A media blitz, a well-publicized, promoted & clearly defined tour & a free concert in his hometown mean CDs selling left & right. 3 Manhattan stores - I'm talking big chains - were completely sold out before noon.

IrishEcho said:

um...good for him...

yey, Bruce, U2, REM... are the proof that rock stars can be on a major compagny, if they deal cleverly their contracts, without being "slaves".

rio said:

Yeah, it is, cock smoker. And since this is the Other Artists board, I can only assume you posted what you did because you're a sad little prick with a tired vendetta against me personally. Pathetic.

IrishEcho said:

This, from the same person who follows Calhounsq around to harrass her from thread to thread.

Yeah, so?

CalhounSq knows very well why I follow her around. She could very easily ignore me, as she claimed she would several times. She can't manage that, because she's quite obviously one of those last-word types. And incidentally, who the frig are you? Her knight in shining stupidity?

IrishEcho said:

hmm..so i guess you're off your no swearing policy, eh?

'pathetic' could also be defined as a person who sleeps outside a theater with a bunch of 35-year-old men for the fifth installment of a 'trilogy...' hehheh...

don't waste your whole hour and a half spent on prince.org on me..there may still be people you can 'shock' or 'offend' with your 'controversial' statements...

Supernova said:

exactly...just more hypocrisy from the lovely irish a-hole...

by the way..nobody sells more albums than nsync..so what's your point?

KellyAnnEcho said:

Precisely. Good going, Echo!
I knew you'd get it right sooner or later. There's hope for you yet!

rio said:

He's such a project.

jnoel said:

Yea and another point is Bruce waited almost ten years to get back with the E Street Band and the album is getting good reviews. If Prince got the Revolution back or even Andre Cymone. Dez and the Dr., and they recorded on a level even close to Dirty Mind-Purple Rain period I think you would see the little man selling some serious amount of records too.

i too saw springsteen on the cover of TIME magazine... and thought ... 'now here is a man ... with some well-timed material ... and a great media blitz... '... after reading the article ... one can't wonder how much the man kinda is riding the 9/11 media- circus... but , hey ... good for him ... i have always liked Bruce ... for all u prince fams ... i said "liked"- not "loved" ...

but cant help but also think ...how ... a well-timed video for "last december" ... with clips of the trade towers, families ... etc ... couldve been a great boost for Prince's album ... maybe some or all of it goin to charity ... etc ...

for those of u who dont know ... Bruce evidently wrote some of his songs about the families of the 9/11 tragedies ... got together with his old band ... and recorded it in less than 8 weeks , i think ... it is getting great reviews from what i can tell ... just my opinion...

The main point of this thread should not be ignored: Prince could learn a thing or two from "The Boss."

I have never been a Bruce fan, but the "The Rising" CD and tour media campaign has been brilliant. Today, he was prominently featured in the San Francsico Chronicle, complete with a frontpage headline, an announcement of his tour, and a full length review of the CD in the Datebook section of the paper.

I suspect that reviewers and writers have a much easier job covering an artist like Springsteen, than they do with Prince. They do not have to wade through his personal or religious idiosyncrasies when approaching his music. His record label, Columbia, probably provided the rugged promo photos and thoughtful analysis of the songs as they relate to September 11. And his moves are easy to track - "there's going to be a tour, here are the dates, etc."

Prince and Springsteen have little in common - thank goodness. But sometimes I wish that Prince would allow a few media-savvy handlers to help him receive the promotion that his art rightfully deserves, particularly at this luminous stage in his career.

People need to realize that there will never be a correlation between Prince's post WB career, and that of those who are signed to major labels. The money for the media blitz is not one of the resources for indie artists. Period.

Short of signing with a major label again, the only thing to rectify this is to start one's own label to compete with the behemoths of the industry, a la Berry Gordy in the late 50s. And I doubt Prince has any interest in doing such a thing.

Could Prince have a more successful promo campaign (compared to what he has now) without a major label? Yes. But it will never equate to the maximum push that a major label can give him.

The path of the indie artist and that of a Columbia/Sony artist is not a level playing field. Not even close. The comparison is of a watermelon to a banana. So the correlation doesn't have much of a basis. Prince is out of the loop of the mainstream, and he has chosen to be. Of course Springsteen can promote an album. Look at who is pushing him.

So,have any of you heard the new album? Write us a review!

rio said:[quote]

IrishEcho said:

hmm..so i guess you're off your no swearing policy, eh?

& I see you, like so many others can't quite keep to your "I'm going to ignore you from now on" policy." Oh, & why not continue to ignore why I actually posted what I did, which was to point out how YOU are just as guilty as anyone with your sorry little vendetta. Your comment on this thread was made for no other reason than your pathetic personal animosity.

'pathetic' could also be defined as a person who sleeps outside a theater with a bunch of 35-year-old men for the fifth installment of a 'trilogy...' hehheh...

Well, maybe so, but that wouldn't apply to me. Assuming you're refering to Star Wars, because that's about the only "material" someone of your limited mental capacity can come up with, I preordered my ticket online & arrived at the theater not very long before the first screening on opening day. Incidentally, what a lot of those lines of 35 year old men accomplished for charity is pretty convenient for you to ignore, isn't it? Oh, & 5th installment of a trilogy? That's your skewed interpretation. Episode II might be more accurately described as the second installment in a (prequel) trilogy, or the second in the entire six part saga.

don't waste your whole hour and a half spent on prince.org on me..there may still be people you can 'shock' or 'offend' with your 'controversial' statements...

I'll waste as much time on you as you do on me. Only fair, isn't it, sport?

Supernova said
He's such a project

Well, I'd rather be a project than a complete tool like you.
[This message was edited Wed Jul 31 4:14:06 PDT 2002 by IrishEcho]

Supernova said:

Whatever your rationalization of the day is for the sorry state of Prince's career is, you can't ignore the fact that people are simply interested in & excited about this new Springsteen release, far more than anyone has ever been about any of Prince's recent output, major label or no major label. As I wrote, The Rising has been flying off the record shelves. I went to The Wiz, a popular store in NYC, & they had sold out. 20 other people followed me to HMV, & their stock was dwindling.


People are excited because Springsteen is an artist with something to say who doesn't let his personal crap get in the way. And yes, as someone pointed out, he talked to the families of a number of victims of 9/11. That helped him with the creative process as much as it helped them with the grieving process. He didn't need a major label for that. He didn't need a major label to perform on The Today Show - or, to have The Today Show broadcast from Asbury Park. Or to get the cover of Time or Newsweek or whatever. He gets that because he still matters. He gets that because he has something worth hearing. Prince, on the other hand...your excuses are running out.

Start his own label? I'm sorry, but he's tried that already. WB vanity label or not, I really don't think Prince intended to see it run into the grown after putting together records of women he was dating at the time & some relic acts from the '60s & '70s.

DavidEye said:

As for the album itself, it's quite good. Songs like "Mary's Place" clearly remind the listener of The E-Street's presence.

TheMax said:

I sometimes wish that Prince would release a kickass new album,but the old-fashioned way.Release a single and video several weeks early...make a bunch of TV appearances the week the CD comes out...then launch a huge world tour and promote the hell out of it.If Prince was still signed to a major label,this is the strategy he would be using.

KellyAnneEcho said:

Very original, KellyEcho. Very original.

KellyAnneEcho blathered:

As Rio said, good for him. What I said stands. People who don't realize it don't have an inkling of how the music industry works. That means you, and your whining.

KellyAnneEcho said:

I said:

Learn to distinguish. Get it right, or shut up, KellyAnne.

TheMax said:

He did in the past and it made him a legend..now hes onto different things.

IrishEcho said:

What about your vendetta against Prince and anyone who likes his recent music

IrishEcho said:[quote]

rio said:

first of all the only reason i replied to this thread at all is because it was on the 'most recent threads' on the home page...don't flatter yourself by thinking i just follow you around..i really couldn't stomach that for very long...now i admit i did check it because someone orgnoted me about it...

second..you told us you camped out for 'the attack of the clones' and now you say you arrived a few minutes before it started..so which was it? you claimed you were one of the people raising money for charity and you met a lot of celebrities and all that...so..i guess it's just another of your little contradictions...

i haven't yet said i'd ignore you either..so i'm not breaking any policys in commenting on your thread...in fact when you start 4 or 5 threads a day you can expect that people will comment since it is a message board...and if you do a quick search i haven't replied to most of your nonsense for a few weeks anyway...mostly i just roll my eyes...

...as for personal animosity..yeh i'll own up to that...your ridiculous baiting and racist comments certainly haven't made me a fan of you...

...and before you accuse people of 'sorry little vendetta's' ask yourself why you're here?

rio said:
first of all the only reason i replied to this thread at all is because it was on the 'most recent threads' on the home page...don't flatter yourself by thinking i just follow you around..i really couldn't stomach that for very long...now i admit i did check it because someone orgnoted me about it...

And so your original bit about not following me around kind of falls flat after that admission, doesn't it. Wait, let me answer for you - yes, it does. Unless of course you replied to each of the most recent threads on each of the forums? I don't think that's the case. And had it been one of your celebrated cohorts, I'm sure your initial post would have been quite different.

second..you told us you camped out for 'the attack of the clones' and now you say you arrived a few minutes before it started..so which was it? you claimed you were one of the people raising money for charity and you met a lot of celebrities and all that...so..i guess it's just another of your little contradictions...

Do us all a favor & go find where I wrote that I camped out for the movie, won't you? I think that will occupy your time for quite a while. And yet this is just another example why I shouldn't flatter myself over your rather high level attention paid to me? Yeah, ok...

i haven't yet said i'd ignore you either..so i'm not breaking any policys in commenting on your thread...in fact when you start 4 or 5 threads a day you can expect that people will comment since it is a message board...and if you do a quick search i haven't replied to most of your nonsense for a few weeks anyway...mostly i just roll my eyes...

Oh, but you have. You, along with CalhounSq, MKLando & a number of others who cannot seem to stick to their word. And I'm sorry, but I have never started 4 or 5 threads in a day. Haven't you learned to count yet?

...as for personal animosity..yeh i'll own up to that...your ridiculous baiting and racist comments certainly haven't made me a fan of you...

Well, gee. I guess I shouldn't expect a Kwanzaa card from you, then? Pretty sad that you can admit to hating someone you don't even know based on their comments on a message board.

...and before you accuse people of 'sorry little vendetta's' ask yourself why you're here?

To make fun of Prince when I feel he deserves it. You?

rdhull said:

What about your vendetta against Prince and anyone who likes his recent music [/quote]

What about it? This is Prince.org isn't it? And I'm certainly not alone in my opinion...

Supernova said:[quote]

KellyAnneEcho said:

Very original, KellyEcho. Very original.

Oh, like hearing "Joy in Repetition" played live last spring, there's always room for a classic. You're questioning my lack of originality? When was the last time you heard a truly original Prince record? Hint - it's been a while. And I'm sure that if one of your bedfellows had made that remark directed toward me, you'd follow up with a "lol." Don't bother denying it.

KellyAnneEcho blathered:

As Rio said, good for him. What I said stands. People who don't realize it don't have an inkling of how the music industry works. That means you, and your whining.

Trouble with that is that me & my whining have years of experience in the music business. Trouble with that is during his 3 decades in the music business, Springsteen & his music can still generate excitement that Prince has rarely ever known. Case in point - at his Today Show performance yesterday, 2,000 people were admitted to the concert hall for the 4 song performance. That did not stop an additional 15,000 people from coming just to listen to the show over a PA system & watch it on a few scattered television monitors. And all this without any effort on the part of Columbia Records. Imagine that! I'm sorry, but the half a dozen people who bought TRC on the day it came out doesn't quite compare.

KellyAnneEcho said:

I said:start one's own label to compete with the behemoths of the industry, a la Berry Gordy in the late 50s
Learn to distinguish. Get it right, or shut up, KellyAnne.

Whatever you said, "behemoth label" or not, Prince's objective with Paisley Park was probably not to screw it up as badly as he did. Or do you think it was? Even if we adopt your foolish lack of thought, I'm sorry, but Berry Gordy's label did not start at its peak size. My God, you're a moron.

And while you're so intent on changing my name for whatever reason, you might be in need of a change yourself. Supernova? I think not...you barely have the faintest glimmer of intelligence.

I love Springsteen and love "The Rising", no matter how it sells or how much publicity it gets. I have listened to Springsteen for decades now and will have a chance at anything he puts out. The amount of other people who like him too has nothing to do with why I listen to him. No one cared too much when he released 'The Ghost of Tom Joad" a few years ago but I bought it because it was Springsteen (and it was an amazing folk record). "The Rising" is getting a lot of the publicity because for one, it is a statement about 9/11 from someone who is known as a deep and effective songwriter. Also it his first record in years with the E Street Band.

I also love Prince and love "The Rainbow Children", no matter how it sells or how much publicity it gets. This is Prince doing what he wants to do and doing it first for himself, and second for us, the hardcores. It's a great creative leap for him, in my opinion, and for me the record is the freshest thing I have heard from any artist in a while. But I really don't care if 4 or 4million people bought it. All I know is I did, and am really glad, since it's an awesome one.

Stop comparing Prince to other artists and say he's washed up because he is not in the mainstream. It's just idiotic...plain and simple...listen to what you want and don't follow someone just because they are
"popular". For me if it sounds good I listen to it...why would I give one shit if someone else doesn't like it.

Just a thought
[This message was edited Wed Jul 31 15:21:44 PDT 2002 by Pagey]

IrishEcho said:[quote]Supernova said:[quote]

KellyAnneEcho said:

KellyAnnEcho hallucinated:


Excuse me, KellyAnnIdentityCrisis, I've never posted an "lol" as any response to you, so try that silliness with someone else. And my responses in this thread started out as having nothing to do with Prince. If you have such a grudge about the way he's handling his own career, so be it. Let it eat at you. Like all the other stuff that eats at you.

KellyAnneEcho blathered:

KellyAnnEcho hallucinated:


Blah, blah, yada, blah. If I'm going to discuss something of this nature with someone, it sure as hell isn't going to be with a neophyte who has an agenda like you.

KellyAnneEcho said:

I said:

KellyAnnEcho said:

Speaking of morons, you're a total idiot if you think I said it started out "at peak size". The fact that you have little comprehension about what I posted to begin with displays maybe you were left back in the 5th grade. You KNOW I didn't say such a thing, or imply it. But you want to try and obscure what exactly was said, your leap of logic is certainly a leap. Sans the logic. And comparing Springsteen's media blitz with that of the promotion of anyone who is on an indie label really throws a huge wrench into your "experience in the music business"...you're really not that clever.

KellyAnnEcho said:

Look at your display of lack of reading comprehension above, KellyAnne, instead of trying to discard the issue. You're the one who changed your name from KellyAnne, don't blame anyone else for it. It's not the only identity crisis you have either. You're such an honorable beige man. And your myriad of issues are well known around here.
[This message was edited Wed Jul 31 16:41:06 PDT 2002 by Supernova]

IrishEcho said:

I like it too, I was thinking they should have replaced alot of the strings with Clarence's sax, but other than that, the songs are solid. It's not as lose as his older stuff, but he is older and probably mellowed a bit like another artist we know.

"You're Missing" is just a great simple song that really says it all about the heratbreak of 9/11. Bruce means it, it's real.