Moonwalkbjrain said:

Lauryn actually said that??? damn

I understand Beyonces point but u cant have it both ways. U cant push SEX and then complain thats all that people look at. you have to have a common ground, i mean Tina Turner sold Sex but is respected for her music too. I think the main problem is that Beyonce is complaining about something she created, but the same can be said of Mariah Carey too. To be honest I love Mariah but i could care less about her music, I think i stopped caring about what Mariah was singing after she did Mtv Unplugged, and Mariah writes everything but her image just cancels it out, Glitter is the only album of hers that i can even listen too straight through.

I think what Beyonce wants is the respect that an Alicia Keys or Norah Jones gets, but that will not happen because in every video, u are half naked, rolling on the ground, dont get me wrong Beyonce is hot, but u just have to find a middle ground and right now she cant.

I don't really like her music, but she does have a point, attractive sexy women aren't always respected in the music business for their talent. Look at all the denigrating remarks that have been made about Madonna over the years.
But if Beyonce continues to have hits many years down the road, she will eventually be respected the way that Madonna generally is now. In a way, Beyonce is just starting out in her career. You can't demand respect, you have to earn it over a long period of time.
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Totally disagree. Though i know why she gets the comparisons to Tina, Beyonce could never be Tina, or come close. First of all the struggles and what Tina came from, also what she lived through with Ike, and also lets remember that back in Tinas day, being black was a major issue, there were still seperate bathrooms for blacks and whites back then when Tina was coming up. Beyonce has had it all handed to her, from her label, to her parents, to her boyfriend. From day one Destinys child was all about getting Beyonce to be a star not making a group. So to compare Tina and Beyonce is like spitting at Tina, i think the fact that Tina survived to this day makes her one of the strongest females, black or white in history, i dont think we know the half of what that women went through. Just because Beyonce does her hair up and shows Legs doesnt make her Tina.
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meow85 said:

That sounds exactly like the double standard that Beyonce is complaining about. Nobody made a big deal about Prince prancing around on stage in bikini briefs in his early days, or Motley Crue putting strippers on stage with poles at their concerts when singing "Girls, Girls, Girls," or The Rolling Stones putting an inflatable penis on stage during the late 1970's, but Beyonce shakes her moneymaker on stage, and she's a skanky ho? I don't think she's trying to use sex to overpower her substance; she's doing exactly what Tina Turner did back in the day. Thr problem is that Britney Spears has to overpower her fans with sex because she has little to no substance, and Christina overdid the sex stuff without reralizing how much substance she has. Beyonce has just the right amount of sex appeal but gets lumped up with all of the other performers of her age who overdid the sex stuff in their acts.

From what I am reading on these threads, you expect Beyonce to dance like the greatest Soul Train dancers ever, sing like Aretha, and write music as compelling as Prince, Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen. Cut her some slack. She's not the greatest performer ever, but she is talented, and she kicks more ass then abot 90% of her peers.

VoicesCarry said:

omg...that's hilarious.

Beyonce can't dance for shit. She does all that thrashing and rolling on the ground to hide the fact that she can't dance. She has the grace of an elephant.

PurpleCharm said:

I guess some of you didn't see Beyonce salute Tina at the Kennedy Awards Ceremony. Beyonce tore the roof off when she sang Tina's song. Tina was very impressed and so was everyone else in that place. Tina is a legend and I love to see her perform, but she has nothing on Beyonce. Beyonce is more versatile in her dancing. Tina could never do the dance steps that Beyonce does with HEELS on. Have you forgotten the HARDCORE dancing that "B" does in her videos with HEELS on. She is not just thrasing on the floor(I have only seen her do that one time), she is really DANCING. She does the same in her LIVE performances while SINGING with a very strong voice. Again, let's not allow bias against this lady to diminish her very REAL talent.

PurpleCharm said:

I guess some of you didn't see Beyonce salute Tina at the Kennedy Awards Ceremony. Beyonce tore the roof off when she sang Tina's song. Tina was very impressed and so was everyone else in that place. Tina is a legend and I love to see her perform, but she has nothing on Beyonce. Beyonce is more versatile in her dancing. Tina could never do the dance steps that Beyonce does with HEELS on. Have you forgotten the HARDCORE dancing that "B" does in her videos with HEELS on. She is not just thrasing on the floor(I have only seen her do that one time), she is really DANCING. She does the same in her LIVE performances while SINGING with a very strong voice. Again, let's not allow bias against this lady to diminish her very REAL talent.

The Pink Panther was a success??!!!

Moonwalkbjrain said:

well when prince was doing it, Jay-Z wasn't rapping on his songs and then smacking his ass on a live performance neither.....prince did it all himself

chiltonmusic said:

Uh huh.

All I know is that Tina would never have stood for that BET shit.


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PurpleCharm said:

I guess some of you didn't see Beyonce salute Tina at the Kennedy Awards Ceremony. Beyonce tore the roof off when she sang Tina's song. Tina was very impressed and so was everyone else in that place. Tina is a legend and I love to see her perform, but she has nothing on Beyonce. Beyonce is more versatile in her dancing. Tina could never do the dance steps that Beyonce does with HEELS on. Have you forgotten the HARDCORE dancing that "B" does in her videos with HEELS on. She is not just thrasing on the floor(I have only seen her do that one time), she is really DANCING. She does the same in her LIVE performances while SINGING with a very strong voice. Again, let's not allow bias against this lady to diminish her very REAL talent.

PurpleCharm said:

I guess some of you didn't see Beyonce salute Tina at the Kennedy Awards Ceremony. Beyonce tore the roof off when she sang Tina's song. Tina was very impressed and so was everyone else in that place. Tina is a legend and I love to see her perform, but she has nothing on Beyonce. Beyonce is more versatile in her dancing. Tina could never do the dance steps that Beyonce does with HEELS on. Have you forgotten the HARDCORE dancing that "B" does in her videos with HEELS on. She is not just thrasing on the floor(I have only seen her do that one time), she is really DANCING. She does the same in her LIVE performances while SINGING with a very strong voice. Again, let's not allow bias against this lady to diminish her very REAL talent.

I think the title of this thread is misleading. I also think that Beyonce's statement was taken out of context. She has always seemed humble about her success. Because of the constant dissing and bashing she has had to become more defensive. She is right, people are not taking her serious because she IS attractive. If she were unattracitve, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. I have always wondered why people are so downright mean to this young lady? She is very talented and she puts on GREAT performances. When this young lady performs, she gives it her all-great vocals, great energy, the over-all package. No one says that people have to like Beyonce, at least, give her her DUE. She deserves respect for what she has accomplished. No one GAVE it to her, she earned it and she deserves it.

meow85 said:

That sounds exactly like the double standard that Beyonce is complaining about. Nobody made a big deal about Prince prancing around on stage in bikini briefs in his early days, or Motley Crue putting strippers on stage with poles at their concerts when singing "Girls, Girls, Girls," or The Rolling Stones putting an inflatable penis on stage during the late 1970's, but Beyonce shakes her moneymaker on stage, and she's a skanky ho? I don't think she's trying to use sex to overpower her substance; she's doing exactly what Tina Turner did back in the day. Thr problem is that Britney Spears has to overpower her fans with sex because she has little to no substance, and Christina overdid the sex stuff without reralizing how much substance she has. Beyonce has just the right amount of sex appeal but gets lumped up with all of the other performers of her age who overdid the sex stuff in their acts.

From what I am reading on these threads, you expect Beyonce to dance like the greatest Soul Train dancers ever, sing like Aretha, and write music as compelling as Prince, Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen. Cut her some slack. She's not the greatest performer ever, but she is talented, and she kicks more ass then abot 90% of her peers.

missfee said:

Lauryn did an interview for "MTV Masters" back at the height of her solo career (that you can view on youtube) and denounced all the infamous "white people" rumors, saying they really hurt her and that she considered her music universal (sounding fairly sincere, might I add). Ms. Hill may be pretentious, but as far as those stories of racism go, I just don't know whether I believe them or not.

missfee said:

co-sign

Tina is a legend and I love to see her perform, but she has nothing on Beyonce. Beyonce is more versatile in her dancing. Tina could never do the dance steps that Beyonce does with HEELS on. Have you forgotten the HARDCORE dancing that "B" does in her videos with HEELS on. She is not just thrasing on the floor(I have only seen her do that one time), she is really DANCING. She does the same in her LIVE performances while SINGING with a very strong voice. Again, let's not allow bias against this lady to diminish her very REAL talent.

skyecute said:

Can't.....stop.....laughing.....

skyecute said:

TonyVanDam said:

WHOO Good Googly Moogly!

In retrospect...this might not be one of his best looks.

Funny the things we like and think look cool when we're young and rebellious

skyecute said:

Don't try to guess or assume what I've seen. For the record, I did see Beyonce salute to Tina. And? That performance or the fact that she can dance in heels doesn't change the fact that she can't dance. She is very heavy on her feet causing most of performances to across as clunky, hence my reference to her having the grace of an elephant. Perhaps you've mistaken the fact that she does put her all into her performance and does over-the-top freestyle dancing in heels and somehow translated that into Beyonce being a good dancer.

Beyonce's gift is in her singing, not dancing.

Beyonce CAN dance. Not only can she dance in heels, she can dance in flats or "regular shoes" or whatever people dance in. She dances as well as any other female performer out there, who is called a "dancer".