krazykid18 said:

How old are you?

goat2004 said:

wow...i've never noticed how hot you are...

BlaqueKnight said:

I love these threads

I have bitched about rap since the very early 1990s when I was around 21 or 22 and all my friends (black friends, by the way) were bitching too. I also grew up on hardcore funk and the majority of it never crossed over. I'm the one that bitches about Shitney Houston because she came out as a crossover act and so many people followed behind her.

While you're talking about black people who hate rap to please "massa", you've got it backwards. Record companies and Clear Channel are massa. Massa is looking for acts that he doesn't have to spend much money on for things such as instruments and band members to play them. He's also looking for people who he can cheat very well. He wants people who are happy with small things instead of big things. He wants to spend as little money as possible and make as much money possible. He loves people that make music to entertain his white kids and keep up a violent image they can view from a distance from their suburbs. He also loves people who "keep it real" and talk about any black person that goes against him. The ones pleasing "massa" are the rappers.
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If u are an artist whose work has a NEGATIVE impact on those who come in contact with your art, what good are u?

The difference between blasting hip hop & blasting rock is that since hip hop is so bass heavy it invades our lives more than rock.

You can't hear Metallica from a mile away but you can hear (or at least feel) hip hop from far far away. You can't escape it.

Rap (much like any other genre) has its good and bad. To this day, I still dig Ice Cube, 2 Pac, PE, and some others. The message in some of their work resonanted strongly, but I really hate what rap has devolved into.


The only issue I really have with it is the images that are beamed into millions of homes. As a teacher, the behaviors/stereotypes of these rap vids are imitated by far too many young people and what irritates me is how the hip-hop culture seems to turn a blind eye toward the long lasting effects of the music on our youth, regardless of color. Granted, they are not the moral police, so some problems stem from external factors (home, family, etc).


Somewhere along the way, hip hop lost its soul and has turned into a corporate entity without regard for the community.

NDRU said:

BULLSHIT. The human ear hears mid frequencies more clearly than anything. If anything, it can seem LOUDER. The complaints are CULTURAL. People who don't like rap for whatever reason don't want to hear it anytime, much less blasting. Shit's not physiological at all. Its psycological.

BlaqueKnight said:

I'm not saying that people don't hate hip hop for racist reasons, but don't accuse me of that, you don't know me.

Just because you don't hear bass as clearly doesn't mean it's not rattling my walls & windows.

Guitar may be more irritating and harder on your ears at a high volume, but bass travels farther and is harder to block out.

NDRU said:

I spoke nothing of race. I said culture.
Anything that you don't like or listen to is going to iritate you more than something you do, thius making it less tolerable. Psychological rather than physiological.
Bass does travel greater distances but tolerance of it is subjective.
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BlaqueKnight said:

Your point about the psychological is true (and that's a much bigger problem that musical tastes), but there are physiological differences, too. The same psychologial & physiological differences that make some people hate rock, like you described.

When you soundproof a place, it's much harder to block the bass--any bass, whether it's music or movies or whatever. But nothing has as much bass as hip hop--yet.

I like hip hop, I just don't want to be forced to listen to (or actually feel) someone else's music.
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BlaqueKnight said:

true, even my neighbor with her classical music

BlaqueKnight said:

..ABSOLUTELY....it's just a matter of consideration, some folks are considerate, some aren't..some are oblivious that they may be annoying or offending anyone...

The problem is that everyone (me included) thinks their own music is great and that everyone else's music is annoying.

roodboi said:

It's so sad when someone named roodboi on a website dedicated to Prince Rogers Nelson counsels us on the need to be considerate so as not to offend....

..even a roodboi knows that there's a time and place to act an ass...I'm all for lewd lyrics and loud music..but I refuse to MAKE another person listen to my shit and I expect the same consideration...of course I realize that what I expect and what I get are two different things...so don't be sad, just understand that this roodboi actually gives a fuck...

NDRU said:

What the hell? You are joking right? I'm lost for words! Please tell me you're joking.

skilletnomicrowave said:

We've been through this, but I'll explain what I meant.

It's just that bass frequencies are the hardest to soundproof--they penetrate thick walls. Hip hop puts a greater emphasis on bass sounds than any other kind of music. Okay, maybe I should include house & techno, too.

Guitar may be annoying at close range, but it's not the kind of thing that rattles your teeth from 1/2 a mile away through closed doors & windows.

Yes, you can annoy people with any kind of music, and it's inconsiderate to your neighbors to blast classical, too.

Also, I'm talking about stereos. Live instruments are a different story. Your neighbor playing trumpet or guitar may be more annoying than the one who listens to hip hop.
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