The point has been well established, don't hit or put your hands on any one, man, woman, child etc... it is wrong to do so. It is also foolish to vilify someone who has been dead for thirty five years and has no family left to either defend his legacy or correct the errors, what's in the past is just that, in the past. What would have been the better alternative, an over indulgent drug abuser that Jimi became who bedded countless women BUT was nice to them or a sober, well adjusted Jimi who may or may not have hit women during his life? I doubt people will ever stop idolizing celebrities and deifying them, placing standards on them that most humans could never reach. Plus, if you're going to be consistent to your stand that misogyny and abuse is wrong and should not be tolerated, apply that TO EVERYONE in your life, hold them accountable and if they seek forgiveness, grant it to them as GOD has instructed. If the only thing anyone ever remembered about you is all of your failings and faults, you may as well lock yourself in your room and die alone.

Aside from some of the examples given already, what are your thoughts on Sid Vicious, Al Green, Chuck Berry, Phil Spector and plenty of other men in music history who had bad relationships with women, who have been accused of despicable behavior towards women during their lives, should their names be tarnished forever?

UncleGrandpa said:

There's nothing wrong with sleeping with lots of women!
All the entertainers who have beaten women are SKUM; i have NO RESPECT for them!

theAudience said:

mikek1 said:

While you may have a minor point with entertainers getting a lion's share of sex, isn't that a lesser form of abuse towards women than the direct form? And was the woman from the article you presented complicit in her dealings with Jimi, after all she was cheating on her then husband ( who was probably star struck ), stood idly by while Jimi sowed his " Wild " oats and possibly took drinks and drugs with him? She has to be accountable for her actions as well. YES, the point has been made overwhelmingly that abuse towards women is despicable, does that one sin
stand out above all others?

UncleGrandpa said:

NO SEX ISN'T A FORM OF ABUSE! Every adult should have as much sex as possible!

BlaqueKnight said:

I couldn't have said it better myself.

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

a bit harsh, maybe

I have read and owned this book and every other major hendrix book in existance...theres Much that can be said about this women beating stuff...but IMO ...any women down with the pace of Jimi hendrix and all that came with it...knew she was on a wild roller coaster that 100% would fly off the tracks from time to time !

NDRU said:

Maybe, but at times people are so obsessed with celebrity/cult of personality that they forget that their icons have human failings too.

I don't condone what Jimi allegedly did, but it wouldn't change how I view him as an artist. I really have no interest in the day to day happenings of idols because although this may sound harsh, I only llike them for what they do (their product).

Why get consumed by allegations of what Jimi, Prince, or any one else may have done in private?

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

I agree with his sentiment (I said much the same thing earlier about appreciating only what you really know, which is their talents), it's the "serves you assholes right" that kind of rubs me wrong.

NDRU said:

I hear ya....

FunkMistress said:

I understand it's not that cut and dry hence my comment "that wasn't the only thing I pointed to". I'm VERY sensitive to any abuse towards women from some punk-ass cat. I do understand Ocean's post as I do yours. I just get violent ass thoughts and actions when regarding this shit, that's all.

mikek1 said:[quote]


Ohh you missed the whole point I was trying to make. At that moment in that day and on that year if we were "SIMS" Jimi after all the influences of drugs and otherwise do you think we could change the outcome? I don't have a answer for you. Because I wasn't in Jimi's life. Of course there should be no reason to hit a woman but it happens and that's what Im getting at. It's a critical thinking type situation.

Personally Jimi could have DDT'd Mother Theresa and paralyzed her.

I'd say "That's s shame and deplorable but did you see how he played at Isle of Wight? Hell YEA MF! "

UncleGrandpa said:

So you mean to tell me if a man abducted your child and you were there to help you wouldn't touch the man?

Or if someone came up to you and just punched the shit out of you in the face you'd stand there and do nothing?

StoneCrib said:

In the vein of this particular topic, hitting women in a drunken, jealous rage or out of anger, YES IT IS Wrong. That is what I meant. The scenario you're describing would would get the assailant killed or seriously injured and yes I would gladly do the hitting if that was the case, don't miss the point.

Hit your woman cause the Yankees lost : WRONG
Hit your woman cause she's cheating on you with another: WRONG

If a person cold cocks you out of the blue: Wait a second, think it over and fight back if they're still swinging.

Kidnapping MY child while I'm sitting there: YES and if I had a weapon and knew how to use it, plan a funeral for that person.

MY point is made. Thank you.

UncleGrandpa said:

Oh ok, just making sure. Because I, MYSELF, was gonna bust you in the jaw if you didn't see it that way.

SPYZFAN1 said:

Just out of curiosity, what did Charles Mingus and Sly stone do. I've heard stories of them being violent, but in both cases it was towards other men, other male musicians even

An artist's personal life does nothing but inform my appreciation of the art. I try not to judge the person-- unless they're hacks like R. Kelly or Tommy Lee . Having said that I am disappointed to hear that Jimi could be violent, but not surprised. I myself have issues and that's part of what fuels my own art. It comes with the territory I suppose. However, I hope I'm never around people like those Jimi was around. Nobody I know would let me get away with that crap-- then again maybe they'd change if I became famous .

Anyway, it's obvious these people didn't care about Jimi at all. They were starstruck if anything. Just like anybody who would make excuses for what he allegedly did.

Mingus used to smack his wife around. He was married to a white woman and I'm surprised that back then he was able to get away with it. Sly used to beat his (then) wife Kathy Silva. She said in a 1990 People magazine interview that he would beat her and lock her up in a closet for a day or so when he was high on drugs. Sly was notorious for doing that to women during the making of the "Riot" LP.

SPYZFAN1 said:

Deborah Santana (Carlos's wife) was also abused by Sly in the early 70s when she was dating him.He slapped her and forced her to have an abortion.She writes about this in her book 'Space Between The Stars',a very good book,btw.

blackguitaristz said:

It seems simple to alot of people...but for a woman who is being abused it is not that simple. My mother, sister and I used to live at alot of different battered women's shelters for a while and the men that do that have alot of control over those women. Sometimes the women think he if he gets crazy jealous that that is what passion is, it is somehow romantic..and they think "He must really love me if he gets that jealous over me" or maybe they can't leave the man financialy. Or they have kids and don't wanna break up the family. To a healthy person such as yourself it seems insane that a woman would want to do that...but sometimes those cycles just repeat themselves because that is the way women think a man should treat them..or they think that that is what they deserve or sometimes they are really in love with the man...like he can be nice and tender and be kind...and then he gets mad and turns into a monster. Alot of women think "Oh well that was my fault..." It's werid but alot of women know that it is wrong but they just hope that he will change...because they are in love with the man when he is nice.

heartbeatocean said:

blackguitaristz said:

that's cool. thanks for clarifying...

Krystal666 said:

Yes! A woman may be trying to hold onto the love, which is also real... because abusers are human beings, not just monsters. Also if a person comes from an abusive background, it can be hard to avoid repeating it because they don't have a strong frame of reference in their life experience to sustain a healthy relationship. They may not have caught the signs when they first got involved with the fellow and breakups are traumatic enough, without fear, insecurity, threats, and severe mind games being played -- especially if jealousy is rampant. Jealousy serves to control and disconnect a person from their support system -- from many different kinds of connections and relationships in their lives and can leave a person on a very unstable ground.

theAudience said:

I'm not the least bit interested in whether Jimi did or did not do it. I wouldn't be surprised, though, as he had some problems. I have also heard women describe him as extremely gentle and kind.

As for Princey...I see him as more of a feminist. I know not everyone does, but I do. His lyrics seem very genuine to me, and feminist. So I would be surprised, in his case. (although according to Purple Rain, there was domestic abuse in his family, so maybe he could be a Jekyll and Hyde...) But he's a much more stable person who has sustained a very long career and not a victim of drug abuse, etc...

Jimi, on the other hand, seems a little less enlightened as far his lyrics go... Foxy Lady!!!!

So the content of their art does say something about them as people, to me and I do look at these things and appreciate them for what they are. Love Hendrix for his wild guitar playing (and his clothes!!! ), love Princey for his feminist sensibility, his spirituality, his eroticism, and everything else...

I did have problems with Princey's Cinnamon Girl video and it's portrayal of a suicide bomber however. Then I went through a period of disillusionment and hurt, and then forgave him eventually.

BlaqueKnight said:

let's agree to disagree on that one.

i say, keep on slappin hendrix

heartbeatocean said:

hilarious