Dayspring said:

Damn. I must admit, you are consistent with your ignorance at least.

ThreadBare said:

I think what Peppeken is trying to say, is that it would be nice if the Beyonce's and Alicia Key's of the industry came out in support as well. Nothing against Jill.

BlaqueKnight said:

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Well, sad in relation to what Jill Scott is trying to say.
Now, I have nothing against women who "chose of their own free will" to be vid-hoes, do porno or pose naked.
But in the grand scheme of choices for the long haul, they aren't really top shelf imo.

What do they do once their looks fade?


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

Graycap23 said:

Once again, I was the FIRST to point that out. I'm always the first to speak the truth. Nobody wants to hear it, though. I'm like Jesus in that respect.

theAudience said:

ohh ok i get u.

Graycap23 said:

Exactly. What's missing is strong parental presence. I wouldn't let my kids (if I had any) watch that nonsense and I'd give them constructive things to replace it with. You can't control what they decide to do down the line but you hope you taught them well enough so that they'd avoid shaking their asses on t.v., disrespecting everybody including themselves, and promoting that nonsense just to make money.

theAudience said:

StoneCrib said:

minneapolisgenius said:

StoneCrib said:

how's that ignorant? she's a recording artist who hasn't sold a lot of records. how can she have a big fan base if very few people have bought her product?


and anyway, nothing you have to say on this thread matters as long as you've got that avatar

Dayspring said:

See, this is whay I hate when people post on shit they know nothing about. Jill's debut ALONE sold over 2 MILLION copies, so you need to do some research before you post.

And since you know so much, please tell me who the person is in my avatar? Can you, Mr. X-Men? Are you Charles Xavier? You can read minds and shit? Well impress the fuck outta me and please tell me who it is in my avatar.

peppeken said:

I think she's damn beautiful, inside and out.

VoicesCarry said:

Amen to that!

Dayspring said:

Adisa said:

If he only knew, huh?

I liked him better as GrayKing LOL!

purplerein said:

Not really, Bill...

When If first say the headline I had no idea who the Scott in question was and I asumed it was Kristen Scott-Thomas or whatever her name is...I was glad to hear it was Jill because I was starting to wonder what happened to her. Glad she made the news for making a statement like this. She's cool

Dayspring said:

Tom Petty had a valid point (and that was a great song). Joni was reaching and is kind of crazy (as was Billy Corgan..breaking up the Pumpkins). I think Jill is right and her comments aren't hurting anyone. She isn't that vicious but is just adding her voice to the converstaion about music and entertainment. I agree to an extent that far too many music stars just piss and moan to get their names in the paper but I don't think Jill really knew she would be a feature story like she was...she just wanted to make her point about the hotchies....and what is your problem with that. It's not like she has an album out or anything...

StoneCrib said:

Who cares?...Ugly people and fatties bought those records...Waaa...(sorry).

MESSAGE TO Stonecrib AND BlaqueKnight:

Speaking as a child of the 1980's, I remember Heavy Metal going through THE SAME kind of controversy that Hip-Hop/R&B/Rap is still going through:

Women is general were being use as sex objects in the videos.

Everything explict that I could see in a 50Cent/G-Unit video is no different than what I could see in a classic Motley Crue video.

But there is one major different that I think is racially motivated:

In the 1980's: The women were Vixens

In the later 1990's - 2000's: The women are Hoes & Bytches

Now can anyone please explain to me how in the hell did we allow THIS to happen? Who change the rules all of a sudden?

A woman was (and still is) a vixen if she really is beautiful & drop-dead fine. This is a positive thing to stay about a woman (IMHO).

I don't see anytime positive about calling a woman a ho or bitch at all.
[Edited 7/5/06 23:14pm]

TonyVanDam said:

so the young lady who bent over and let Nelly slide a credit card down her butt crack on the "Tip Drill" video is a vixen too??? wow.

missfee said:

No. Actually THAT's a exotic dancer that can take Visa or MasterCard only!!!

Seriously, you're missing the points.

I only should all of you how racist the entertainment industry is sending the wrong message.

I'll agree if THAT woman was white, it's still degrading. Except, the industry would call her a video vixen, not a video ho.

When it's all said and done, white women will never be single out as jungle bunnies. Just black women.

TonyVanDam said:

There's a crucial difference:

You might have had a few exceptions, but most heavy metal/rock bands with big hits that talked about women and sex with women didn't refer to them as hoes and b_tches. They didn't refer to each other or themselves in racial slurs either.

I wouldn't for a moment try to suggest the misogyny in that genre -- particularly in the 1980s -- wasn't explicit. MTV was practically built off of the "wink-and-nudge" naughtiness of sex in videos (Duran Duran's racy videos come to mind, too).

But the sheer number of rap artists who in the 1990s adopted disrespectful names for women, and wrote from a place of apathy and disrespect in general, was staggering. And, that continues in today's scene.

And, when you have a marginalized people (poorer blacks) who have embraced a devalued picture of themselves -- instead of combating mainstream society's devalued opinion of them with pride, collective excellence and unified industry -- their dysfunction becomes mass marketed as edgy, thuggish and street. The same way rock bands' rebellious images used to be cool.

The difference?

Most white families whose children bought into rock bands' rebellion had the financial resources to weather whatever real-life storms resulted from their children's behavior and decisions. Whereas black families -- even if they're led by two parents -- tend to have significantly less wealth (lower salaries and far less inherited wealth) at their disposal.

So, the urgency of Jill Scott's mission becomes a little clearer. Cycles of poor decisions by black young people can have -- and have had -- dire consequences with regard to breaking cycles of disenfranchisement.

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[Edited 7/6/06 6:24am]

ThreadBare said:

Exactly. And you use better words BTW!

Threaddy B, bringing the real.

ThreadBare said:

U hit the nail right on the head but what pisses me off is that MOST people don't seem 2 get this. Or don't want 2.....

ThreadBare said:

Definitely agree with pretty much every you've said here. Dysfundtion has been marketed as edgy and such for as long as the music industry has been around. Take Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie. Who gets more credit even though both of them had a huge hand in developing modern jazz? Parker, because he was the romanticized dysfunctional junkie wheras Gillespie was a family man and kept his mind right, yet was every bit as great a player (maybe even better!) as Parker.

The part I bolded is the only part I slightly disagree with. I wont' disagree about the money and the class issue, but I think it comes down to how involved the parents are. I knew kids in the small, relatively poor town I grew up in whose parents were INVOLVED! They didnt' have tons of money, but their folks would be damned if they were gonna let their kids get into that thug shit. Parental involvement is what separates the video "vixens" from the Jill Scotts of this world.

peppeken said:

Ugly?? WTF?!

Jill is a beautiful woman. Too bad you can't see her beauty.

guitarslinger44 said:

I totally agree. But, I think the numbers bear out the fact that it's far harder for parents to be as involved as they should be if they're over-overworked and under-paid, drug-addicted and/or trying to keep it all together without a spouse or significant other to help shoulder the load emotionally, spiritually and financially.