guitarslinger44 said:

I totally agree. But, I think the numbers bear out the fact that it's far harder for parents to be as involved as they should be if they're over-overworked and under-paid, drug-addicted and/or trying to keep it all together without a spouse or significant other to help shoulder the load emotionally, spiritually and financially.

Yawn

What more do these people want?

India Arie just went #1, and she is a positive image.

Prince closed BET Awards.

There are enough positive images of women out.

Dayspring said:

See, this is whay I hate when people post on shit they know nothing about. Jill's debut ALONE sold over 2 MILLION copies, so you need to do some research before you post.

Yawn

What more do these people want?

India Arie just went #1, and she is a positive image.

Prince closed BET Awards.

There are enough positive images of women out.

ThreadBare said:

No question but this leads 2 another point that bugs the crap out of me. If I'm POOR, riding the bus, and barely making it on my OWN, why in the hell would I have a kid? I have never understood that.....

Yawn

What more do these people want?

India Arie just went #1, and she is a positive image.

Prince closed BET Awards.

There are enough positive images of women out.

TonyVanDam said:

There's a crucial difference:

You might have had a few exceptions, but most heavy metal/rock bands with big hits that talked about women and sex with women didn't refer to them as hoes and b_tches. They didn't refer to each other or themselves in racial slurs either.

I wouldn't for a moment try to suggest the misogyny in that genre -- particularly in the 1980s -- wasn't explicit. MTV was practically built off of the "wink-and-nudge" naughtiness of sex in videos (Duran Duran's racy videos come to mind, too).

But the sheer number of rap artists who in the 1990s adopted disrespectful names for women, and wrote from a place of apathy and disrespect in general, was staggering. And, that continues in today's scene.

And, when you have a marginalized people (poorer blacks) who have embraced a devalued picture of themselves -- instead of combating mainstream society's devalued opinion of them with pride, collective excellence and unified industry -- their dysfunction becomes mass marketed as edgy, thuggish and street. The same way rock bands' rebellious images used to be cool.

The difference?

Most white families whose children bought into rock bands' rebellion had the financial resources to weather whatever real-life storms resulted from their children's behavior and decisions. Whereas black families -- even if they're led by two parents -- tend to have significantly less wealth (lower salaries and far less inherited wealth) at their disposal.

So, the urgency of Jill Scott's mission becomes a little clearer. Cycles of poor decisions by black young people can have -- and have had -- dire consequences with regard to breaking cycles of disenfranchisement.

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[Edited 7/6/06 6:24am]

Jill needs to stop being Save A Hoe

Last I checked blacks are doing better then they ever had, and that includes all the hoes, pimps, bitches, and niggas, sellouts, Toms, corporate niggas, Kufi headed brothers, 9 to 5, etc etc


Y just the other day Morehouse graduated 600 black men, the largest class ever in Morehouse history

Jill needs to worry about rasing her own kid, that's where it all starts

Jill needs to stop being Save A Hoe

Last I checked blacks are doing better then they ever had, and that includes all the hoes, pimps, bitches, and niggas, sellouts, Toms, corporate niggas, Kufi headed brothers, 9 to 5, etc etc


Y just the other day Morehouse graduated 600 black men, the largest class ever in Morehouse history

Jill needs to worry about rasing her own kid, that's where it all starts
[Edited 7/6/06 11:48am]

Jill needs to stop being Save A Hoe

Last I checked blacks are doing better then they ever had, and that includes all the hoes, pimps, bitches, and niggas, sellouts, Toms, corporate niggas, Kufi headed brothers, 9 to 5, etc etc


Y just the other day Morehouse graduated 600 black men, the largest class ever in Morehouse history

Jill needs to worry about rasing her own kid, that's where it all starts
[Edited 7/6/06 11:48am]

Jill needs to stop being Save A Hoe

Last I checked blacks are doing better then they ever had, and that includes all the hoes, pimps, bitches, and niggas, sellouts, Toms, corporate niggas, Kufi headed brothers, 9 to 5, etc etc


Y just the other day Morehouse graduated 600 black men, the largest class ever in Morehouse history

Jill needs to worry about rasing her own kid, that's where it all starts
[Edited 7/6/06 11:48am]

workingupahiyellasweat said:

The interesting thing about your posts is that they often center around using slurs to bait people. And, by your own admission -- on this thread, "What more do THESE PEOPLE want?" and "blacks are doing better than THEY ever had" -- you don't seem to consider yourself black.

So, what's the point behind your reliance on slurs in your posts?

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[Edited 7/6/06 12:22pm]

workingupahiyellasweat said:

BITCH didn't I tell you to shut the fuck up??

CalhounSq said:

workingupahiyellasweat said:

The interesting thing about your posts is that they often center around using slurs to bait people. And, by your own admission -- on this thread, "What more do THESE PEOPLE want?" and "blacks are doing better than THEY ever had" -- you don't seem to consider yourself black.

So, what's the point behind your reliance on slurs in your posts?

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[Edited 7/6/06 12:22pm]

sosgemini said:

So I can't quote/laugh at Calhoun's comment? no compute.

ThreadBare said:

I think what Peppeken is trying to say, is that it would be nice if the Beyonce's and Alicia Key's of the industry came out in support as well. Nothing against Jill.

TonyVanDam said:

There's a crucial difference:

You might have had a few exceptions, but most heavy metal/rock bands with big hits that talked about women and sex with women didn't refer to them as hoes and b_tches. They didn't refer to each other or themselves in racial slurs either.

I wouldn't for a moment try to suggest the misogyny in that genre -- particularly in the 1980s -- wasn't explicit. MTV was practically built off of the "wink-and-nudge" naughtiness of sex in videos (Duran Duran's racy videos come to mind, too).

But the sheer number of rap artists who in the 1990s adopted disrespectful names for women, and wrote from a place of apathy and disrespect in general, was staggering. And, that continues in today's scene.

And, when you have a marginalized people (poorer blacks) who have embraced a devalued picture of themselves -- instead of combating mainstream society's devalued opinion of them with pride, collective excellence and unified industry -- their dysfunction becomes mass marketed as edgy, thuggish and street. The same way rock bands' rebellious images used to be cool.

The difference?

Most white families whose children bought into rock bands' rebellion had the financial resources to weather whatever real-life storms resulted from their children's behavior and decisions. Whereas black families -- even if they're led by two parents -- tend to have significantly less wealth (lower salaries and far less inherited wealth) at their disposal.

So, the urgency of Jill Scott's mission becomes a little clearer. Cycles of poor decisions by black young people can have -- and have had -- dire consequences with regard to breaking cycles of disenfranchisement.

.
[Edited 7/6/06 6:24am]

goat2004 said:

Alicia once said that she would never take off her clothes when she performs,that she would never degrade herself that way.Too bad she didn't appear at this forum.

goat2004 said:

Alicia once said that she would never take off her clothes when she performs,that she would never degrade herself that way.Too bad she didn't appear at this forum.

DavidEye said:

That's cuz she was taking her clothes off before she blew up. I guess she's above that now.

Romera said:

She was? Damn, I missed that.