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Printableheartbeatocean said: Krystal666 said: It seems simple to alot of people...but for a woman who is being abused it is not that simple. My mother, sister and I used to live at alot of different battered women's shelters for a while and the men that do that have alot of control over those women. Sometimes the women think he if he gets crazy jealous that that is what passion is, it is somehow romantic..and they think "He must really love me if he gets that jealous over me" or maybe they can't leave the man financialy. Or they have kids and don't wanna break up the family. To a healthy person such as yourself it seems insane that a woman would want to do that...but sometimes those cycles just repeat themselves because that is the way women think a man should treat them..or they think that that is what they deserve or sometimes they are really in love with the man...like he can be nice and tender and be kind...and then he gets mad and turns into a monster. Alot of women think "Oh well that was my fault..." It's werid but alot of women know that it is wrong but they just hope that he will change...because they are in love with the man when he is nice. Yes! A woman may be trying to hold onto the love, which is also real... because abusers are human beings, not just monsters. Also if a person comes from an abusive background, it can be hard to avoid repeating it because they don't have a strong frame of reference in their life experience to sustain a healthy relationship. They may not have caught the signs when they first got involved with the fellow and breakups are traumatic enough, without fear, insecurity, threats, and severe mind games being played -- especially if jealousy is rampant. Jealousy serves to control and disconnect a person from their support system -- from many different kinds of connections and relationships in their lives and can leave a person on a very unstable ground. Your very smart. I like reading what you have to say.  | |
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heartbeatocean said: theAudience said: Point taken. This is what happens when folks put their icons on pedastals above themselves.
 Wonder how the fams would react if something like this came out about Prince?
Would the rationalizations start to fly? tA  Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 I'm not the least bit interested in whether Jimi did or did not do it. I wouldn't be surprised, though, as he had some problems. I have also heard women describe him as extremely gentle and kind.
As for Princey...I see him as more of a feminist.  I know not everyone does, but I do. His lyrics seem very genuine to me, and feminist. So I would be surprised, in his case. (although according to Purple Rain, there was domestic abuse in his family, so maybe he could be a Jekyll and Hyde...) But he's a much more stable person who has sustained a very long career and not a victim of drug abuse, etc...
Jimi, on the other hand, seems a little less enlightened as far his lyrics go... Foxy Lady!!!! So the content of their art does say something about them as people, to me and I do look at these things and appreciate them for what they are. Love Hendrix for his wild guitar playing (and his clothes!!!  ), love Princey for his feminist sensibility, his spirituality, his eroticism, and everything else...
I did have problems with Princey's Cinnamon Girl video and it's portrayal of a suicide bomber however. Then I went through a period of disillusionment and hurt, and then forgave him eventually. you know nothing about jimi hendrix if you think he was all about clothes ...wild guitar playing and foxy ladys.....he was about as Spiritual...thoughtful..and deep as any musician before or since his time !!! [Edited 6/28/06 14:30pm] | |
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StoneCrib said: UncleGrandpa said: The point has been well established, don't hit or put your hands on any one, man, woman, child etc... it is wrong to do so.
So you mean to tell me if a man abducted your child and you were there to help you wouldn't touch the man? Or if someone came up to you and just punched the shit out of you in the face you'd stand there and do nothing? It is always wrong to be violent to anyone. But sometimes very necessary. "Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system" - Bruce Lee | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Never judge an artist by his or her lyrics. If you don't know them, you don't know them. Period.
This is totally right. Their lyrics may inspire us, they may contain great truths, but it doesn't mean it's how the artist actually lives their life. My Legacy
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prettymansson said: heartbeatocean said: I'm not the least bit interested in whether Jimi did or did not do it. I wouldn't be surprised, though, as he had some problems. I have also heard women describe him as extremely gentle and kind.
As for Princey...I see him as more of a feminist. I know not everyone does, but I do. His lyrics seem very genuine to me, and feminist. So I would be surprised, in his case. (although according to Purple Rain, there was domestic abuse in his family, so maybe he could be a Jekyll and Hyde...) But he's a much more stable person who has sustained a very long career and not a victim of drug abuse, etc...
Jimi, on the other hand, seems a little less enlightened as far his lyrics go... Foxy Lady!!!! So the content of their art does say something about them as people, to me and I do look at these things and appreciate them for what they are. Love Hendrix for his wild guitar playing (and his clothes!!! ), love Princey for his feminist sensibility, his spirituality, his eroticism, and everything else...
I did have problems with Princey's Cinnamon Girl video and it's portrayal of a suicide bomber however. Then I went through a period of disillusionment and hurt, and then forgave him eventually. you know nothing about jimi hendrix if you think he was all about clothes ...wild guitar playing and foxy ladys.....he was about as Spiritual...thoughtful..and deep as any musician before or since his time !!! [Edited 6/28/06 14:30pm] oh, I'm just kidding. I wasn't really on this thread to respond to Jimi (I haven't even read the initial post)...just got caught up in the discussion somehow... I agree with you. | |
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NDRU said: BlaqueKnight said: Never judge an artist by his or her lyrics. If you don't know them, you don't know them. Period.
This is totally right. Their lyrics may inspire us, they may contain great truths, but it doesn't mean it's how the artist actually lives their life. No, but a great lyricist/songwriter has something to say...and may reflect their beliefs/worldview in a genuine way. I would say you can judge an artist by the lyrics but not the person by their lyrics. Others, the lyrics aren't what it's about. | |
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luv4all7 said: heartbeatocean said: Yes! A woman may be trying to hold onto the love, which is also real... because abusers are human beings, not just monsters. Also if a person comes from an abusive background, it can be hard to avoid repeating it because they don't have a strong frame of reference in their life experience to sustain a healthy relationship. They may not have caught the signs when they first got involved with the fellow and breakups are traumatic enough, without fear, insecurity, threats, and severe mind games being played -- especially if jealousy is rampant. Jealousy serves to control and disconnect a person from their support system -- from many different kinds of connections and relationships in their lives and can leave a person on a very unstable ground. Your very smart. I like reading what you have to say. Don't ask me how I know all this.  | |
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heartbeatocean said: NDRU said: This is totally right. Their lyrics may inspire us, they may contain great truths, but it doesn't mean it's how the artist actually lives their life. No, but a great lyricist/songwriter has something to say...and may reflect their beliefs/worldview in a genuine way. I would say you can judge an artist by the lyrics but not the person by their lyrics. Others, the lyrics aren't what it's about. True, but now we're getting to the difference between artist & person. I think Blaqueknight meant "Never judge a person by their lyrics." Maybe not, but I think so. And at that level I agree, you should judge an artist based on their work and a person based on their personality (which only their friends & family would know). Most of us seem to be in agreement on that. My Legacy
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DavidEye said: SPYZFAN1 said: Sly used to beat his (then) wife Kathy Silva. She said in a 1990 People magazine interview that he would beat her and lock her up in a closet for a day or so when he was high on drugs. Sly was notorious for doing that to women during the making of the "Riot" LP.
Deborah Santana (Carlos's wife) was also abused by Sly in the early 70s when she was dating him.He slapped her and forced her to have an abortion.She writes about this in her book 'Space Between The Stars',a very good book,btw. Gotta look for that one...  | |
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