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Reply #150 posted 06/22/06 11:13am

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Graycap23 said:

sallysassalot said:


what should she sing about?

i'm only asking because i partially agree but...when other artists try it, the general public tends to get bored and say they're not fun anymore. so how does janet avoid this catch-22? for instance, people have been hoping prince goes back to his nastier self for years now. so many folks say he lost his humour when he became jehovah's witness. the same with madonna. a lot of people lost interest with her around ray of light and didn't become interested again until this new record (note: i'm NOT talking about madge's fans, i'm talking about people in the general, music buying public). for u2 it was the reverse. when they changed up their thing, people really gave them shit for it (zooropa and pop, anyone?).

so what would you do if you were janet jackson? would you stick to what you know or would you risk losing even more by changing things up now? keep in mind, she needs this record to be a huge hit after the dismal sales of damita jo and nipplegate.

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Good question. I know one thing that i would NOT do and that's let a bunch a guest artist much up my cd. Also, doding a bunch a rehashed, sample laden material is just lazy and TIRED. It would just be REALLY nice to hear some ORIGINAL music for a change.

she's got a bunch of guest on her cd too? rolleyes
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Reply #151 posted 06/22/06 11:34am

sallysassalot

purplecam said:

Graycap23 said:



Good question. I know one thing that i would NOT do and that's let a bunch a guest artist much up my cd. Also, doding a bunch a rehashed, sample laden material is just lazy and TIRED. It would just be REALLY nice to hear some ORIGINAL music for a change.

she's got a bunch of guest on her cd too? rolleyes

going on graycap's record of knowledge about this project, i'm going to jump to the conclusion that his suspicion of guest performers is just a guess. he's been wrong about almost every other piece if info regarding this new project so why are you taking his word for it? lol

dag, just wait for the record to come out and decide then. so many kings of speculation up in here. lol
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Reply #152 posted 06/22/06 11:36am

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sallysassalot said:

purplecam said:


she's got a bunch of guest on her cd too? rolleyes

going on graycap's record of knowledge about this project, i'm going to jump to the conclusion that his suspicion of guest performers is just a guess. he's been wrong about almost every other piece if info regarding this new project so why are you taking his word for it? lol

dag, just wait for the record to come out and decide then. so many kings of speculation up in here. lol



Actually I don't have any. The tracks I heard contained some guest and some wack ass samples/remakes. I HOPE for Janet's sake that this is NOT the final version of the cd. I can only hope.
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Reply #153 posted 06/22/06 2:24pm

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I didnt want to have to say this but the song ruined all of my excitment for the new disc. Its too middle of the road blahh for me. I wanted something that reminded me of CONTROL. Isnt that how they've been hyping this new disc for the past few months. Gee wiz. neutral
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Reply #154 posted 06/22/06 3:04pm

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Graycap23 said:




I did NOT hear a single track that I really dig. I don't know about this one man.....just OK material. A 40 year old singing about the weekend?

what should she sing about?

i'm only asking because i partially agree but...when other artists try it, the general public tends to get bored and say they're not fun anymore. so how does janet avoid this catch-22? for instance, people have been hoping prince goes back to his nastier self for years now. so many folks say he lost his humour when he became jehovah's witness. the same with madonna. a lot of people lost interest with her around ray of light and didn't become interested again until this new record (note: i'm NOT talking about madge's fans, i'm talking about people in the general, music buying public). for u2 it was the reverse. when they changed up their thing, people really gave them shit for it (zooropa and pop, anyone?).

so what would you do if you were janet jackson? would you stick to what you know or would you risk losing even more by changing things up now? keep in mind, she needs this record to be a huge hit after the dismal sales of damita jo and nipplegate.

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All I know is that they set the bar high themselves on expectation. You have Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis saying some of the tracks are "powerful songs", you have Jermaine Dupri saying we're going to remember these songs for a long time, and you have Janet herself saying how we're going to "love this album". So they expectations are VERY HIGH, and this single is straight up WACK in terms of how they are talking about the CD.

Personally, I think she released this weak song on purpose, sort of like a calm before the storm type of thing, so I going by what janet, jd, jj, and tl are saying and expecting a great cd.
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Reply #155 posted 06/22/06 7:02pm

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Scorpion said:

amit1234 said:



Anyone know where Bouncy debuted the first week out?


She debuted on Hot 100 at #44 based off airplay alone.

That speaks volumes....It's totally a bad rehash of "Crazy In Love" that does excatly what Christina's new song does...the whole throwback thing. We get it. You're in the upcoming "Showgirls".
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Reply #156 posted 06/22/06 7:53pm

sallysassalot

wonder505 said:

sallysassalot said:


what should she sing about?

i'm only asking because i partially agree but...when other artists try it, the general public tends to get bored and say they're not fun anymore. so how does janet avoid this catch-22? for instance, people have been hoping prince goes back to his nastier self for years now. so many folks say he lost his humour when he became jehovah's witness. the same with madonna. a lot of people lost interest with her around ray of light and didn't become interested again until this new record (note: i'm NOT talking about madge's fans, i'm talking about people in the general, music buying public). for u2 it was the reverse. when they changed up their thing, people really gave them shit for it (zooropa and pop, anyone?).

so what would you do if you were janet jackson? would you stick to what you know or would you risk losing even more by changing things up now? keep in mind, she needs this record to be a huge hit after the dismal sales of damita jo and nipplegate.

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[Edited 6/22/06 9:02am]


All I know is that they set the bar high themselves on expectation. You have Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis saying some of the tracks are "powerful songs", you have Jermaine Dupri saying we're going to remember these songs for a long time, and you have Janet herself saying how we're going to "love this album". So they expectations are VERY HIGH, and this single is straight up WACK in terms of how they are talking about the CD.

Personally, I think she released this weak song on purpose, sort of like a calm before the storm type of thing, so I going by what janet, jd, jj, and tl are saying and expecting a great cd.

lol

the only other option is to not brag about your work. if that route was taken everyone would say, "damn, janet and her people ain't even proud of their work. this cd must suck." lol can't win no matter what.
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Reply #157 posted 06/22/06 8:34pm

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wow, a lot of people have talked about it on this board, but yeah, she really is competing with Beyonce.

Check it out:

1.BEYONCE Deja Vu (f/ Jay-Z) +1211 75 Leaders Starters
2.JANET JACKSON Call On Me +644 66 Leaders Starters


This is Janet's biggest hit since, well since...I can't even remember, I guess since, All For You.
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Reply #158 posted 06/23/06 6:42am

wonder505

sallysassalot said:

wonder505 said:



All I know is that they set the bar high themselves on expectation. You have Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis saying some of the tracks are "powerful songs", you have Jermaine Dupri saying we're going to remember these songs for a long time, and you have Janet herself saying how we're going to "love this album". So they expectations are VERY HIGH, and this single is straight up WACK in terms of how they are talking about the CD.

Personally, I think she released this weak song on purpose, sort of like a calm before the storm type of thing, so I going by what janet, jd, jj, and tl are saying and expecting a great cd.

lol

the only other option is to not brag about your work. if that route was taken everyone would say, "damn, janet and her people ain't even proud of their work. this cd must suck." lol can't win no matter what.


The Control album and Rhythmn Nation blasted on the scene successfully with no hype or bragging right? If the CD is good, no need for it.
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Reply #159 posted 06/23/06 8:46am

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wonder505 said:

sallysassalot said:


lol

the only other option is to not brag about your work. if that route was taken everyone would say, "damn, janet and her people ain't even proud of their work. this cd must suck." lol can't win no matter what.


The Control album and Rhythmn Nation blasted on the scene successfully with no hype or bragging right? If the CD is good, no need for it.

actually, rhythm nation did use hype but a different kind. instead of building up the cd as something like no other they indiscreetly kept it out of the spotlight. jam and lewis set the pr ball rolling when they mysteriously referred to the record as the 1814 project. the whole purpose of this was to build interest in the cd while giving away nothing. they hyped it, for sure.
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Reply #160 posted 06/23/06 12:34pm

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VinnyM27 said:

Scorpion said:



She debuted on Hot 100 at #44 based off airplay alone.

That speaks volumes....It's totally a bad rehash of "Crazy In Love" that does excatly what Christina's new song does...the whole throwback thing. We get it. You're in the upcoming "Showgirls".


Well whatever it is....the shits a HIT! cool

It's breaking records already.
tho' I battled blind
love is a fate resigned
memories mar my mind
love it is a fate resigned

Over futile odds
and laughed at by the Gods
and now the final frame
Love is a losing game
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Reply #161 posted 06/23/06 1:44pm

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hell, even prince samples himself.


NSFW
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Reply #162 posted 06/23/06 5:28pm

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I played it 2 my friend Quinese, who hates janet..and was like..."aawww.shyt who is this? This gonna be ma sawng" I said.. Janet.

She stopped dancing and then just kept staring lol
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Reply #163 posted 06/23/06 8:36pm

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I went back and listened to All For You yesterday...it wasn't THAT bad. I still don't know how "love scene (ooh baby)" made the cut though. lol
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Reply #164 posted 06/24/06 5:32am

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Scorpion said:

VoicesCarry said:




P.S. Why did you leave the Xone?


It was the wise thing to do , I have not been interested in Janet for some months now. confused I just stuck around the boards hoping things would change once the new era started rolling around but it has not. I was excited about "Damita Jo", now it's not even a garuantee that I'll be buying this album. I didn't want to become that female version of OIRE so I decided to move on.


Hey, Scorp. I wanted to say that I feel the same way about "Call on Me." I have really tried to like that song, but I'm just not feelin' it, and I don't know why. I also haven't been posting much at Xone because I don't want to bring people down. And I don't want to start something that might end-up in some stupid tabloid media blurb or blog-- you know some stuff like Janet's fans are turning against her. That's happened recently, and I respect xone and its members too much to ever bring any negative their way even though I would just be expressing my honest opinion about a single song. It wouldn't mean that I was any less of a Janet fan though. I think at this point it's just better to take "if you can't say anything nice, then don't say it all" approach. Like someone said, it's difficult to judge an entire cd by just one song. I'm hoping that the next release will be something that I will get into. I usually find something that I really like. I really enjoyed Damita Jo.

On the upside, I can't get enough of Prince's 3121, and that's not a major hit. I LOVE that cd. I'm also starting to really like the RHCP's Stadium Arcadium, and I LOVE the Dixie Chicks cd. I'm gonna buy that one real soon. So for me, this has been a great summer for my favorites. I'm sure that Janet will come through, too. But I just don't really like "Call on Me," that much.
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Reply #165 posted 06/25/06 12:21am

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The best thing about Call On Me is - shockingly - Nelly, who rescues the song from being a forgettable mediocrity to a briefly memorable mediocrity. Ole Jay Dwarfpree - unimaginative, talent free magpie that he is - probably thought sticking Plasterface on this would turn the song into another "Dilemma". Not only is Janet not as good a singer with as good a voice as Kelly Rowland's, BUT the song's a throwaway R n B radio "hit" by numbers. Twee, insipid, dull: Janet's worst lead-off single by a country mile.
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Reply #166 posted 06/25/06 12:26am

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Shapeshifter said:

The best thing about Call On Me is - shockingly - Nelly, who rescues the song from being a forgettable mediocrity to a briefly memorable mediocrity. Ole Jay Dwarfpree - unimaginative, talent free magpie that he is - probably thought sticking Plasterface on this would turn the song into another "Dilemma". Not only is Janet not as good a singer with as good a voice as Kelly Rowland's, BUT the song's a throwaway R n B radio "hit" by numbers. Twee, insipid, dull: Janet's worst lead-off single by a country mile.
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but if it gets the general public to pay attention again, its done its job as a lead-off single.
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Reply #167 posted 06/25/06 12:36am

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CinisterCee said:

sallysassalot said:

hell, even prince samples himself.


NSFW

oh god!

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Reply #168 posted 06/25/06 2:08am

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Shapeshifter said:

The best thing about Call On Me is - shockingly - Nelly, who rescues the song from being a forgettable mediocrity to a briefly memorable mediocrity. Ole Jay Dwarfpree - unimaginative, talent free magpie that he is - probably thought sticking Plasterface on this would turn the song into another "Dilemma". Not only is Janet not as good a singer with as good a voice as Kelly Rowland's, BUT the song's a throwaway R n B radio "hit" by numbers. Twee, insipid, dull: Janet's worst lead-off single by a country mile.
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but if it gets the general public to pay attention again, its done its job as a lead-off single.



Like flashing her tittay? lol
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Reply #169 posted 06/25/06 2:14am

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sallysassalot said:

Shapeshifter said:

The best thing about Call On Me is - shockingly - Nelly, who rescues the song from being a forgettable mediocrity to a briefly memorable mediocrity. Ole Jay Dwarfpree - unimaginative, talent free magpie that he is - probably thought sticking Plasterface on this would turn the song into another "Dilemma". Not only is Janet not as good a singer with as good a voice as Kelly Rowland's, BUT the song's a throwaway R n B radio "hit" by numbers. Twee, insipid, dull: Janet's worst lead-off single by a country mile.
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but if it gets the general public to pay attention again, its done its job as a lead-off single.



So, what you're saying is, it doesn't matter if the song falls way below Janet's previously irreproachable lead-off singles from albums, as long as people notice she's got a new record out? What happened to the single being a trailer for the album concept?
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Reply #170 posted 06/25/06 8:00am

Scorpion

Nelly is outsinging Janet on this song.
tho' I battled blind
love is a fate resigned
memories mar my mind
love it is a fate resigned

Over futile odds
and laughed at by the Gods
and now the final frame
Love is a losing game
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Reply #171 posted 06/25/06 8:31am

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Nelly is outsinging Janet on this song.

And you can understand what he's saying on the song too.
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Reply #172 posted 06/25/06 9:02am

sallysassalot

Shapeshifter said:

sallysassalot said:


but if it gets the general public to pay attention again, its done its job as a lead-off single.



So, what you're saying is, it doesn't matter if the song falls way below Janet's previously irreproachable lead-off singles from albums, as long as people notice she's got a new record out? What happened to the single being a trailer for the album concept?

correct.

janet is going to release TWO singles prior to release. this is practically no different than releasing that's the way love goes followed by if. the only difference is both songs (for this cd) will be released before the record is. seems to me that its just an extended trailor, so to speak.

but, speaking of singles as trailors for the album, has that really been the case for most artists? was te amo corazon a trailor to 3121 (hint: even prince said it wasn't)? was just a little while indicative of what damita jo consisted of?

i understand that lead-off singles are supposed to create excitement for the pending release of an artist. but what if that artist is releasing two lead-off singles? do you start with the hottest song on the record and then release something not as hot? do you blow your load on the first outing? maybe you start with a little sumt'n sumt'n that will get lots of airplay to tell people you're about to hit with something. then, just before the record drops, you release some shit that makes jaws drop, sucka punchin' peeps into attention.

who knows what janet's record sounds like? all i know is that call on me is a cool summer jam and that's good enough for me.
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Reply #173 posted 06/25/06 11:18am

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Shapeshifter said:




So, what you're saying is, it doesn't matter if the song falls way below Janet's previously irreproachable lead-off singles from albums, as long as people notice she's got a new record out? What happened to the single being a trailer for the album concept?

correct.

janet is going to release TWO singles prior to release. this is practically no different than releasing that's the way love goes followed by if. the only difference is both songs (for this cd) will be released before the record is. seems to me that its just an extended trailor, so to speak.

but, speaking of singles as trailors for the album, has that really been the case for most artists? was te amo corazon a trailor to 3121 (hint: even prince said it wasn't)? was just a little while indicative of what damita jo consisted of?

i understand that lead-off singles are supposed to create excitement for the pending release of an artist. but what if that artist is releasing two lead-off singles? do you start with the hottest song on the record and then release something not as hot? do you blow your load on the first outing? maybe you start with a little sumt'n sumt'n that will get lots of airplay to tell people you're about to hit with something. then, just before the record drops, you release some shit that makes jaws drop, sucka punchin' peeps into attention.

who knows what janet's record sounds like? all i know is that call on me is a cool summer jam and that's good enough for me.


Well if it makes you happy it's done half it's job. But if I hate it it's failed completely. Sha-la-la, man.
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Reply #174 posted 06/25/06 1:02pm

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Shapeshifter said:

sallysassalot said:


correct.

janet is going to release TWO singles prior to release. this is practically no different than releasing that's the way love goes followed by if. the only difference is both songs (for this cd) will be released before the record is. seems to me that its just an extended trailor, so to speak.

but, speaking of singles as trailors for the album, has that really been the case for most artists? was te amo corazon a trailor to 3121 (hint: even prince said it wasn't)? was just a little while indicative of what damita jo consisted of?

i understand that lead-off singles are supposed to create excitement for the pending release of an artist. but what if that artist is releasing two lead-off singles? do you start with the hottest song on the record and then release something not as hot? do you blow your load on the first outing? maybe you start with a little sumt'n sumt'n that will get lots of airplay to tell people you're about to hit with something. then, just before the record drops, you release some shit that makes jaws drop, sucka punchin' peeps into attention.

who knows what janet's record sounds like? all i know is that call on me is a cool summer jam and that's good enough for me.


Well if it makes you happy it's done half it's job. But if I hate it it's failed completely. Sha-la-la, man.
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It has only failed completely if the both the single and album bomb. Right now it is too soon to tell.

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Reply #175 posted 06/25/06 1:11pm

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the song itsn't as bad as you people are making it out to be and if you ask me " love just a little while "was a worse song. the reason why it was chosen for a first single was because Jermaine Dupri said to mtv that there are alot of uptempled songs out right now and he wanted it to kind of stand out . which makes sense

for of you complaing about Janet's vocalls on the song well she purposely song like that because they wanted soft feminine vocalls like the way Mary Davis did on the song they sampled " tell me if you still care' even though I think Janet was over doing and that's why it came across more of a whisper even though Janet really does sing well low.

the next single is called " so excited" . It's an uptempo hard dance track someone said it reminds them of Herbie Hancock's "Rockit". There is a lot of that scratching and mixing. and yes Khia the rapper is featured in it put don't jump to a conclusion that just because she on it, it's a nasty song because from my understanding it's not and I believe that she will performing it on the Today's show sept 29
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Reply #176 posted 06/25/06 2:49pm

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shortstuff45220 said:

the song itsn't as bad as you people are making it out to be and if you ask me " love just a little while "was a worse song. the reason why it was chosen for a first single was because Jermaine Dupri said to mtv that there are alot of uptempled songs out right now and he wanted it to kind of stand out . which makes sense

for of you complaing about Janet's vocalls on the song well she purposely song like that because they wanted soft feminine vocalls like the way Mary Davis did on the song they sampled " tell me if you still care' even though I think Janet was over doing and that's why it came across more of a whisper even though Janet really does sing well low.

the next single is called " so excited" . It's an uptempo hard dance track someone said it reminds them of Herbie Hancock's "Rockit". There is a lot of that scratching and mixing. and yes Khia the rapper is featured in it put don't jump to a conclusion that just because she on it, it's a nasty song because from my understanding it's not and I believe that she will performing it on the Today's show sept 29


Janet is a weak singer, period. No need to explain why she whispers on a song. She's been singing like that with a very few exceptions, for over 20 years. Take it from someone who has seen her live, shes's not a singer, however she makes up for it in everything else, the music, dance, look, etc.

I don't think anyone is making the song out to be bad as you said. Either a song is going to sound good to someone's ears or its not. Some folks like this song and some do not.
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Reply #177 posted 06/25/06 4:25pm

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I want the whole fuggin album now. It's still 3 months away...from TOMORROW. I wonder when they'll leak "So Excited."
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Reply #178 posted 06/25/06 7:35pm

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I gotta say I'm listening to Rhythm Nation right now as I type and I miss whatever spark Janet had at that time in her current music. I don't need a rehash of it but I want something as alive and fun and hot as RN still is. From hearing Call On Me, my hopes are fading but I'll give Ms Janet a chance. She deserves that much from me.
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Reply #179 posted 06/26/06 1:33am

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it sounded like "kelis-bossy" when i heard it on the radio LOL i need to hear that shit again and hear whats goin on in the song.
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