denim, dressin' like bums, etc. an quite frankly, depressing and boring. Plus they just have to put some hip hop elements in their music (okay well mayb not Lenny) so as to get attention from the audience. I know, Me'Shelle's pretty good and deserves props, but...I don't know... At least Macy Gray's tried to bring the FUNK back! And Prince with this last tour has kept it cool and alive as well with his new killer band...TRUE FUNK! But kids now and people in general think Funk is a joke better left for the "Old Skool" radio shows, or radio station revues at your local county fair concerts...sad. How can we teach the kids about what Funk really is? What can we do teach the babies to keep REAL FUNK, that Funk spirit alive? Should we create a "True Funk Coalition"? A "Real Funk Appreciation" organization? The "Funk Peservation" support groups? Funk ain't just Big Afros, Platform Shoes, or "Dogzzz", or Pimps. It's musicianship, sweat, sex, love, the essence of a beat, it's slick, clever, it's James Brown in '66, bass guitars, good chicken scratch guitars, fearlessness, daringness, freakiness, Camille and the Linn, The Concept Of The One! Prince has it still, that's why I love his music AND LOOK! It's what Funk is suppose to be TODAY! In 1987, Camille and the Black Album (A.K.A The Funk Bible - hear track nine), the movie for Sign O The Times, THAT was REAL FUNK taken to some other level then the stereotypes fed to the masses. Choose your passion: tennis shoes and baseball caps, OR peach and black, teal blue overcoat, heart attack! Keep FUNK alive children! ~*~ Edited to preserve FUNK! [This message was edited Sun Aug 4 23:02:50 PDT 2002 by FlyingCloudPassenger] | |
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Preach it Brother,Anyways hear it goes Let's all Play 1 Nation Under A Groove. Parliament Funkadelic and Dr. Funkenstein for our Youngins. Bet is where it is At! We must definitely pledge Allegience to the Time! We must GET WILD! Give Us the Funk...We WANT THE FUNK. We are going to Rip the Roof Of of The MutherSucker. And Scream Atomic Dog...Little Doggies as we Play in the Sunshine with our little Toys. Yerf, yerf! Sis Boom Bam! | |
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Funk Rules Period.but the Powers that Be back in the day scaled back the Multi Bands&added more Synths&Programming.it was Cheaper to Have One-Man Bands as to Bands.it cheapens with each passing Era&you get what the Powers that Be want you to have.Funk Bands are As Great IMHO as any other Style of Player Period.you get many Elements all within Funk.put it like this:If U2 Had to Play up after Earth,Wind&Fire left the stage with there Original Line-Up U2 would be back in Ireland Washing Dishes.these Rappers are Being Pimped to Fake the Funk.Rap is the Real Buffon.alot of the Cats Can't Rap many Have Ghost Writers&Part-Time Tatoo Logo Labels they yell all through a Song.Give me the Funk Anyday. mistermaxxx | |
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FlyingCloudPassenger said: ~*~
Full Force pulled a Jam&Lewis if you remember? they had Lisa-Lisa&Cult Jam while Jam&Lewis had Janet Jackson.Full Force had Hits on Samantha Fox,James Brown,Cheryl "Pepsi" Riley among others.they also had "New Jack Swing" Elements in there Music right at the same time as Teddy Riley.they were doing what Jam&Lewis were doing for a while before they Cooled off&Re-Emerged with Writing&Producing for Backstreet Boys,N-Synch,etc...Seems like in these last few years in popular music Funk has been categorized as a faded, retro, old school clowny type of music form. It's been totally and tragically confused with Hip Hop or Rap. What's this Funk Master Flash or whatever he calls himself...pick up a bass guitar and dance! So What happened? Where did it all go wrong? There were FAKE FUNK groups back in the day, like Full Force, etc., but ever since Rap and Hip Hop has influenced everything so much, FUNK and I mean REAL FUNK, has been dissed and forgotten and used only for comedic/clown purposes. You know, like those Nike commercials where they've recreated a Mothership show with George and Snoop Doggy Dogg (Fake Funker)! It's like Funk has been stereotyped as a 70's ridiculous, extravagant almost clown like farse of over the top "dogs" woofing about! But it' much more than that! Today's supposedly FUNKY artists like, Me'Shelle or Lenny Kravitz are more skanky styled...you know denim, dressin' like bums, etc. an quite frankly, depressing and boring. Plus they just have to put some hip hop elements in their music (okay well mayb not Lenny) so as to get attention from the audience. I know, Me'Shelle's pretty good and deserves props, but...I don't know... At least Macy Gray's tried to bring the FUNK back! And Prince with this last tour has kept it cool and alive as well with his new killer band...TRUE FUNK! But kids now and people in general think Funk is a joke better left for the "Old Skool" radio shows, or radio station revues at your local county fair concerts...sad. How can we teach the kids about what Funk really is? What can we do teach the babies to keep REAL FUNK, that Funk spirit alive? Should we create a "True Funk Coalition"? A "Real Funk Appreciation" organization? The "Funk Peservation" support groups? Funk ain't just Big Afros, Platform Shoes, or "Dogzzz", or Pimps. It's musicianship, sweat, sex, love, the essence of a beat, it's slick, clever, it's James Brown in '66, bass guitars, good chicken scratch guitars, fearlessness, daringness, freakiness, Camille and the Linn, The Concept Of The One! Prince has it still, that's why I love his music AND LOOK! It's what Funk is suppose to be TODAY! In 1987, Camille and the Black Album (A.K.A The Funk Bible - hear track nine), the movie for Sign O The Times, THAT was REAL FUNK taken to some other level then the stereotypes fed to the masses. Choose your passion: tennis shoes and baseball caps, OR peach and black, teal blue overcoat, heart attack! Keep FUNK alive children! ~*~ Edited to preserve FUNK! [This message was edited Sun Aug 4 23:02:50 PDT 2002 by FlyingCloudPassenger] mistermaxxx | |
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Vagina said: Preach it Brother,Anyways hear it goes Let's all Play 1 Nation Under A Groove. Parliament Funkadelic and Dr. Funkenstein for our Youngins. Bet is where it is At! We must definitely pledge Allegience to the Time! We must GET WILD! Give Us the Funk...We WANT THE FUNK. We are going to Rip the Roof Of of The MutherSucker. And Scream Atomic Dog...Little Doggies as we Play in the Sunshine with our little Toys. Yerf, yerf! Sis Boom Bam!
You didn't get it. No it's MORE than Ripping the Roof or even letting the mf burn! That's what I'm talking about, people instantly think that FUNK is JUST being One Nation Under A Groove. But, it's been crippled into this blackspoitation thing. As much as I love George, there's other kinds of FUNK folks! | |
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Yeah,but Flying that's who we think of when we think of Funk. What else are u trying 2 get at? What R U asking anyway? I did answer Your question. What else R U looking 4? Who said Anything about Blacksploitation? Funk Rules. Your question is Long-Winded and Un-Clear. Reiterate,please!O.k. I get U. Well who really plays Funk anymore ? Sad,but True. It's not on the Radio stations or T.V. . It's all about Rap on MTV. People don't hear the Funk anymore. [This message was edited Mon Aug 5 0:12:05 PDT 2002 by Vagina] | |
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I like both kinds of music: Hip Hop AND R&B!!  ----------------------------
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FlyingCloudPassenger said: FUNK and I mean REAL FUNK, has been dissed and forgotten and used only for comedic/clown purposes. You know, like those Nike commercials where they've recreated a Mothership show with George and Snoop Doggy Dogg (Fake Funker)!
It's like Funk has been stereotyped as a 70's ridiculous, extravagant almost clown like farse of over the top "dogs" woofing about! But it' much more than that! Today's supposedly FUNKY artists like, Me'Shelle or Lenny Kravitz are more skanky styled...you know denim, dressin' like bums, etc. an quite frankly, depressing and boring. Plus they just have to put some hip hop elements in their music (okay well mayb not Lenny) so as to get attention from the audience. I know, Me'Shelle's pretty good and deserves props, but...I don't know... At least Macy Gray's tried to bring the FUNK back! And Prince with this last tour has kept it cool and alive as well with his new killer band...TRUE FUNK! Verrry interesting perspective. Exalting Macy Gray at the expense of a true Funkateer like Meshell - THEN complain that Funk has been stereotyped and used for clownish purposes. I don't dislike Macy at all, but she's  And Meshell is a throwback without being retro, a la Lenny. Within this generation of musicians (and Meshell is a musician) she is The Real Deal. She's basically out of place among this era's PERFORMERS. Had she come up during the late 60s or early 70s she'd get more airplay, more exposure, more recognition overall, instead of languishing among today's artists who have cult followings. She's Gil Scott, she's Curtis Mayfield, she's everything that was/is good about Public Enemy - yet she sounds like none of them. She's their spiritual counterpart. She brings the Funk, and Funkateers know that it's more than just the music. Don't lose sight of what's right under your nose.[This message was edited Mon Aug 5 1:35:40 PDT 2002 by Supernova] This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Funk, yeah.
But there really isn't very much around these days. Macy Gray's not doing anything new, she's regurgitating Clinton/Brown/Prince/&c. for the kids. | |
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unremarkable said: Funk, yeah.
But there really isn't very much around these days. Macy Gray's not doing anything new, she's regurgitating Clinton/Brown/Prince/&c. for the kids. I've dug both Macy's albums. Just great music IMO. Well I have grown up with hip-hop and love it as an art-form in itself (No I don't mean Ja Rule, Nelly etc) but my heart is with the funk so if I have to choose it's obvious where the origins lay. | |
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NO QUESTION:
THE FUNK. FCP poses a good question about how today's generation could ever come to appreciate this unbelievable form of great music.. ironically, it seems, the funk samples so prevalent in hip-hop are probably the only these kids today can be exposed to the real thing.. but as we know, the sample of 4 bars of a funk classic hardly begins to give the full flavor of that jam. Of course, I HATE that all these hip-hop performers sample really good & funky songs that I grew up on & with.. but then again, these hip-hoppers don't have any choice! Most of them have NO music ability, & those who do have chosen to not develop it, not invest the time & practice it takes to actually PLAY an instrument & do something (relatively) creative with it.. no, no, no... it's MUCH easier to get paid (& get laid) by stealing someone else's music (ideas, style, etc.) that you had nothing to do with, then calling it your own music/song (what nerve!) Frankly, I think this generation is totally lost in terms of being able to appreciate real music from real musicians & real singers, & there is almost no 1 out there on the scene to represent the GREATNESS OF FUNK. Oh well, too bad for the youngins. Every now & then, when I see a decent opportunity, I'll hip a youngin to THE FUNK. Sometimes they get into it, sometimes they scratch their head. I hearby promise to RAISE my own children ON THE FUNK & limit (as much as possible) their exposure to hip-hop. Anyone who wants to call this "censorship" or whatever.. GO AHEAD. At least there'll be a few children (=mine) who will have an understanding & a real appreciation of THE FUNK. CLEARLY, hip-hop WOULD NOT EXIST WITHOUT THE FUNK. On the other hand, funk is its own reward, so funk doesn't need anything from hip-hop... LONG LIVE THE FUNK. I'll see you tonight..
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Oh...this one is a no-brainer...THE F to the U to the N to the K. Great post mltijchr!!! | |
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mltijchr said: NO QUESTION:
THE FUNK. ... I hearby promise to RAISE my own children ON THE FUNK & limit (as much as possible) their exposure to hip-hop. Anyone who wants to call this "censorship" or whatever.. GO AHEAD. At least there'll be a few children (=mine) who will have an understanding & a real appreciation of THE FUNK. CLEARLY, hip-hop WOULD NOT EXIST WITHOUT THE FUNK. On the other hand, funk is its own reward, so funk doesn't need anything from hip-hop... LONG LIVE THE FUNK. Ha haaa! Beautiful! Right teach the babies what real Funk is! There arre some that I admired in the Hip Hop music scene, Ice T, Run DMC, GrandMasterFlash, etc...but they are the originators bringing the fun into the hoods...cool. BUT now, it's a big corporate monster. If RAP were copyrighted and trademarked way back, they would have already sold the shares and gone public in 1988. The backlash was immediate at the time, remember De La Souls "Me, Myself, and I" in '89? The video showed the difference, from the "clones", the ones who bought into the look or lifestyle of "tough playa" instead on being true to themselves. The bravery that a kid needs to go at it alone and be harrased for being different. Funk then can be related to being unique, individualism, freedom, fearlessness (again), the Grease! That is why Prince has and always will be the heir to the thrown of TRUE FUNK. Period. He embodies the true Funk spirit! (Not that I'm argueing that with anyone here!) I realized this waaay back in 1987 when I CHOSE FUNK! I didn't buy into and still laugh at rappers who try to sing,"...won't be no one left!". Hip Hop is a ready made image. It's in the closet of ready to wear macho bravado imagery. Anyone with a quick tongue can easily choose from the "Hip Hop Look"...but on the sport team tanks, wear the baseball caps, put on the tennis shoes...theya ALL look the same. Like a uniform. | |
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Yeah..."pack the house and try to sing...there won't be no one left!"
...ain't this one of the coolest songs Prince has ever done? Personally I only like a couple of HipHop songs (from what I know, I'm sure there are more). Definitely Funk for me. | |
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Supernova said: FlyingCloudPassenger said: ...
I know, Me'Shelle's pretty good and deserves props, but...I don't know... At least Macy Gray's tried to bring the FUNK back! And Prince with this last tour has kept it cool and alive as well with his new killer band...TRUE FUNK! Verrry interesting perspective. Exalting Macy Gray at the expense of a true Funkateer like Meshell - THEN complain that Funk has been stereotyped and used for clownish purposes. I don't dislike Macy at all, but she's And Meshell is a throwback without being retro, a la Lenny. Within this generation of musicians (and Meshell is a musician) she is The Real Deal. She's basically out of place among this era's PERFORMERS. Had she come up during the late 60s or early 70s she'd get more airplay, more exposure, more recognition overall, instead of languishing among today's artists who have cult followings. She's Gil Scott, she's Curtis Mayfield, she's everything that was/is good about Public Enemy - yet she sounds like none of them. She's their spiritual counterpart. She brings the Funk, and Funkateers know that it's more than just the music. Don't lose sight of what's right under your nose.
[This message was edited Mon Aug 5 1:35:40 PDT 2002 by Supernova] I should have been more specific. The spirit is there with Macy. She's funky. Sure she's bringing it down for the kids of today, but the fun of the Funk is there with her. So really talking about style and macy's band as a whole. I remember seeing her on Saturday Night Live and was excited to see not a group of studio musicians trying to look hip, but musicians with that spirit! The way they were playing their instruments, there attitudes, there is something there, a celebration of the concept of "Band" but with out the stereotypical "Old School Elements", they were original to an extent. On the other hand Me'Shell, obviously commands great repect from her audience. And I think she's a true musician and poet, supertight band, but boring to a certain point. Now I'm also NOT saying that Me'Shell get all glitzy, it's not her style, and it's a more intellectual kind of Funk which is cool. From what I've seen and heard, she's chosen FUNK! | |
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thanks for the support, y'all!
THE FUNK is so good, so powerful, so real.. all we can do is support it, & support each other in supporting it.. "your sensitivity is very sensitive to mine.." I'll see you tonight..
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