TonyVanDam said:

man, if a song like this came out 2day, yall would clown it and call it crap, and you know it

krazykid18 said:

wow 357 is getting a lot of love here today.

PurpleCharm said:

man, i aint trying to clown the threadstarter, but i am being real, if a song like that came out 2day, people would clown it, and say it doesn't have social relevance, or it ain't street enough, and we all know it, but everybody likes to look at there era and past through a diamond glass, rather then be real, because this song is hot trash

krazykid18 said:

I think the difference krazykid is that there was more diversity back when that song was out. For every Juicy Got 'Em Crazy there was a "Fight The Power" by Public Enemy or a "You Must Learn" by BDP. In 2006, radio doesn't play anything to counter the fluff. It's all fluff.

PurpleCharm said:

while that is true, doo-doo is still doo-doo whether it comes out with satin, or plain ole tissue it is still shit, and that is what this song is, plain ole doo-doo

krazykid18 said:

First of all, Oaktown 357 is just one example of a kind of hip-hop that I was into back in the 1988-93 era: Party Rap! THIS kind of hip-hop was (still is) design to help maintain the positivity, make you dance & shake your ass!

Second of all (to back up PurpleCharm's main point), 1988-93 were the best days of REAL hip-hop. So many different style of rap (party, policial/social, gangsta, alterative, miami bass, breakbeats, etc.) were all getting equal playing time in the media. And we had options of what we wanted to hear in those days.

Sadly, those days were quietly coming to an end after 1993. Why? Because the music industry wanted to focus more on THAT one style (gangsta rap) that was generating the most profits. And all of the other rap styles suffer the punishment of being push back underground as the result.

I loved it then and I love it now. Good times, good times...

TonyVanDam said:

this is bullshit statement, by people who don't listen to rap or anything, what is Nelly considered, what is Eminem consider, what is Nas consider, what Kanye West considered, what is 50 Cent consider, what is Common consider, what is Ludacris considered, what is T.I. consider, what is Outkast consider, what is Method Man considered, what is Redman consider, what is Joe Budden consider, what is D4L considered, what is Ying Yang Twins and Lil Jon consider, what is Little Brother considered,

tell me what style of rap all these artist are, because with the exception of 50 Cent(50 Cent who makes great gangsta rap and great party music,but will get hated on because of his success, and that he is ego-driven) and T.I., the rest of them ain't really classified as gangsta rap,

and stop making excuse for doo-doo music, point blank, there is still an alternate if you want to listen to music, you just love to complain, and not look for good music, because it is crime that oaktown 357 crap could outsold Rakim,kool g. rap 4 to 1, leaves you something to think about when you start crying about all people care about is the mainstream crap, when it has been like that in rap since 1979.
[Edited 7/1/06 5:22am]

krazykid18 said:

Man, Kool G Rap is one of my top 5 dead or alive - but he ain't ever gonna sell records compared to party acts like Oaktown357.

I cant believe that someone compared Oaktown's 357 to Kool G Rap. They are two entirely different niches and dont deserve to be compared. What ever happened to having a diversified taste in music? Why do people judge people so harshly because they like a frivolous song or two sometimes. Sometimes I want to elevate my mind and consciousness, sometimes I dont wanna have a care in the world and I just wanna shake my ass. Music is universal people! There is an appropriate song for every occasion. If u dont like it, fine. U arent supposed to like everything. No one said u had to. Just stop with the snobery. It is NOT becomming.

dreamfactory313 said:

I remember this comment, when you start judging other's taste in music, and it snobbery to hate,but when you do it, you just have great taste in music, above others

krazykid18 said:

Im not sure what u remember reading but if you read my posts regularly, I rarely ever say anything negative about another artists work. If I dont appreciate the work, I'll usually refrain from posting. I dont go on tirades talking about how something is "crap" and anyone who likes it has no taste. I never do that. I do defend the artists that I enjoy and I state why I defend them. I never attack anyone for the type of music that they like.

dreamfactory313 said:

i accept that, it wasn't really stated at you, as it was stated at how this forum loves to hate on any artist, just because they don't like the music

I think the name of this place needs to be changed to oaktown357.org

Because they were MC Hammer protoges and they needed to fade into obscurity. The song sounds like Hammers's "Let's Get It Started"

Oaktown 357???? I mean why are we discussig this Hammer pants wering era of rap? Are you REALLY serious? It's been my experience that there really aren't a lot of folk that are into Hip Hop on this site. And this video is just proof. Good God.

How about this...remember the white female that tried to have a rap career 15 yrs ago? Tarrie B? And no....not gonna reminisce and show everyone the video...and then say that she was the truth back in the day.

Folks....we are truly showing our age.....this is what people said about OUR era whilst we were teenagers.

I'm surprised no one got on here and threw in their Tori Amos, Enya taste havin butts and passed judgment on what "real Hip Hop" is....

KatSkrizzle said:

nah this song sounds more like Hammer - Pray, now that is a sick song, i love how Hammer flipped that When Doves Cry beat.

Are you serious? it was HAMMER!!!

Gas Face! "Hammer! Shut the F...k UP! What do we think about Hammer?" Gas Face!

KatSkrizzle said:

Still the best Hammer song!

"My, my, my, my, my beat is ever boomin' and you know I get it started!"

krazykid18 said:

Check it out son:

Hip-Hop Culture is just under 30 years old. But rap (by itself) is a lot older than the both of us put together (Case in point: Scat came about during the early 20th century jazz community. Lena Horne can verify that Rap has THAT direct link with Scat. And James Brown & George Clinton use a lot of those elements for soul and earlier funk culture.

And let us not forget about Afrika Bambaataa (THE man who invented Hip-Hop Culture). He is THE only man on planet Earth that can tell anyone what is hip-hop. http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._Bambaataa

So before YOU get in the habit of prejudging you elders about thier musical perferences or the habit of defending the present state of Hip-Hop itself, making the time to study your black music history first.


Sidenote EDIT: I like Nelly, Nas, and (some of) Eminem's music. And Outkast is one of the best hip-hop/rap groups of all time (right after N.W.A. & Public Enemy of course).

TonyVanDam said:

LOL@ you trying to drop knowledge and then saying Africa Bambatta created hip hop culture, when everybody and there mother knows it is DJ Kool Herc,and then your using a website that a 2yr old can edit to make it factual but your older than me so you must be right,

Note to everybody make sure your info is 100% correct before you try to drop knowledge

krazykid18 said:

DJ Kool Herc only invented the scratching on the two turntables (the role of the DJ). The turntables idea already exist back in Jamanica (home of reggae & dancehall). Afrika invented the rules of the music, the party, the organization of it in NYC, & even gave the culture this name: Hip-Hop.

Apart from sampling Kraftwerk for Planet Rock, all of Afrika's music were built from the ground up with synths & drum machines.
[Edited 7/1/06 16:26pm]

TonyVanDam said:

yo i from NYC, i talked to Spyder D is the one who told me Kool Herc created hip hop in the bronx, Krs- One said Kool Herc called it Hip Hop on the Beef 1 DVD, these two people know about hip hop and rap then you will ever know, your using wikipedia for your source, and i am done argueing with you, you never answered my question to you, because point blank, you couldn't

krazykid18 said:

Well don't take it out on me, Go talk to Afrika Bambaataa about it. It was the godfather of Hip-Hop himself who confess to come up with the name: Hip-Hop.

And Afrika made THIS statement to Davey D!

http://www.daveyd.com/int...taa96.html

EDIT: BTW, I also acknowledge the major role DJ Kool Herc play in all of this...

http://www.zulunation.com...tory_2.htm
[Edited 7/1/06 18:23pm]

Davey D: How did you get involved with Hip-Hop?

A. Bambaataa I am one of the founders of Hip-Hop along with my brothers Kool DJ Herc and Grandmaster Flash. Kool Herc came to the shores of America from the island of Jamaica in 1969. He started jamming these slamming types of b-beats that we call break beats. I knew that as a DJ from 1970 on up that I would eventually come with this sound. I brought out all these other break beats that you hear so much on a lot of these records. It was for this reason I am called the Master of Records.

Davey D: A lot of people don't realize your reputation. Back in the days you use to shock everybody because you had so many records and so many beats from different sources of music. You definitely earned that title. When we talk about Hip-Hop how would you define it? Is it just one type of music? Is it a way that you present it? Or is it a conglomeration of a lot of different things?

A. Bambaataa People have to understand what you mean when you talk about Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop means the whole culture of the movement. When you talk about rap you have to understand that rap is part of the Hip-Hop culture. That means the emceeing is part of the Hip-Hop culture. The Deejaying is part of the Hip-Hop culture. The dressing, the languages are all part of the Hip Hop culture. So is the break dancing, the b-boys and b-girls. How you act, walk, look and talk is all part of Hip Hop culture. And the music is colorless. Hip Hop music is made from Black, brown, yellow, red and white. It's from whatever music that gives that grunt, that funk, that groove, that beat. That's all part of Hip Hop.

Davey D: So is music on the west coast considered Hip Hop? I ask that cause you have a lot of people who keep insisting that artist like Too Short or E-40 is not real Hip Hop. Is that a false definition?

A. Bambaataa Yes, that's a false definition. Too Short, E-40 and all the brothers and sisters that's making Hip Hop and coming from the funk side part of it is all Hip Hop. The electro-funk, which is that ‘Planet Rock’ sound which is led to the Miami Bass sound, is also Hip Hop. The GoGo sound that you hear from Washington DC is also Hip Hop. The New Jack Swing that Teddy Riley and all them started is R&B and Hip Hop mixed together. So Hip Hop has progressed into different sounds and different avenues. Also people have got to recognize from Hip Hop music came the birth of House music and Freestyle dance music that is listened to by a lot of Puerto Ricans.

Davey D: Now can you repeat that again. I keep telling people all the time that Latin Freestyle and Hi Energy music is part of Hip Hop. I keep telling people that a lot of the early freestyle producers were original Hip Hoppers. I keep telling them how the Puerto Ricans took the fast uptempo break beats from songs like 'Apache' and developed freestyle.

A. Bambaataa Actually freestyle really comes from 'Planet Rock'. If you listen to all the freestyle records you'll hear that they are based on 'Planet Rock'. All the Miami Bass records are based upon Planet Rock. So freestyle came from Electro Funk, which as you know came from Hip Hop.
[Edited 7/1/06 18:26pm]

TonyVanDam said:

LOL Are you in your early 30's. I'm asking because the years you gave for the music you love are the same dates I use.

MC Hammer made it fun. I miss the Hammer.

Salt~n~pepa and Kid~n~play made it fun too.
Kwame
[Edited 7/1/06 23:43pm]

k7i2m3 said:

Age 31 (although I can pass for 25).
[Edited 7/2/06 0:03am]