GC, this is ya 2nd thread on the BPP, bro, what's up? Did you get ya Black Panther Card this month? LOL! Just fuckin' wit' ya, playa. And I highly doubt the govt gives a damn about rap music to be a driving force behind its negative images and messages.

can we please stop all the "i hate rap" "rap is bad for black people" type threads please, it is very annoying...

all hip hop is not ignorant.

missfee said:

Do u have ANY idea how Black Americans are preceived around the world based on the images and impact of RAP? It's a SERIOUS question.

I find it very interesting that RAP and the B.S. that it represents can be tolerated 4 years with no end in sight, yet the U.S. gov't either KILLED or put in jail almost every member of the Black Panther Party in a matter of a few months.

I ask myself, why is that? All the Black Panther party stood for was RIGHTS for Black people and something positive, yet it was SHUT down with quickness.

Rap stands 4 nothing that I consider positive, has MAJOR negative effects on our community and how we are perceived WORLD wide, yet it is left 2 strive. What's wrong with this picture?

Graycap23 said:

like i said before all rap isn't bad.

so you put mos def and common in the same category?? Even Public Enemy, A tribe called quest too???

okay so this is your opinion right, you see a MAJOR problem with rap being negative, so my question for you is this....:

what are you going to do about it to change it?

LOL! Just fuckin' wit' ya, playa. And I highly doubt the govt gives a damn about rap music to be a driving force behind its negative images and messages.

StoneCrib said:

My second post on the Panthers? Hummmmm I don't think so. Someone else did post a question but it was NOT me.

Graycap23 said:

Wait, didn't you ask someone for help on who and what the Black Panthers were and then it was moved to P&R? I coulda swore that was you, bro.

StoneCrib said:

But that is EXACTLY my point. Why shut down something that was trying 2 help the community in the Panthers? Yet allow something like the KKK to exist for 100 plus years?

StoneCrib said:

Naw dogg.....I don't need any help in that department.

StoneCrib said:

But that is EXACTLY my point. Why shut down something that was trying 2 help the community in the Panthers? Yet allow something like the KKK to exist for 100 plus years?

Graycap23 said:

Because the BPP, in the minds of many, black and white, was basically the Black version of the KKK and were considered VERY dangerous. THAT the Govt DID fear so they shut them down.

StoneCrib said:

Dangerous when a Black man actually stands up for himself. Ain't that
some shit.

Graycap23 said:

I thought you knew? The black man is the most feared and most hunted human on the planet.

Graycap23 said:

yes this is true. I agree with you on this, but what can you do about the KKK existing for 100 plus years? People have died trying to fight not only the KKK but other hate groups as well, and yet they still exist. I really dont plan on getting my M-16 and wiping all of them out because that will make me just as bad as them.

missfee said:

Honestly.....one thing that we CAN do is stop these clowns that heap NEGATIVE images upon us around the WORLD. U know EXACTLY who am am talking about. Our game is NOT tight right now. I don't know if it EVER will be.

Graycap23 said:

I find it very interesting that RAP and the B.S. that it represents can be tolerated 4 years with no end in sight, yet the U.S. gov't either KILLED or put in jail almost every member of the Black Panther Party in a matter of a few months.

I ask myself, why is that? All the Black Panther party stood for was RIGHTS for Black people and something positive, yet it was SHUT down with quickness.

Rap stands 4 nothing that I consider positive, has MAJOR negative effects on our community and how we are perceived WORLD wide, yet it is left 2 strive. What's wrong with this picture?

Graycap23 said:

Progress produces mixed results.

Today's Huey Newton can get a law gig on Wall Street. Today's Malcolm Little is as likely to pic up a mic and keep it gangsta as he is to reform himself in jail. Today's Martin Luther King might build a megachurch.

The hip-hop revolutionaries on wax that once flourished are now silenced by supply and demand of hit-pop. They either adjust to what's on and poppin' or they lose their record deal. That's what happens to any art form made accessible to the mass audience. There's too much money to make in the music to worry about content. It don't have to be good to be profitable.

But hip-hop was different, because WAS the most credible voice of black people, from Melle Mel to PE to Ice Cube and Digable Planets. But then MCs became movie characters (in life and in death), romanticizing glamour, glitz, gin, and guns. Now Mike Jones is a star and Q-Tip can't get an album released.

The impact of hip-hop on the community for better or worse is only a symptom of a larger problem. It fills the void in black culture, and American culture in general. Right now, with more bad than good.
[Edited 6/23/06 16:20pm]

Graycap23 said:

u just answered ur question man

namepeace said:

you should write a book, this is well stated.

The Panthers represented Black Pride and after violence was used to keep them down, they armed themselves. The FBI (under Hoover) used a program called Coinpol (or something like that) which employed Newspaper Columnists, broadcasters and a network of public relations companies that were all used to smear black leaders and assassinate leaders. (The Weathermen exposed these facts in the media in the early 70s). The gov treated anyone that questioned their motives, demonstrated or had any pride other than patriotic pride as a threat to be eliminated.

With that said, rap music is just the voice of the people in modern day times. It reflects what it reflects and it's sad that it's not Black Pride but why is that? Parents not teaching their kids? Communities not being as close and schools lacking in education? No real leaders/role models to look up to? Technology making the field a little more open to minorities/women and the world?

To me all the answers here are "yes" but I'll echo what Missfee said, "What are WE going to do about it?"

Graycap23 said:

Wait, didn't you ask someone for help on who and what the Black Panthers were and then it was moved to P&R? I coulda swore that was you, bro.

StoneCrib said:

That would have been Prospect that posted it.

I find it very interesting that RAP and the B.S. that it represents can be tolerated 4 years with no end in sight, yet the U.S. gov't either KILLED or put in jail almost every member of the Black Panther Party in a matter of a few months.

I ask myself, why is that? All the Black Panther party stood for was RIGHTS for Black people and something positive, yet it was SHUT down with quickness.

Rap stands 4 nothing that I consider positive, has MAJOR negative effects on our community and how we are perceived WORLD wide, yet it is left 2 strive. What's wrong with this picture?

can we please stop all the "i hate rap" "rap is bad for black people" type threads please, it is very annoying...

all hip hop is not ignorant.

StoneCrib said:

Unfortunately this is the truth .