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Reply #60 posted 07/23/06 5:09pm

Rhondab

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nurse said:





OH SNAP!! It's on now-go to work Luxury smile .

I hate taking people to school but if I must, wink class begins in 1...2...3...

Here's an exerpt from an interview that Kedar gave in 2002, around Grammy time: http://www.pbs.org/newsho..._2-27.html

Here's the man himself, click on "About Us" and you will get the explanation and WHO originated it as well.

Wait, here's yet ANOTHER site that tells of the origin of the term: http://randb.about.com/od...eoSoul.htm

The media didn't do shit. Again, if cats in Neo Soul we're making money like the Hip-Hoppers, they'd be in love with that damn term and would be promoting the fuck out of it.


damn..school is in session beeyatches lol
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Reply #61 posted 07/23/06 5:11pm

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Rhondab said:

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lol Rhonda, you know you have no one to blame but yourself. It should've been RhondaB. Inner caps are your friend! smile



actually...on every site..I'm RhondaB. As a matter of fact, I asked if I could change it....and was told I'd have to create a new damn account.

but thanks for pointing the finger back at me. My self esteem has been lifted. confused lol Alexde Paris lol or is it Alexd eParis or maybe A lex deParis...or maybe even Ale xde Paris. wink lol


and yes, I hate all of ya'll.

DaBRhon, I'm sure AlexisDeParis was just funning around with you.
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Reply #62 posted 07/23/06 5:11pm

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Rhondab said:

LuxuryBrown said:


I hate taking people to school but if I must, wink class begins in 1...2...3...

Here's an exerpt from an interview that Kedar gave in 2002, around Grammy time: http://www.pbs.org/newsho..._2-27.html

Here's the man himself, click on "About Us" and you will get the explanation and WHO originated it as well:http://www.kedar.com/

Wait, here's yet ANOTHER site that tells of the origin of the term: http://randb.about.com/od...eoSoul.htm

The media didn't do shit. Again, if cats in Neo Soul we're making money like the Hip-Hoppers, they'd be in love with that damn term and would be promoting the fuck out of it.


damn..school is in session beeyatches lol

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Reply #63 posted 07/23/06 5:11pm

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The problem is simple: They aren't making money off it. Now, if these same artists were making the same cheese off Neo Soul that the rappers are making off Hip Hop, then they'd EMBRACE the term Neo Soul. Believe that. Their disdain for the term is ONLY about money - Or lack there of. So what they're trying to do is distance themselves from that term because they think it hurts their sales when the term isn't the problem, but the lack of marketing for the genre.

Take for instance, Jaguar Wright - She titled her last album "Divorcing Neo To Marry Soul" and her album STILL flopped.

Neo Soul simply means "The NEW (NEO) generation of soul artists that are keeping & maintaining the OLD Soul Music sound" - Simple as that.

And always remember this - Regardless of what they "label" you, if you're shit is good, it will transcend the label. MOST artist don't understand the "business" side of the industry so they disregard what needs to be done in order to get their shit out to the masses.

The alternative is distribute your own shit and more than likely not sell shit on a grand scale. pretentious? Yes. But if you're gonna get in the record biz you're gonna have to play their game for the most part or end up like Amel Larrieux - releasing albums without any fanfare and flopping.

Rock artists don't complain about being called Rock. Hip Hop artists don't complain about being called Hip Hop. Pop artists dont complain about being called Pop. Why? Because there's big money in those genres. Neo Soul artists wouldn't give a damn about that label if they were making the same amounts as those aforementioned genres.

The problem isn't the term, it's the lack of marketing the genre.

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Well, the problem is most "neo-soul" sucks. That's the problem. There are NO neo-Al Greens, neo-Chaka Khans, neo-Teena Marie's, neo-Isley Brothers, neo-Marvin Gayes, neo-Stevie Wonders - there are no artists of today that occupy a similar imposing and lasting stature in the whole canon of black/American music such as the ones just mentioned do. And THAT's the problem. I fail to see how anyone can argue otherwise. That's why the idea of "neo-soul" is bullshit. The word/concept came straight out of some record company's marketing department and went straight to the media, who ate it up. But it was never a cultural movement, indigenous to sections of the American people (or any people) as was rock and roll or hip-hop or soul music. Never. There are no "soul" artists doing nowadays the way it used to be done. There are many who wish they could, but that's another matter.
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Reply #64 posted 07/23/06 5:14pm

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darkstranger521 said:

missfee said:


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Well, the problem is most "neo-soul" sucks. That's the problem. There are NO neo-Al Greens, neo-Chaka Khans, neo-Teena Marie's, neo-Isley Brothers, neo-Marvin Gayes, neo-Stevie Wonders - there are no artists of today that occupy a similar imposing and lasting stature in the whole canon of black/American music such as the ones just mentioned do. And THAT's the problem. I fail to see how anyone can argue otherwise. That's why the idea of "neo-soul" is bullshit. The word/concept came straight out of some record company's marketing department and went straight to the media, who ate it up. But it was never a cultural movement, indigenous to sections of the American people (or any people) as was rock and roll or hip-hop or soul music. Never. There are no "soul" artists doing nowadays the way it used to be done. There are many who wish they could, but that's another matter.


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Reply #65 posted 07/23/06 5:16pm

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Rhondab said:

AlexdeParis said:


lol Rhonda, you know you have no one to blame but yourself. It should've been RhondaB. Inner caps are your friend! smile



actually...on every site..I'm RhondaB. As a matter of fact, I asked if I could change it....and was told I'd have to create a new damn account.

but thanks for pointing the finger back at me. My self esteem has been lifted. confused lol Alexde Paris lol or is it Alexd eParis or maybe A lex deParis...or maybe even Ale xde Paris. wink lol


and yes, I hate all of ya'll.

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Reply #66 posted 07/23/06 5:17pm

Rhondab

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Rhondab said:




actually...on every site..I'm RhondaB. As a matter of fact, I asked if I could change it....and was told I'd have to create a new damn account.

but thanks for pointing the finger back at me. My self esteem has been lifted. confused lol Alexde Paris lol or is it Alexd eParis or maybe A lex deParis...or maybe even Ale xde Paris. wink lol


and yes, I hate all of ya'll.

DaBRhon, I'm sure AlexisDeParis was just funning around with you.



duh Xulury...I was funnin' back. lol
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Reply #67 posted 07/23/06 5:23pm

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Rhondab said:

LuxuryBrown said:


DaBRhon, I'm sure AlexisDeParis was just funning around with you.



duh Xulury...I was funnin' back. lol

That's DuhXulury! lol
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Reply #68 posted 07/23/06 5:25pm

Rhondab

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darkstranger521 said:



Well, the problem is most "neo-soul" sucks. That's the problem. There are NO neo-Al Greens, neo-Chaka Khans, neo-Teena Marie's, neo-Isley Brothers, neo-Marvin Gayes, neo-Stevie Wonders - there are no artists of today that occupy a similar imposing and lasting stature in the whole canon of black/American music such as the ones just mentioned do. And THAT's the problem. I fail to see how anyone can argue otherwise. That's why the idea of "neo-soul" is bullshit. The word/concept came straight out of some record company's marketing department and went straight to the media, who ate it up. But it was never a cultural movement, indigenous to sections of the American people (or any people) as was rock and roll or hip-hop or soul music. Never. There are no "soul" artists doing nowadays the way it used to be done. There are many who wish they could, but that's another matter.


I see a short yellow school bus in your future. lol


lol hush up be fo you get the boot...


and dark, I really disagree. I think that we have a different situation nowadays in music that doesn't allow the growth of these newer soul artist. They can't get their music played on the radio, etc. Myspace is full of VERY talented soul artist. I'm really diggin' Sonnyboy. And back on the topic of Jill Scott. This sister is VERY talented and you can't take that away from her just because you don't like her music. I know ppl who will recognize the talent of a younger Aretha but would rather listen to Gladys. Doesn't make Aretha less talented. Talent is Talent. There's also no mentorship in music nowadays. Chaka, Stevie, and the like had mentors and others assisting them and showing them the way. There are no more berry gordys. Rick was there for Teena. Who is there for Erykah, India, Maxell, D'Angelo, Bilal, Raheem, Rahsaan, Jill, Goapele, Floetry, Lina, Amel, etc? They all tend to support each other but sometimes the old need to reach down and help the young artists.
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Reply #69 posted 07/23/06 5:33pm

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Rhondab said:

LuxuryBrown said:



I see a short yellow school bus in your future. lol


lol hush up be fo you get the boot...


and dark, I really disagree. I think that we have a different situation nowadays in music that doesn't allow the growth of these newer soul artist. They can't get their music played on the radio, etc. Myspace is full of VERY talented soul artist. I'm really diggin' Sonnyboy. And back on the topic of Jill Scott. This sister is VERY talented and you can't take that away from her just because you don't like her music. I know ppl who will recognize the talent of a younger Aretha but would rather listen to Gladys. Doesn't make Aretha less talented. Talent is Talent. There's also no mentorship in music nowadays. Chaka, Stevie, and the like had mentors and others assisting them and showing them the way. There are no more berry gordys. Rick was there for Teena. Who is there for Erykah, India, Maxell, D'Angelo, Bilal, Raheem, Rahsaan, Jill, Goapele, Floetry, Lina, Amel, etc? They all tend to support each other but sometimes the old need to reach down and help the young artists.

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Reply #70 posted 07/23/06 5:37pm

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talent...regardless if you like the music or not


Jill Scott and Chris Botti
http://www.youtube.com/wa...l1noboTr0c

erykah badu "booty/kiss" LIVE
http://www.youtube.com/wa...GFq8Sr8ko0


these sistas are talented. smile
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Reply #71 posted 07/23/06 5:59pm

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loloololol.... she is sooooo boring... her videos, her lyrics, her style is completely boring... and she called herself light skinned.... LOLOLOL she is caramel skin
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Reply #72 posted 07/23/06 6:02pm

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what the hell does light skin and caramel skin have to do with this topic....

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ok..time for me to go to bed...lol
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Reply #73 posted 07/23/06 6:29pm

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TotalAlisa said:

loloololol.... she is sooooo boring... her videos, her lyrics, her style is completely boring... and she called herself light skinned.... LOLOLOL she is caramel skin


I smell a youngin' hmm

And the color thing - WHY? confused

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Reply #74 posted 07/23/06 6:44pm

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TotalAlisa said:

loloololol.... she is sooooo boring... her videos, her lyrics, her style is completely boring... and she called herself light skinned.... LOLOLOL she is caramel skin


are you serious with that booolshit

please
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Reply #75 posted 07/23/06 7:27pm

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The main reason why "neo-soul" is more a superfluous marketing gimmick, rather than a true rebirth of soul is that it is not tied to a national socio-political agenda. Soul was born on the cusp of the Civil Rights Era. The songs might have been sung about love and dancing, but there were also themes of uprising, rebellion and spiritual awareness. This formulated a "hidden code", if you will, calling the righteous, regardless of race, to unite against injustices seen on national TV and in the daily press. Political awareness and activism was either channeled from soul music or formed the backdrop to the struggle. Nowadays, we may debate whether true progress has been achieved, but there is less of a national consensus among black and white whether further reforms are necessary. Neo-soul is incapable of uniting black people on a singe issue.

There are also issues with young black people no longer getting their primary music education through the black church. I could blame that on hip-hop or just plain old bad parenting, but it might also be an end-result of integration.
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Reply #76 posted 07/23/06 8:57pm

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The main reason why "neo-soul" is more a superfluous marketing gimmick, rather than a true rebirth of soul is that it is not tied to a national socio-political agenda. Soul was born on the cusp of the Civil Rights Era. The songs might have been sung about love and dancing, but there were also themes of uprising, rebellion and spiritual awareness. This formulated a "hidden code", if you will, calling the righteous, regardless of race, to unite against injustices seen on national TV and in the daily press. Political awareness and activism was either channeled from soul music or formed the backdrop to the struggle. Nowadays, we may debate whether true progress has been achieved, but there is less of a national consensus among black and white whether further reforms are necessary. Neo-soul is incapable of uniting black people on a singe issue.
There are also issues with young black people no longer getting their primary music education through the black church. I could blame that on hip-hop or just plain old bad parenting, but it might also be an end-result of integration.

There is no longer any one single theme that can unite all of Black America.

Also, Neo Soul is for the thinking man/woman for the most part. It's on a higher plane than the R Kelly and Jagged Edge type stuff, and let's face it, most music listeners don't want to be enlightened or educated through music, so the booty-shaking, ho-calling, and money-making songs are gonna hold their attention a lot more than Donnie signing about how proudly he wears his lamb wool (hair).

Like anything, Neo Soul isn't for everyone, just for those that want to be entertained and educated/enlightened at the same time, regardless if the beat is bangin' or the video has big booty hoes and spinners in it.
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Reply #77 posted 07/23/06 11:56pm

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Reply #78 posted 07/24/06 12:08am

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ccollin88 said:

nurse said:




Now that's just wrong omg bad, bad ccollin88.

BUT U KNOW ITS TRUE,TRUE,TRUE

Whateva .
Supaficial shit .
Kim Burrell's gospel will blow yo a$$ from the stage .

http://youtube.com/watch?...%20burrell

What about Latifah huh ?
Singing some serious jazz .



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Reply #79 posted 07/24/06 6:41am

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At the moment, i'm so-so with Ms Scott.

Who is Jill Scott? Words and Sounds: Vol 1 was beautiful & thoughtful. Full of great songs, and lovely poetry. mushy

Vol 2 just plain sucked. confused
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Reply #80 posted 07/24/06 7:44pm

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LuxuryBrown said:

PFunkjazz said:

The main reason why "neo-soul" is more a superfluous marketing gimmick, rather than a true rebirth of soul is that it is not tied to a national socio-political agenda. Soul was born on the cusp of the Civil Rights Era. The songs might have been sung about love and dancing, but there were also themes of uprising, rebellion and spiritual awareness. This formulated a "hidden code", if you will, calling the righteous, regardless of race, to unite against injustices seen on national TV and in the daily press. Political awareness and activism was either channeled from soul music or formed the backdrop to the struggle. Nowadays, we may debate whether true progress has been achieved, but there is less of a national consensus among black and white whether further reforms are necessary. Neo-soul is incapable of uniting black people on a singe issue.
There are also issues with young black people no longer getting their primary music education through the black church. I could blame that on hip-hop or just plain old bad parenting, but it might also be an end-result of integration.

There is no longer any one single theme that can unite all of Black America.

Also, Neo Soul is for the thinking man/woman for the most part. It's on a higher plane than the R Kelly and Jagged Edge type stuff, and let's face it, most music listeners don't want to be enlightened or educated through music, so the booty-shaking, ho-calling, and money-making songs are gonna hold their attention a lot more than Donnie signing about how proudly he wears his lamb wool (hair).

Like anything, Neo Soul isn't for everyone, just for those that want to be entertained and educated/enlightened at the same time, regardless if the beat is bangin' or the video has big booty hoes and spinners in it.


i think thats insulting, i think the main issue that people have with neo soul (including myself) is that its too damn mellow. i can rarely listen to a whole album worth of mellowness regardless of the message
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Reply #81 posted 07/24/06 8:41pm

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Moonwalkbjrain said:

LuxuryBrown said:


There is no longer any one single theme that can unite all of Black America.

Also, Neo Soul is for the thinking man/woman for the most part. It's on a higher plane than the R Kelly and Jagged Edge type stuff, and let's face it, most music listeners don't want to be enlightened or educated through music, so the booty-shaking, ho-calling, and money-making songs are gonna hold their attention a lot more than Donnie signing about how proudly he wears his lamb wool (hair).

Like anything, Neo Soul isn't for everyone, just for those that want to be entertained and educated/enlightened at the same time, regardless if the beat is bangin' or the video has big booty hoes and spinners in it.


i think thats insulting, i think the main issue that people have with neo soul (including myself) is that its too damn mellow. i can rarely listen to a whole album worth of mellowness regardless of the message


I don't think it's insulting as much as it's true. MOST people don't listen to music to be enlightened/educated. MOST people listen to music to dance and shake their ass to.
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