DavidEye said:

not at all. in her case, she's never sold any records.

Dayspring said:

Or - Here's a wild concept...Gee, could it be that SOME artists actaully STAND for something other than making money?

StoneCrib said:

Dayspring seems to think that Jill is just speaking up in order to "jump start" her career and sell more records as if this is the way to do that,lol.

its amazing how only ugly singers say crap like that

Where are the rappers at? Where is Nelly ("Mr.Tip Drill"),50 Cent and all those other clowns who routinely degrade women in their videos? Why aren't they at this panel to defend their bullshit? It would be interesting to hear their viewpoint,lol.

StoneCrib said:

The hell it did. Marilyn Manroe was a video hoe before there were music videos. Don't EVEN try to shift all the blame on brothas. Exploiting women's looks in movies gave birth to the video hoe trend and if you go back to the rock videos of the 80s, they were doing it back then before brothas were even on Mtv. Don't front. Go back and watch the "Cherry Pie" video. Video hoes galore. When its a WHITE GIRL, they're exempt from being video hoes, huh? Is that it?

BlaqueKnight said:

There's a difference between exploiting those with power and those who have historically been marginalized. Black people in general are still not given the same respect as whites. People already assume a hypersexuality of black people in our society. To further exploit black women simply for profit is sickening. The enslaved shouldn't further enslave.

CuntOMatic said:

I agree, nonetheless there is a double standard. When whites do it, its "tongue-in-cheek". When we do it, its the worst thing ever.

BlaqueKnight said:

Yeah, but in THIS case, the video hoes participation in Hip Hop are worse than the video hoes in Rock though, and also, they have more balance in other forms of their music - Pop for instance.

StoneCrib said:

BULLSHIT. Its ALL titilation. Don't contribute to that double standard nonesense. It no different when the video hoes are doing splits on cars than shaking theeir asses on poles. Just because sistas tend to be working with a little more and can throw it a little better doesn't make it any different. IF a guy starts a fight with Mike Tyson and gets his ass whooped, he's still the fight starter.

Or - Here's a wild concept...Gee, could it be that SOME artists actaully STAND for something other than making money?

StoneCrib said:

Good for Jill, I say.

BlaqueKnight said:

Bro, if you can show me a Rock/Pop video that is comparable to what is shown in Nelly's "Tip Drill," you will win this argument. Deal?

Let's stop using the White man as a reason/excuse on issues WE can control. Video Hoing is one of those issues.
[Edited 7/4/06 17:29pm]

StoneCrib said:

There used to be some instances of similar exploitation in the big hair rock videos of the 80s, but nothing to the extreme of recent "hip hop" (hip hop is dead, actually) videos.

Dayspring said:

She has a BIG fan-base tho and I think she's content with that alone

Dayspring said:

Or - Here's a wild concept...Gee, could it be that SOME artists actaully STAND for something other than making money?

CuntOMatic said:

Hell, it's so damn bad, BET has a whole hour dedicated to raunchy videos - BET UNCUT

Scott Urges Better Portrayal for Women
By KRISTIE RIEKEN, Associated Press Writer
57 minutes ago


Actor Shemar Moore, rapper Common and former video dancer, Karrine Steffans, who wrote the book "Confessions of a Video Vixen," concerning her exploits, were part of the discussion.

The panel addressed the dangers these images present to young girls and said education and self-esteem will help keep them from believing this is a proper representation of black women.

"Ladies you are queens and you need to believe it," Moore said. "What do you want and what are you willing to do to get it?"

Steffans believes a lack of self-esteem allowed her to degrade herself in videos for virtually all the big names in hip hop.

"I was always told I was ugly," she said. "I didn't realize my own power and my own worth."

Scott told the audience that if they are offended by these images, they should stop buying the albums and encourage the people in their lives to do the same.

"This is about choosing what we will allow in our lives," she said. "We can force things. We can change things. Challenge the music industry with your purchasing power."

Scott used an eloquent speech, interlaced with song, to illustrate that black women are more than their sexuality and that music should represent that.

"There are many stories to be told that aren't about our sexuality," Scott said.

I'm torn; exploitation sucks, but censorship REALLY sucks.

I'm torn; exploitation sucks, but censorship REALLY sucks.

CinisterCee said:

Nobody's talking about censorship. When you pay attention to and purchase crap, then you are obviously supporting the product. Money talks.

BlaqueKnight said:

Bro, if you can show me a Rock/Pop video that is comparable to what is shown in Nelly's "Tip Drill," you will win this argument. Deal?

Let's stop using the White man as a reason/excuse on issues WE can control. Video Hoing is one of those issues.
[Edited 7/4/06 17:29pm]

Dayspring said:

Or - Here's a wild concept...Gee, could it be that SOME artists actaully STAND for something other than making money?

BlaqueKnight said:

There's a difference between exploiting those with power and those who have historically been marginalized. Black people in general are still not given the same respect as whites. People already assume a hypersexuality of black people in our society. To further exploit black women simply for profit is sickening. The enslaved shouldn't further enslave.

StoneCrib said:

Imagine that, eh?

For the record, this 21 year old would pick Jill, Joni, and Tom over Britney et al any day.