shortstuff45220 said:

Viacom owns CBS MTV VH1 and BET... so it doesn't matter one doesn't get it without the other.

ehuffnsd said:

That's total bullshit and you know it. They're going to stick Janet on BET like they did during the Damita Jo era but deny her the ability to promote on MTV. It's so they can say there's no embargo even though they're keeping her off their #1 commercial platform. Well, okay - the song is a hit without it, anyway.

Meanwhile, Justin's white ass is all over MTV.

And Hung Up and Sorry were heavily promoted on MTV and TRL, so that age thing is total bullshit, as well.
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shortstuff45220 said:

Viacom owns CBS MTV VH1 and BET... so it doesn't matter one doesn't get it without the other.

PleasurePrinciple said:

Madonna only hit number 7 with hung up on the pop charts. She hasn't had a number one single since Music which was the same year Janet had her last number one single.

Madonna has had 2 #1 Albums since Music her last number one album. I believe Damita Jo Janet's last album went #1 and sold more than American Life.

Janet has the ability to be a big hit in the States because she is RnB focused. She just has to be able to put out a somewhat dencent album. Plus Virgin has to be willing to promote it. Trust me Jive is working overtime to put out JT's album since they have lost their other flagship artist Britney.

It's about how much work the label puts out there anyway. If Virign wanted to promote Janet you better believe MTV would be playing her single... is the video out yet? the single been release yet?

we can't blame this all on MTV or whomever it depends on the aritst and the label. Maybe Janet isn't wanting to be on MTV or maybe Virgin is holding back for a more upbeat single.

VoicesCarry said:

what artist cost the company money? Did JT know there was going to be a reveal of some form? yes Did he know it was going to be a barebrest vs a bra? more than likely. Who had the ultimate decision is the whole fiasco? Who chose not to wear a bra under the corest? Who was the one that was silent on the whole stint for two weeks causing more harm than good?

Prior to the infamous waldrobe malfunction MTV always supported Janet, now MTV
almost never say to much about her upcoming projects (Damita Jo) included, but on ther other hand they never stop supporting Justin.... He played a major part in that little disater... why do you think that is ?

I think it's more of an age thing, than a race or gender thing. Janet's 40, thats like an old geezer to someone who's 18 watching MTV.

Tom said:

That's no excuse. Madonna is 40+ and she's french kissing women half her age on and off MTV.

TonyVanDam said:

but who caused a major fine from the FCC?

VoicesCarry said:

what artist cost the company money? Did JT know there was going to be a reveal of some form? yes Did he know it was going to be a barebrest vs a bra? more than likely. Who had the ultimate decision is the whole fiasco? Who chose not to wear a bra under the corest? Who was the one that was silent on the whole stint for two weeks causing more harm than good?

ehuffnsd said:

They both caused a major fine... im trying to understand why one gets a free pass and the other is punished

ehuffnsd said:

I started this thread because i really think that something funny is going on over @ MTV.... this is quote from Blender magazine that had Janet on the cover
June/July 2004
"MTV is absolutely bailing on the record(Damita Jo) a senior Viacom excutive told Blender The pressure is so great,They can't align with anything related to Janet. The higher-ups are still pissed at her, and this is a punitive measure"

Then Judy Mcgrath,MTV Networks Group president said "We didn't pull our support.. The video didn't seem to connect with our audience.If there was demand for it, it would be on TRL" I just find it funny because i don't recall TRL ever premiering the video... i never saw the video on MTV at all

TonyVanDam said:

but who caused a major fine from the FCC?

ehuffnsd said:

Wow, you'd think as a Madonna fan you'd be all *FOR* showing tits on TV.

Get over it. It was a lame stunt, but his reaction was even lamer than the setup and the fallout.

BTW, she apologized in a televised statement a few days after the SB, so I don't know what this "silent on the whole stint for two weeks" bullshit is.

VoicesCarry said:

i'm all for tits and ass all over tv... doesn't bother me a bit.

but what i'm trying to say is. It was Janet's ultimate decison to not wear a bra underneath her corset and thereby causing MTV and CBS to get fined. Justin didn't make her do it, MTV didn't make her do it, Jermaine Dupri didn't make her do it. Janet in the end had the final decison in her dressing room. If MTV choses not to play her videos because they were fined because she chose not to wear a bra... once again no one forced regardless of other parties information of the event. like it's my fault for not asking a partner to wear a condom and now i have HIV. it is their choice as a buisness. we are a free market society and they have the freedom to do what they want. Just like the chose not to play Justify My Love or Erotica or any video from American Life.

She isn't a victim here... she made a choice she has to deal with it. I'm sure if Justin had whipped out his dick it would have been the same thing.

ehuffnsd said:

I started this thread because i really think that something funny is going on over @ MTV.... this is quote from Blender magazine that had Janet on the cover
June/July 2004
"MTV is absolutely bailing on the record(Damita Jo) a senior Viacom excutive told Blender The pressure is so great,They can't align with anything related to Janet. The higher-ups are still pissed at her, and this is a punitive measure"

Then Judy Mcgrath,MTV Networks Group president said "We didn't pull our support.. The video didn't seem to connect with our audience.If there was demand for it, it would be on TRL" I just find it funny because i don't recall TRL ever premiering the video... i never saw the video on MTV at all

VoicesCarry said:

i'm all for tits and ass all over tv... doesn't bother me a bit.

but what i'm trying to say is. It was Janet's ultimate decison to not wear a bra underneath her corset and thereby causing MTV and CBS to get fined. Justin didn't make her do it, MTV didn't make her do it, Jermaine Dupri didn't make her do it. Janet in the end had the final decison in her dressing room. If MTV choses not to play her videos because they were fined because she chose not to wear a bra... once again no one forced regardless of other parties information of the event. like it's my fault for not asking a partner to wear a condom and now i have HIV. it is their choice as a buisness. we are a free market society and they have the freedom to do what they want. Just like the chose not to play Justify My Love or Erotica or any video from American Life.

She isn't a victim here... she made a choice she has to deal with it. I'm sure if Justin had whipped out his dick it would have been the same thing.

VoicesCarry said:

what artist cost the company money? Did JT know there was going to be a reveal of some form? yes Did he know it was going to be a barebrest vs a bra? more than likely. Who had the ultimate decision is the whole fiasco? Who chose not to wear a bra under the corest? Who was the one that was silent on the whole stint for two weeks causing more harm than good?

ehuffnsd said:

Whether you like it or not, Justin is part of the equation, as he was involved and participated in the act.

And no, it would NOT be the same thing if he'd whipped out his cock. Janet's a woman and she's black. Hasn't Madonna taught you ANYTHING?????

ehuffnsd said:

Whether you like it or not, Justin is part of the equation, as he was involved and participated in the act.

And no, it would NOT be the same thing if he'd whipped out his cock. Janet's a woman and she's black. Hasn't Madonna taught you ANYTHING?????

Anyway, you've already made it clear that you don't know much about what happened during the Damita Jo era with that "two weeks of silence" bullshit. You probably think Justin didn't dump all the blame on her just because the kitchen got too hot. Hey, he's white, he can always leave the kitchen and go to the nice cool living room. And now he's back on MTV.
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banks said:

hopefully this does NOT hurt janet's album promotion... and sales... because so many people are so influence by MTV... Gwen Steffani... i dont know how to spell her name... LOLOL... they played her video so much last summer... i was not surprised that it was number one... and had been downloaded a million times... MTV does help with promotion of so many artist... and janet needs all the help she can get... because so many people are hating on her..

VoicesCarry said:

Yup take responiblity for your actions.

Once again... Janet and Janet alone made the final decison that day on what to wear. I believe Justin knew that was going to happen. But Janet is a big girl... if she wanted to reveal her breast on National TV she needs to be a big enough girl to handle the outcome.

Just like I know when I go to Palm Springs Pride and if i want to particpate in the Pride Parade I should make sure my ass is covered or else i'm going to jail. Seriously. A friend of mine last year got arrested and spent the night in jail for doing it. He isn't claiming he was wronged he just made a bad choice.

ehuffnsd said:

Whether you like it or not, Justin is part of the equation, as he was involved and participated in the act.

And no, it would NOT be the same thing if he'd whipped out his cock. Janet's a woman and she's black. Hasn't Madonna taught you ANYTHING?????

Anyway, you've already made it clear that you don't know much about what happened during the Damita Jo era with that "two weeks of silence" bullshit. You probably think Justin didn't dump all the blame on her just because the kitchen got too hot. Hey, he's white, he can always leave the kitchen and go to the nice cool living room. And now he's back on MTV.
[Edited 7/17/06 15:46pm]

ehuffnsd said:

Your right she hasn't complained not once.... i just find it fucked up that they punished her and not him

Like I give a shit.

If Madonna hasn't impressed you with her thoughts on how much more harshly a woman will be judged in this world, then you haven't been paying attention.

By the way, Janet hasn't complained about having no MTV support, so I think she is "dealing with the consequences" just fine.

The point is the consequences should be the same for Justin. Done.
[Edited 7/17/06 15:49pm]

ehuffnsd said:

Like I give a shit.

If Madonna hasn't impressed you with her thoughts on how much more harshly a woman will be judged in this world, then you haven't been paying attention.

By the way, Janet hasn't complained about having no MTV support, so I think she is "dealing with the consequences" just fine.

The point is the consequences should be the same for Justin. Done.
[Edited 7/17/06 15:49pm]

VoicesCarry said:

CORRECTION: Justin would have been fine & arrested by the court of law (like Jim Morrison decades earlier).