I actually do remember Work it Out and that that roughness (while biting off of Tina) was sort of a gutsy route. But then, you're right, it wasn't embraced and I remember her father saying it was not indicative of her upcoming solo effort.


Now, she's pulling the Tina influence in again now that she has some clout...she is doing superstar performances ...but again the material is so cliche. Do we really need another song with Jay Z about how so in love she is?

You can do pop songs that are still clever and artisitc enough to be classic. Prince has done a ton of them.


As fun as these little ditties are, she should be ashamed to put out stuff like Check On It and Deja Vu and then have the nerves to demand respect. What's the message in Check on It? Oh yeah, watch me shake my booty and then I might give you some.

These things are far beneath her talent.
Songs CAN have concepts, motifs, poetry, etc.


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NDRU said:

Being a producer is easier than you think.

All you have to do is spend your money (on composers, instruments, etc.) & resources (read: elecric bill from your home studio) to make a project (music, movie, etc.) come to life.

SynthiaRose said:

TonyVanDam said:

It's for the points and royalties. I've seen the process up close and personal and the negotiatons that go on for the percentages is soooo hardcore. My ex co-wrote a song with Knowles before ( years ago for some shelved Sony girl group in LA) and all I can say is that her father IS a rather formidable presence. The Knowles clan is definitely "in it to win it" so to speak. But oddly enough even though he was a tough negotiator...he wasn't assanine like some of the others you cross paths with; I have seen people wooed, bullied, threatened, or even slept with over songwriting percentages and production points. They need to make a night time soap about the snakes in the music industry to take up where Dynasty and Dallas left off . I know I'd watch

SynthiaRose said:

I haven't read the lyrics to DejaVu yet, but it hasn't struck me as too offensive thus far.And in all honesty I like the arrangements.

Check Up On It, however, is clearly the worst thing that chile has ever written or recorded, and that is when I realized I too am sick of Beyoncé's booty shaking preoccupation....and the VIDEO????? All that jiggling??? I was so turned off from it I just don't evn know how to express it I understand being in concert, the whole mini-dress-lemme-shake-it-onstage-like-Tina-used-to-do-with-the-Ikettes-thing....but that Check Up On It video? She looked exactly like the very girls she criticized in that song (You're Nasty) Put Some Clothes On ...I was not feeling that video AT ALL.

Ottensen said:

That's what I'm sayin'. At this point in her career can't she think of another way to command attention?? I guess she'll always have her lightweight, simply for fun songs (though I still cannot listen to Bootylicious to this day!) but to prance around & stick your booty out for 4 minutes is not entertaining for those who like your voice, so what are you really selling?

I blame Hype Williams ass too - that bitch puts up a pink curtain & a fan & thinks he's accomplished something. For some reason I thought (& maybe this is just my little strange mind) that after Aaliyah's death he would put a little more thought into his work? Have a little more respect for what he bothers to put on screen? Not be so damn lazy w/ his concepts. I dunno, I guess that's just me

Ottensen said:

These stories are never told on Behind The Music.
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Ottensen said:

ohh u shoulda seen the live performance of that, a friend had the dvd and when that one came on i was like bitch please!

SynthiaRose said:

Totally agree! Kelly is freakin' gorgeous! Sexy as hell Dare I say it,I think she looks even hotter than Beyonce these days.

DavidEye said:

Both are beautiful women. Beyonce is just overexposed and her look hasn't been updated.

[late night typing mistake edit]
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I like Kelly, too. But there's another chil' who needs some better music to back up that wonderful voice.

DavidEye said:

Kelly is downright stunning Even the red streaks can't fuck her up

CalhounSq said:

Wow, I never realized how stunning she is.

Too bad DC made such shitty music.

EmancipationLover said:

That's MY kind of woman.....

TonyVanDam said:

That's what a movie producer does.

In music a producer is more comparable to the director of a film--responsible for the overall sound of a song--working with the engineers to get the right instrument sounds, bringing in specific session musicians if necessary & helping with the mix & arrangements. That's why serious artists like Prince produce their own stuff; they can't relinquish that much control.

And these days, particularly in the hip hop & r&b world, producers actually create backing music for singers & rappers ala Dr. Dre.

Beyonce could move a few faders and call herself a producer, but I would like to see her work in the studio to back that up.
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CalhounSq said:

Thanks for the pic. THIS is the reson why I would always pick Kelly over Beyonce.

NDRU said:

With all of the music production softwares out there (Acid Pro, Reason, FL Studio, Sonar, Pro-Tools, Audition, etc.), Almost anyone can created backing music these days.....in the bedroom at least!

Ahhhh, the good ole days of the original DC - So sexy!



I guess we can tell Kelly did get a nose job, huh?

StoneCrib said:

GAT DAMMIT!! She did, didn't she??? Holy crap, she was already gorgeous - WHY?

I never even noticed (& y'all know I be all over shit like this ), but I never followed DC until this last album

CalhounSq said:

Yeah, someone told me she got a nose job but I didn't believe them until I saw these pics. Naw, she didn't need one but you know how the Euro-centric view of beauty makes some of us Black folk do some crazy thangs - Ask MJ

I know for sure that Kelly, LaTavia and LeToya had nose jobs. I'm not quite sure about Beyonce, although I 've seen pics of her where her nose looked broader than what it is now.

StoneCrib said:

SC, you have good critical eye sight. I didn't notice Kelly's nose job at all!

Well at least she's still sexy in my eyes!!

EDIT: Beyonce's hip were a lot slimmer in the past too. And look at the lighting they use on the first pic. Stupid "Brown Paper Bag Rules" were enforce on that one.
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TonyVanDam said:

Well, I wouldn't have noticed unless someone told me she had a nose job and then after seeing these pics I think they were right.

And yeah, I noticed B's pose in reference to the other 3 women...Having Pops as the manager is a muthafucka aint it?

DavidEye said:

Yes, she is.

PurpleCharm said:

I'm just thankful she chose a good doctor and didn't go overboard. There's nothing I hate more than that nosejob model "the piglet", where the nose gets all pinched and upturned like a little piglet snout .

TonyVanDam said:

She really is a VERY VERY pretty young lady. Kelly has that kind of black-girl pretty that's similar to Janet; they're just pretty without an over-excessive amount of accountrements, and they have those SMILES that can just light of a room. Beyonce, unless she's fully made up, isn't really as pretty as they are. In fact I've always found that she looks rather "average" pretty, though she cleans up FABULOUSLY . However, I remember visiting Atlanta recently and just being so overwhelmed at how FREAKIN' BEAUTIFUL all the sistas were (and the BROTHAS too )...I can only be happy for Beyonce that she had the good sense to only say that she was ATTRACTIVE , in whatever context....oddly, I still like the kid though. And I like her singing. I just wish she'd give the gyrating a rest now.

Ottensen said:

And isn't it interesting that BOTH have fucked w/ their faces?

DAMN...

CalhounSq said:

and Janet is so lucky, because as far as I'm concerned her last nose job was HORRIBLE, but, luckily her prettiness still shines through.She still looks like "Penny" to me...but she need not put another knife to that face otherwise all that might be lost! The next time she gets an inkling to go visit her plastic surgeon I hope Jemaine Durpi ties her ass to a chair and locks her up somewhere
in the house

CalhounSq said:

T'woops. Double Post!
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Rhondab said:

But wait, y'all: I was thinking, I know she's still young and probaly needed to go through some kind of wild nekkid gyrating phase, right? But what I'm sensing is she might be starting to grow a little in her young mind, yet hasn't kind figured out the connection between mind, body, and ACTIONS. So where as she might in her MIND want to be taken seriously for all her hard work, because of her actions and the choices that are being made with respect to her imaging, for now her legacy in r&b music and the black community resembles not more than this (which is f*****cked UP):


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then click on the hot ghetto mess video labeled:

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...now I know that this bespeaks of the imput of the family as much as it does media imaging and how it affects our community. But essentially, if the young Miss Knowles wants to be taken "seriously" for what she can bring to the world of entertainment, and wants to have a lasting and meaningful legacy...the time is at hand for her to start thinking about going in a different direction from hot gyrating dance moves and barely there miniskirts