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PrintableNuPwr319 said: StoneCrib said: Yeah, sadly enough you're exactly right. All that's gonna happen is this... I used to down Cristal til my head got bent Now I sip Dom since that muthafucka tripped Damn shame.   Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: NuPwr319 said: Can you ghostwrite something for me? That was hot. | |
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NuPwr319 said:[quote] CalhounSq said: 728huey said: StoneCrib said:
It's like when Oprah had Liz Claiborne on years & years ago - Oprah was all happy wearing a Liz fit & Liz told her straight up (from what I remember), "I never intended for my clothes to be worn by Black people." So Oprah took the suit off :Actually, that's on OLD internet rumor. Oprah is on record saying that never happened. The same rumor was put on Hilfiger, too. (That reminds me of that OLD Eddie Murphy in the elevator rumor. . .O.K., off-topic. Back to the HELLUVA discussion. . .) I wonder what it took to turn it into a rumor. Seriously though, the moral of the story is that you don't rep anything you don't have a hand in. |
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"Save your money."
Mr. Cristal has said it best, albeit rudely. Now maybe we'll all pay attention. | |
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728huey said: StoneCrib said:
This should be a lesson for ALL black folk that try and buy and floss the name brand shit...Mr. Cristal just bitch-slapped you and woke you up. Don't be so fuckin' materialistic and flossy to where his comments piss you off. I'm glad old dude said he didn't want Hip Hop's business, now maybe some of these idiot muthafuckas will wake up and write some shit that doesn't talk about what they drink, how big their spinners are, and what kinda purse they're rockin'.
I'm not looking to be an aplologist for Jay-Z, but he has a point here. As a business owner, isn't the idea of running a business is to get as much profit as possible for your goods and services? Here's this Frederic Rouzaud guy, whose company has probably made a huge fortune over the last few years with Cristal, thanks to the hip-hop world, yet he comes out and badmouths his own customers. (Granted he's French, and the French people seem to do this regularly.) Why would any businessman with half a brain do this to his own customers? That's like killing the golden goose. What is this guy going to do if Oprah suddenly decides to listen to the hip-hop community and encourages the rest of the world to boycott their products? He should have kept his mouth shut and just taken all that cash.   Well, the Burberry brand in the UK is doing the same thing Cristal is doing. Hip hop is viewed by these companies as unwelcomed attention and it cheapens their brand -- that's how they see it and that's why they don't want to be a part of hip hop. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is. Burberry lately has been associated with "chavs" (or lowlife white kids in the UK), so the Burberry company took steps to restructure the way it presents its clothes by removing the distinctive tartan pattern from a lot of its clothing and getting rid of certain items altogether. Not justifying what Cristal or Burberry is doing, but it's obvious they're not trying to reach out to certain communities. I personally think it's dumb to obsess over material items for the benefit of another who wouldn't even want to set foot around you, but people do this anyway. | |
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uPwr319 said: CalhounSq said: It's like when Oprah had Liz Claiborne on years & years ago - Oprah was all happy wearing a Liz fit & Liz told her straight up (from what I remember), "I never intended for my clothes to be worn by Black people." So Oprah took the suit off
:Actually, that's on OLD internet rumor. Oprah is on record saying that never happened. The same rumor was put on Hilfiger, too. (That reminds me of that OLD Eddie Murphy in the elevator rumor. . .O.K., off-topic. Back to the HELLUVA discussion. . .) Seriously? I could swear I actually WATCHED that show    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CinisterCee said: StoneCrib said: Can you ghostwrite something for me? That was hot.  Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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CalhounSq said: uPwr319 said: Actually, that's on OLD internet rumor. Oprah is on record saying that never happened. The same rumor was put on Hilfiger, too. (That reminds me of that OLD Eddie Murphy in the elevator rumor. . .O.K., off-topic. Back to the HELLUVA discussion. . .) Seriously? I could swear I actually WATCHED that show That's what everyone says... | |
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Mara said: 728huey said: StoneCrib said:
I'm not looking to be an aplologist for Jay-Z, but he has a point here. As a business owner, isn't the idea of running a business is to get as much profit as possible for your goods and services? Here's this Frederic Rouzaud guy, whose company has probably made a huge fortune over the last few years with Cristal, thanks to the hip-hop world, yet he comes out and badmouths his own customers. (Granted he's French, and the French people seem to do this regularly.) Why would any businessman with half a brain do this to his own customers? That's like killing the golden goose. What is this guy going to do if Oprah suddenly decides to listen to the hip-hop community and encourages the rest of the world to boycott their products? He should have kept his mouth shut and just taken all that cash. Well, the Burberry brand in the UK is doing the same thing Cristal is doing. Hip hop is viewed by these companies as unwelcomed attention and it cheapens their brand -- that's how they see it and that's why they don't want to be a part of hip hop. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is. Burberry lately has been associated with "chavs" (or lowlife white kids in the UK), so the Burberry company took steps to restructure the way it presents its clothes by removing the distinctive tartan pattern from a lot of its clothing and getting rid of certain items altogether. Not justifying what Cristal or Burberry is doing, but it's obvious they're not trying to reach out to certain communities. I personally think it's dumb to obsess over material items for the benefit of another who wouldn't even want to set foot around you, but people do this anyway. I don't blame those companies. Mainstream rap/hip-hop has been turned into a gutter genre. I wouldn't want my company to be associated with that. | |
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ThreadBare said: CalhounSq said: Seriously? I could swear I actually WATCHED that show That's what everyone says... You callin' me a liar? 
. [Edited 6/17/06 11:06am] I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: ThreadBare said: That's what everyone says... You callin' me a liar?
Nooo, nooo, nooo. I'm just saying that I've heard other people swear to have watched it. But, as the story goes, it never happened. Isn't that weird? | |
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ThreadBare said: CalhounSq said: You callin' me a liar?
Nooo, nooo, nooo. I'm just saying that I've heard other people swear to have watched it. But, as the story goes, it never happened. Isn't that weird? Indeed...  I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Anyone who's intimately familiar with the world of wine and champagne knows that Cristal has had its own core audience since it was created for Tsar Alexander for over 125 years now . They have made, and will continue to make money without the endorsement of the rap industry via their traditional (and less vocal) demographic of wine scholars, Russian, and French aristocracy
Roederer creates for the serious connoiseur who understands and appreciates the mastering time, riddling, and dosage liqueur of a champagne, or the fact that great care is taken to wrap its' clear bottle in yellow cellophane as to protect your tasting experience from the rays of daylight...it can't possibly be pleasing to one of the landmark companies in the history of Cuveé to see something which is so painstakingly prepared to the strictest méthode champagne requirements be poured over the boobies and buttocks' of naked women for today's Mtv generation
...but hey, of couse I would say this since I'm a "foodie" [/quote]
Translation.....He does not want his target consumers thinking/feeling that he is comfortable/okay with those "rappers and hip hoppers" (and you know what this is another name for), comsuming his product.... That would eventually turn off the target consumer.. I mean its not exclusively for "us" if just any 'ol "rapper" can get his hands on it.. 
Poor Jay Z... he musta forgot who he was  | |
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This post reminded me of this.
This is an excerpt from Dr. Na’im Akbar "The slave was permitted to own nothing or very little. Certainly, property and the finer material objects such as clothes, jewelry, etc., were reserved for the slave master. Douglas (1970) observes: ”The yearly allowance of clothing for the slaves on this plantation consisted of two tow-linen shirts—such as the coarsest crash towels are made of; one pair of trousers and a jacket of woolen, most lazily put together, for winter; one pair of yarn stockings, and one pair of shoes of the coarsest description. The slave’s entire apparel could not have cost more than eight dollars per year. The allowance of food and clothing for the little children, was committed to their mothers, or to the older slave woman having care of them. Children who were unable to work in the field had neither shoes, stockings, jackets, nor trousers given them. Their clothing consisted of two coarse tow-linen shirts—already described—per year; and when these failed them, as they often did, they went naked until the next allowance day” The slave master’s fine house, beautiful landscaping, exquisite clothes and objects were associated with his power and status. In the same way that the slave looked upon his master with hatred and resentment, he also resented and envied the master’s possessions because those possessions were associated with freedom and the power to direct one’s life, family, and the community. African-Americans have the slavery influence of mixed attitudes toward material objects and property. On one hand, those objects are associated with the master and his powers. Therefore, there is a tendency to resent property and to take a secret (unconscious) delight in attacking it. Certainly, some of our tendencies toward vandalism and abuse of property have their origin in these experiences with property. Property is still viewed as belonging to the “master” and not to the “slave”. This finds additional expression when the African-American is thrown into public housing and rented properties, which are, in fact, still owned by the descendants of slave masters. Vandalism is unconsciously gratifying in that it acts out that long-present resentment of the master’s property. Given the persisting dependence on the “master”, it is safer to be neglectful of his property than overtly hostile towards him. On the other hand slavery produced an unnatural attraction to material things. The cast-off hat or dress passed down from the “Big House” to the cabin became a symbol of pride and status. By wearing “Massah’s” old hat or “Missis” old dress, one could play at being Massh or Missis for a few fanciful moments…. The legacy of such experiences with property and materials has made these objects powerfully influential in the lives of many African-Americans. Large sums of money are thrown away yearly on expensive flashy clothes and cars…We spend greats energy and wealth acquiring these objects associated with power rather than real human, social, political, and economic power. There is a frequent tendency to confuse tokens of power with genuine power, based upon the slavery experience. The major thinkers and scholars (potentially our most powerful agents of change) in African-American communities are often neutralized by a pittance of material goods. This socially destructive phenomena has its roots deep in the slavery experience. Too often the leaders in our communities have equated a small trinket of material gain with “having arrived”. That leadership is soon lost to the African-American community. It is a recurrence of the old image of wearing “Massah’s” discarded hat and thinking that you are “Massah”". I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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Adisa said: This post reminded me of this.
This is an excerpt from Dr. Na’im Akbar "The slave was permitted to own nothing or very little. Certainly, property and the finer material objects such as clothes, jewelry, etc., were reserved for the slave master. Douglas (1970) observes: ”The yearly allowance of clothing for the slaves on this plantation consisted of two tow-linen shirts—such as the coarsest crash towels are made of; one pair of trousers and a jacket of woolen, most lazily put together, for winter; one pair of yarn stockings, and one pair of shoes of the coarsest description. The slave’s entire apparel could not have cost more than eight dollars per year. The allowance of food and clothing for the little children, was committed to their mothers, or to the older slave woman having care of them. Children who were unable to work in the field had neither shoes, stockings, jackets, nor trousers given them. Their clothing consisted of two coarse tow-linen shirts—already described—per year; and when these failed them, as they often did, they went naked until the next allowance day” The slave master’s fine house, beautiful landscaping, exquisite clothes and objects were associated with his power and status. In the same way that the slave looked upon his master with hatred and resentment, he also resented and envied the master’s possessions because those possessions were associated with freedom and the power to direct one’s life, family, and the community. African-Americans have the slavery influence of mixed attitudes toward material objects and property. On one hand, those objects are associated with the master and his powers. Therefore, there is a tendency to resent property and to take a secret (unconscious) delight in attacking it. Certainly, some of our tendencies toward vandalism and abuse of property have their origin in these experiences with property. Property is still viewed as belonging to the “master” and not to the “slave”. This finds additional expression when the African-American is thrown into public housing and rented properties, which are, in fact, still owned by the descendants of slave masters. Vandalism is unconsciously gratifying in that it acts out that long-present resentment of the master’s property. Given the persisting dependence on the “master”, it is safer to be neglectful of his property than overtly hostile towards him. On the other hand slavery produced an unnatural attraction to material things. The cast-off hat or dress passed down from the “Big House” to the cabin became a symbol of pride and status. By wearing “Massah’s” old hat or “Missis” old dress, one could play at being Massh or Missis for a few fanciful moments…. The legacy of such experiences with property and materials has made these objects powerfully influential in the lives of many African-Americans. Large sums of money are thrown away yearly on expensive flashy clothes and cars…We spend greats energy and wealth acquiring these objects associated with power rather than real human, social, political, and economic power. There is a frequent tendency to confuse tokens of power with genuine power, based upon the slavery experience. The major thinkers and scholars (potentially our most powerful agents of change) in African-American communities are often neutralized by a pittance of material goods. This socially destructive phenomena has its roots deep in the slavery experience. Too often the leaders in our communities have equated a small trinket of material gain with “having arrived”. That leadership is soon lost to the African-American community. It is a recurrence of the old image of wearing “Massah’s” discarded hat and thinking that you are “Massah”". Ooh, chile. That's deep. | |
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NuPwr319 said: Adisa said: This post reminded me of this.
This is an excerpt from Dr. Na’im Akbar "The slave was permitted to own nothing or very little. Certainly, property and the finer material objects such as clothes, jewelry, etc., were reserved for the slave master. Douglas (1970) observes: ”The yearly allowance of clothing for the slaves on this plantation consisted of two tow-linen shirts—such as the coarsest crash towels are made of; one pair of trousers and a jacket of woolen, most lazily put together, for winter; one pair of yarn stockings, and one pair of shoes of the coarsest description. The slave’s entire apparel could not have cost more than eight dollars per year. The allowance of food and clothing for the little children, was committed to their mothers, or to the older slave woman having care of them. Children who were unable to work in the field had neither shoes, stockings, jackets, nor trousers given them. Their clothing consisted of two coarse tow-linen shirts—already described—per year; and when these failed them, as they often did, they went naked until the next allowance day” The slave master’s fine house, beautiful landscaping, exquisite clothes and objects were associated with his power and status. In the same way that the slave looked upon his master with hatred and resentment, he also resented and envied the master’s possessions because those possessions were associated with freedom and the power to direct one’s life, family, and the community. African-Americans have the slavery influence of mixed attitudes toward material objects and property. On one hand, those objects are associated with the master and his powers. Therefore, there is a tendency to resent property and to take a secret (unconscious) delight in attacking it. Certainly, some of our tendencies toward vandalism and abuse of property have their origin in these experiences with property. Property is still viewed as belonging to the “master” and not to the “slave”. This finds additional expression when the African-American is thrown into public housing and rented properties, which are, in fact, still owned by the descendants of slave masters. Vandalism is unconsciously gratifying in that it acts out that long-present resentment of the master’s property. Given the persisting dependence on the “master”, it is safer to be neglectful of his property than overtly hostile towards him. On the other hand slavery produced an unnatural attraction to material things. The cast-off hat or dress passed down from the “Big House” to the cabin became a symbol of pride and status. By wearing “Massah’s” old hat or “Missis” old dress, one could play at being Massh or Missis for a few fanciful moments…. The legacy of such experiences with property and materials has made these objects powerfully influential in the lives of many African-Americans. Large sums of money are thrown away yearly on expensive flashy clothes and cars…We spend greats energy and wealth acquiring these objects associated with power rather than real human, social, political, and economic power. There is a frequent tendency to confuse tokens of power with genuine power, based upon the slavery experience. The major thinkers and scholars (potentially our most powerful agents of change) in African-American communities are often neutralized by a pittance of material goods. This socially destructive phenomena has its roots deep in the slavery experience. Too often the leaders in our communities have equated a small trinket of material gain with “having arrived”. That leadership is soon lost to the African-American community. It is a recurrence of the old image of wearing “Massah’s” discarded hat and thinking that you are “Massah”". Ooh, chile. That's deep. That's some DEEPNESS for yo ass  I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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I don't drink, so I wouldn't know Cristal from the cheapest shit in the liquor store. Why does Jay-z or the rappers like Cristal anyway? Cause it's good or cause it's expensive as fuck and rich people drink it? Who here has had Cristal? [Edited 6/17/06 22:53pm] | |
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Adisa said: This post reminded me of this.
This is an excerpt from Dr. Na’im Akbar "The slave was permitted to own nothing or very little. Certainly, property and the finer material objects such as clothes, jewelry, etc., were reserved for the slave master. Douglas (1970) observes: ”The yearly allowance of clothing for the slaves on this plantation consisted of two tow-linen shirts—such as the coarsest crash towels are made of; one pair of trousers and a jacket of woolen, most lazily put together, for winter; one pair of yarn stockings, and one pair of shoes of the coarsest description. The slave’s entire apparel could not have cost more than eight dollars per year. The allowance of food and clothing for the little children, was committed to their mothers, or to the older slave woman having care of them. Children who were unable to work in the field had neither shoes, stockings, jackets, nor trousers given them. Their clothing consisted of two coarse tow-linen shirts—already described—per year; and when these failed them, as they often did, they went naked until the next allowance day” The slave master’s fine house, beautiful landscaping, exquisite clothes and objects were associated with his power and status. In the same way that the slave looked upon his master with hatred and resentment, he also resented and envied the master’s possessions because those possessions were associated with freedom and the power to direct one’s life, family, and the community. African-Americans have the slavery influence of mixed attitudes toward material objects and property. On one hand, those objects are associated with the master and his powers. Therefore, there is a tendency to resent property and to take a secret (unconscious) delight in attacking it. Certainly, some of our tendencies toward vandalism and abuse of property have their origin in these experiences with property. Property is still viewed as belonging to the “master” and not to the “slave”. This finds additional expression when the African-American is thrown into public housing and rented properties, which are, in fact, still owned by the descendants of slave masters. Vandalism is unconsciously gratifying in that it acts out that long-present resentment of the master’s property. Given the persisting dependence on the “master”, it is safer to be neglectful of his property than overtly hostile towards him. On the other hand slavery produced an unnatural attraction to material things. The cast-off hat or dress passed down from the “Big House” to the cabin became a symbol of pride and status. By wearing “Massah’s” old hat or “Missis” old dress, one could play at being Massh or Missis for a few fanciful moments…. The legacy of such experiences with property and materials has made these objects powerfully influential in the lives of many African-Americans. Large sums of money are thrown away yearly on expensive flashy clothes and cars…We spend greats energy and wealth acquiring these objects associated with power rather than real human, social, political, and economic power. There is a frequent tendency to confuse tokens of power with genuine power, based upon the slavery experience. The major thinkers and scholars (potentially our most powerful agents of change) in African-American communities are often neutralized by a pittance of material goods. This socially destructive phenomena has its roots deep in the slavery experience. Too often the leaders in our communities have equated a small trinket of material gain with “having arrived”. That leadership is soon lost to the African-American community. It is a recurrence of the old image of wearing “Massah’s” discarded hat and thinking that you are “Massah”". Excellent post. I agree with it 100%. Not to change the subject, but it's one of MANY reasons I believe Black people are always trying to play GOLF as well. Trying 2 be like the Massah.....Damn we have a lot of issues. Thanks for this post. | |
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lilgish said: I don't drink, so I wouldn't know Cristal from the cheapest shit in the liquor store. Why does Jay-z or the rappers like Cristal anyway? Cause it's good or cause it's expensive as fuck and rich people drink it? Who here has had Cristal?
[Edited 6/17/06 22:53pm] Adisa answered your questions quite clearly a few posts up. | |
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lilgish said: I don't drink, so I wouldn't know Cristal from the cheapest shit in the liquor store. Why does Jay-z or the rappers like Cristal anyway? Cause it's good or cause it's expensive as fuck and rich people drink it? Who here has had Cristal?
I've had Cristal and it's gross to me. I can't tell the difference between it and a $3.99 bottle of Andre's or Champale or whatever. He clearly drinks it because it is a status symbol.[Edited 6/17/06 22:53pm] | |
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RL feat. Lil Kim "Do U Wanna Roll"
Aight God I admit I'm part tricky Take trips to Cali and strip and get sticky I'ma get get it crunk anywhere I go Why you smooth haters actin' like y'all don't know From barbecues to barmitzvahs O.G's crack the O.E when they listen to me Cris on the table push it in the air Come on pass that sh like that's that sh We doin Battlecat homies in the Sony The Bee showin love to the westside homies Give you somethin you can feel, recognize the real Cause it's, cause it's somethin bout the East Coast that makes us wanna squeeze mo' but I'ma tell you how we ride Show you how we do the damn thing... We gon' show you how we do it [Edited 6/18/06 15:37pm] | |
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Adisa said: This post reminded me of this.
This is an excerpt from Dr. Na’im Akbar "The slave was permitted to own nothing or very little. Certainly, property and the finer material objects such as clothes, jewelry, etc., were reserved for the slave master. Douglas (1970) observes: ”The yearly allowance of clothing for the slaves on this plantation consisted of two tow-linen shirts—such as the coarsest crash towels are made of; one pair of trousers and a jacket of woolen, most lazily put together, for winter; one pair of yarn stockings, and one pair of shoes of the coarsest description. The slave’s entire apparel could not have cost more than eight dollars per year. The allowance of food and clothing for the little children, was committed to their mothers, or to the older slave woman having care of them. Children who were unable to work in the field had neither shoes, stockings, jackets, nor trousers given them. Their clothing consisted of two coarse tow-linen shirts—already described—per year; and when these failed them, as they often did, they went naked until the next allowance day” The slave master’s fine house, beautiful landscaping, exquisite clothes and objects were associated with his power and status. In the same way that the slave looked upon his master with hatred and resentment, he also resented and envied the master’s possessions because those possessions were associated with freedom and the power to direct one’s life, family, and the community. African-Americans have the slavery influence of mixed attitudes toward material objects and property. On one hand, those objects are associated with the master and his powers. Therefore, there is a tendency to resent property and to take a secret (unconscious) delight in attacking it. Certainly, some of our tendencies toward vandalism and abuse of property have their origin in these experiences with property. Property is still viewed as belonging to the “master” and not to the “slave”. This finds additional expression when the African-American is thrown into public housing and rented properties, which are, in fact, still owned by the descendants of slave masters. Vandalism is unconsciously gratifying in that it acts out that long-present resentment of the master’s property. Given the persisting dependence on the “master”, it is safer to be neglectful of his property than overtly hostile towards him. On the other hand slavery produced an unnatural attraction to material things. The cast-off hat or dress passed down from the “Big House” to the cabin became a symbol of pride and status. By wearing “Massah’s” old hat or “Missis” old dress, one could play at being Massh or Missis for a few fanciful moments…. The legacy of such experiences with property and materials has made these objects powerfully influential in the lives of many African-Americans. Large sums of money are thrown away yearly on expensive flashy clothes and cars…We spend greats energy and wealth acquiring these objects associated with power rather than real human, social, political, and economic power. There is a frequent tendency to confuse tokens of power with genuine power, based upon the slavery experience. The major thinkers and scholars (potentially our most powerful agents of change) in African-American communities are often neutralized by a pittance of material goods. This socially destructive phenomena has its roots deep in the slavery experience. Too often the leaders in our communities have equated a small trinket of material gain with “having arrived”. That leadership is soon lost to the African-American community. It is a recurrence of the old image of wearing “Massah’s” discarded hat and thinking that you are “Massah”". right on  | |
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CalhounSq said: NuPwr319 said: Ooh, chile. That's deep. That's some DEEPNESS for yo ass
In the same book he discusses the psychology of "The Clown", the Black family, leadership, work, personal inferiority, and color discrimination. DEEPNESS I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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Adisa said: This post reminded me of this.
This is an excerpt from Dr. Na’im Akbar "The slave was permitted to own nothing or very little. Certainly, property and the finer material objects such as clothes, jewelry, etc., were reserved for the slave master. Douglas (1970) observes: ”The yearly allowance of clothing for the slaves on this plantation consisted of two tow-linen shirts—such as the coarsest crash towels are made of; one pair of trousers and a jacket of woolen, most lazily put together, for winter; one pair of yarn stockings, and one pair of shoes of the coarsest description. The slave’s entire apparel could not have cost more than eight dollars per year. The allowance of food and clothing for the little children, was committed to their mothers, or to the older slave woman having care of them. Children who were unable to work in the field had neither shoes, stockings, jackets, nor trousers given them. Their clothing consisted of two coarse tow-linen shirts—already described—per year; and when these failed them, as they often did, they went naked until the next allowance day” The slave master’s fine house, beautiful landscaping, exquisite clothes and objects were associated with his power and status. In the same way that the slave looked upon his master with hatred and resentment, he also resented and envied the master’s possessions because those possessions were associated with freedom and the power to direct one’s life, family, and the community. African-Americans have the slavery influence of mixed attitudes toward material objects and property. On one hand, those objects are associated with the master and his powers. Therefore, there is a tendency to resent property and to take a secret (unconscious) delight in attacking it. Certainly, some of our tendencies toward vandalism and abuse of property have their origin in these experiences with property. Property is still viewed as belonging to the “master” and not to the “slave”. This finds additional expression when the African-American is thrown into public housing and rented properties, which are, in fact, still owned by the descendants of slave masters. Vandalism is unconsciously gratifying in that it acts out that long-present resentment of the master’s property. Given the persisting dependence on the “master”, it is safer to be neglectful of his property than overtly hostile towards him. On the other hand slavery produced an unnatural attraction to material things. The cast-off hat or dress passed down from the “Big House” to the cabin became a symbol of pride and status. By wearing “Massah’s” old hat or “Missis” old dress, one could play at being Massh or Missis for a few fanciful moments…. The legacy of such experiences with property and materials has made these objects powerfully influential in the lives of many African-Americans. Large sums of money are thrown away yearly on expensive flashy clothes and cars…We spend greats energy and wealth acquiring these objects associated with power rather than real human, social, political, and economic power. There is a frequent tendency to confuse tokens of power with genuine power, based upon the slavery experience. The major thinkers and scholars (potentially our most powerful agents of change) in African-American communities are often neutralized by a pittance of material goods. This socially destructive phenomena has its roots deep in the slavery experience. Too often the leaders in our communities have equated a small trinket of material gain with “having arrived”. That leadership is soon lost to the African-American community. It is a recurrence of the old image of wearing “Massah’s” discarded hat and thinking that you are “Massah”". I was so sleepy when I first started reading this; Baby, you just woke me the hell up, for real  . | |
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Romera said: StoneCrib said: This should be a lesson for ALL black folk that try and buy and floss the name brand shit...Mr. Cristal just bitch-slapped you and woke you up. Don't be so fuckin' materialistic and flossy to where his comments piss you off. I'm glad old dude said he didn't want Hip Hop's business, now maybe some of these idiot muthafuckas will wake up and write some shit that doesn't talk about what they drink, how big their spinners are, and what kinda purse they're rockin'. Psykosoul's my Org baby daddy but dude, you getting me worked up. 
Fuck Jigga. Hey, HEY, HEY!!!!  Simmer yourself down there, lady. Ain't gonna be no gettin' worked up unless it's over me
and yeah... Fuck Jigga! [Edited 6/19/06 5:17am] | |
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That excerpt by Dr. Na’im Akbar is proof why many believe the affects of slavery still impact African Americans to this day.  [Edited 6/19/06 6:05am] Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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psykosoul said: Romera said: Psykosoul's my Org baby daddy but dude, you getting me worked up.
Fuck Jigga. Hey, HEY, HEY!!!! Simmer yourself down there, lady. Ain't gonna be no gettin' worked up unless it's over me
and yeah... Fuck Jigga! [Edited 6/19/06 5:17am]  | |
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JackieBlue said: That excerpt by Dr. Na’im Akbar is proof why many believe the affects of still impact African Americans to this day. There is something so profound in this statement:
We spend greats energy and wealth acquiring these objects associated with power rather than real human, social, political, and economic power. I'm going on another writing spree to the likes of Vibe, urban radio stations, BET online, etc. Jigga is making himself look like a fucking idiot. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Jay-Z made a career of being a running rap ad for various companies. While I respect and effort to boycott materialism aimed at the poorer class in this country, hearing it come from Jay-Z seems as about as sincere as an apology for high gas prices from Exxon. If ill words hadn't been spoken and he hadn't been offended, nothing would have changed. There is a sect of the public that believes that Jay-Z is the greatest living rapper. To me, that is impossible. While he has a clever way with words, all he's ever talked about is material things. He's been a male Lil Kim, with better rhymes. A polished Puffy Combs. Who cares how clever your words are if you have nothing to say? I've never gotten anything but bravado, bragging and ad spots from Jay-Z's songs. How can Joe Camel be the G.O.A.T.?
Now THAT is real. Goddamn, always on point, my brutha...  
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lastdecember said: I posted about this subject a little earlier today calling it "dumb shit", and thats what it is. I mean all the crap going on in the world and this is the stand Jay Z takes, this is almost as "dumb" as the parents that were going to boycott, because they wanted to make cell phones illegal in classrooms and parents wanted their kids to carry their phones. I mean Jay, u couldnt take a stand on Iraq or Katrina or do something that actually means something. Boycotting "cristal" wow what a stand to take, and the funny thing is that im sure someone is writing a Rap about this stupid shit right now and this will make the cover of a newspaper as opposed to someone marines getting killed today in iraq, mainly because to america, people dieing in Iraq is old news to them, Jay Z boycotting Cristal now thats some meaningful shit. Hey Jay go visit earthquake victims overseas and see what they think of your Cristal boycott, LAME!
[Edited 6/15/06 21:16pm]  - thank you for saying this. You are so right!!! Jay Z is a grade A asshole IMHO. | |
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