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PrintableAlexandernvrmind said: JasonStar said: I can't stand Oprah. I never watch her show, and when I see her on TV, or hear her name, I think, Ick
 Whats there not to stand....the lady is all about helping folks. Never have understood why people rag on her so much. Its absurd really...just read this thread and number of people just rip her to shreds Its remarkable to me that we have deteriorated this far as a culture when people say the things they do about Oprah when all she is about is helping people. Thats what she does. My goodness if you can't stand Oprah who in the hell is there to like  really. I never got it either. I think it says a lot about someone if they don't like Oprah. And it ain't nothing good. I'm not saying ppl should idolize her, but I don't see anything that negative about herI graduated bitches!!! 12-19-09   | |
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VelvetJ said: So check out this sermon by yours truly.
I think most people here are aware of the fact that those deemed "good" are capabale of doing bad, and those that are deemed "bad" are capable of doing good. I can watch a KKK member leave a hate rally and rescue a sick puppy off of the street. That is an example of someone "bad" doing something good. But as a black man, you must be a FOOL if you think I will now invite him to my dinner table all under the banner of "he just proved people can be complex". That's some Bullsh*t. Yes, with no question, people are complex but that no lessens one's negative actions or their results. I care for all people but as a black man, I will admit I tend to be more concerned with issues that face the black community. Because of that I have a particular interest in things that I PERSONALLY FEEL directly affect my community. I PERSONALLY believe Hip Hop has had a profound impact on the black community and a lot of that impact has been negative. I PERSONALLY did not like the shift I noticed in the black community after the almost simultaneous explosion of NWA and 2 Live Crew. The black community had enough issues going on from crack to poverty, but the rise of those two groups and Gangsta Rap in general seemed to have had a impact on the community that we still have not recovered from. As a result, Hip Hop itself changed, fashion changed, dance changed, attitudes changed. Suddenly my cousins begin to tell me about drive-by's in Phoenix City Alabama and Savannah Georgia, and Toledo Ohio. I started to hear n*gga more than I had ever heard it in my life and from a wider range of people. In my little isolated world, t-shirts with the shoulders out suddenly became "wife beaters". I began to hear more profanity and women called out of their name in music, and videos became.....we know what videos became. In the general young black male population pants began to sag so low their underwear would clearly show. We started to see less pictures of Martin Luther King in homes and more of Tony Montana. In my lifetime as a black person, I have not witnessed anything else that SOOO effected our community on such a LARGE AND BROAD scale than Hip Hop. But the negative aspects of it were being glamorized which made the effect more potent imo. I said all of that to say this....I'm sure Ice Cube, Killer Mike, etc., can be nice to their wives and kids and probably create incredible songs talking about the love of women. But the results of the irresponsibility of their actions on the black community, particularly when there seems to be no remorse or any signs that they now have a understanding of how their actions affected so many (like Chris Tucker and Dave Chappelle), still far outweigh them having an ability to make a film like "Are We There Yet". And this just may be the case with Oprah, like it is with me. I am NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT saying Ice Cube/ Ludacris/50 Cent, etc. is the cause of all of black America's problems. But the irresponsibility of some of their actions and the visible results speak loudly. And loud enough for Oprah to still hear. Oprah is not perfect, and I think her critics are just as guilty of expecting that out of her as her supporters, but she appears to try to stand for most things that are positive in the world, including respect for women and black people and I support her on it. PREACH!!  | |
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So you are right, black people are in serious trouble when other black people make it and not give back.
***** I think Winfrey is doing amazing things to give back to the black community both domestically and internationally. Look at our shady, ramshackle national leadership that has yet to help the historical city of New Orleans get back on its feet. People are STILL homeless or displaced a year after the storm with no answers in sight for when they can return or where they're going to live, given nothing but the runaround from state and federal officials. People like Oprah Winfrey and the Marsalis family are in there BUILDING FREE HOMES for the disenfranchised where apparently the government big wigs don't give a DAMN. I understand that to whom much has been awarded, much is expected, but she just built an entire BLOCK of homes for Katrina victims, isn't that worth SOMETHING in terms of helping out people on your own home turf? And it's not as if she JUST started helping black people on the domestic front: I can recall as far back as the very early 90's being at a dinner for the Urban League where Winfrey was the Keynote speaker: she had just detailed a 5 year plan to take TEN families out of urban ghettoes annually, to pay rent, utilities, parents and their children's school or college tuition, including guidance counselors for the kids with direction for scholarship programs. But she wasn't there to brag, she was there to have regional members MATCH her contribution. It was very clear that if you couldn't take an entire family under your wing (let alone ten), that donations for school tuition (adults and children), living expenses, anything--- would go to help people in your chapter region, in great need and of great desire to move further in their lives. And in closing, I know it's judgmental of me, but the only thing I think of when I see alot of these current rappers (and certainly not ALL because you can't lump everyone into one bunch- but there are a distict few that come to mind), rather than being inspired about the good they are doing for the black community, I'm sitting in Europe watching them prance around on MTV in videos that show them on the French Riviera spitting champagne at the waitstaff of restaurants because they don't deem their offerings to their "standards"--- ...Sorry, but if I have to make a choice to support the philanthropic old lady with the talkshow that focuses on women's, children's, and international issues, or the ill-mannered I'm spiiting champagne at my waiter- music contingent... I'm rooting for the old lady  | |
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VelvetJ said: "Preachin' up a storm in here. . ."
. . .and there it is. | |
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Killer Mike is a nobody, a senseless, vague nonperson. His minor abilities fuel a small mind. Small people get crushed by their own stupidity. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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Oprah asskissers...movin on  | |
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HoneymoonXpress said: Oprah asskissers...movin on
How are people kissing her ass here? Simply because they support the charity causes she's taken up to do her small part to better humanity? That's a very mature and productive attitude ... | |
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Ottensen said: HoneymoonXpress said: Oprah asskissers...movin on
How are people kissing her ass here? Simply because they support the charity causes she's taken up to do her small part to better humanity? That's a very mature and productive attitude ...Exactly.I just don't understand all the negativity directed at Oprah.She's not the one who is going around actin' all "gangsta",promoting negative stereotypes and being a bad influence on today's youth. | |
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DavidEye said: Ottensen said: How are people kissing her ass here? Simply because they support the charity causes she's taken up to do her small part to better humanity? That's a very mature and productive attitude ...Exactly.I just don't understand all the negativity directed at Oprah.She's not the one who is going around actin' all "gangsta",promoting negative stereotypes and being a bad influence on today's youth. No, she's not...but she's also not reaching out to today's youth, either. If she got involved in the lives of inner city kids who are at high risk for crime like she does all these white women, I'd have more respect for her. The reality is, today's youth love hip hop. Is today's hip hop destructive? No doubt. But turning up her nose at the people behind it is not making for a "better humanity". It just plain shows that she's out of touch with YOUTH, particularly black youth, period... | |
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HoneymoonXpress said: DavidEye said: Exactly.I just don't understand all the negativity directed at Oprah.She's not the one who is going around actin' all "gangsta",promoting negative stereotypes and being a bad influence on today's youth. No, she's not...but she's also not reaching out to today's youth, either. If she got involved in the lives of inner city kids who are at high risk for crime like she does all these white women, I'd have more respect for her. The reality is, today's youth love hip hop. Is today's hip hop destructive? No doubt. But turning up her nose at the people behind it is not making for a "better humanity". It just plain shows that she's out of touch with YOUTH, particularly black youth, period... If she got involved in the lives of inner city kids who are at high risk for crime like she does all these white women, I'd have more respect for her. Its just absurd that you would say this...as if her show appeals to only white women. You have such a low picture of yourself that you don't think...health, employment, spiritual/religeous issue apply to black women? save us Jesus...please help us Lord our God! Its just beyond absurd what you said in that statement Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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HoneymoonXpress said: DavidEye said: Exactly.I just don't understand all the negativity directed at Oprah.She's not the one who is going around actin' all "gangsta",promoting negative stereotypes and being a bad influence on today's youth. No, she's not...but she's also not reaching out to today's youth, either. If she got involved in the lives of inner city kids who are at high risk for crime like she does all these white women, I'd have more respect for her. The reality is, today's youth love hip hop. Is today's hip hop destructive? No doubt. But turning up her nose at the people behind it is not making for a "better humanity". It just plain shows that she's out of touch with YOUTH, particularly black youth, period... First of all,how do you know what she does for today's youth? Many of her shows are about the education crisis in America.She is putting a spotlight on the problems that are facing the youth.I know for a fact that she gives MILLIONS to charity each year.She has been to Africa several times and has donated generous sums of money.She donated $10 million to the city of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina and went there personally to distribute items that she had bought for the victims.That's far more than any of those self-obsessed,bling-wearing,trash-talking,pimp-wannabee rappers have done. | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: HoneymoonXpress said: No, she's not...but she's also not reaching out to today's youth, either. If she got involved in the lives of inner city kids who are at high risk for crime like she does all these white women, I'd have more respect for her. The reality is, today's youth love hip hop. Is today's hip hop destructive? No doubt. But turning up her nose at the people behind it is not making for a "better humanity". It just plain shows that she's out of touch with YOUTH, particularly black youth, period... If she got involved in the lives of inner city kids who are at high risk for crime like she does all these white women, I'd have more respect for her. Its just absurd that you would say this...as if her show appeals to only white women. You have such a low picture of yourself that you don't think...health, employment, spiritual/religeous issue apply to black women? save us Jesus...please help us Lord our God! Its just beyond absurd what you said in that statement I hear you  . And the fact that those are issues that mean just as much to us as it does our white female counterparts that we get labled ASSKISSERS? Good Lawd, that is sad, indeed.
I'm sorry that I don't have the time or wherewithall to list everything Oprah has done for the domestic Black American community in terms of charity and contribution. However, being a member of Urban Leaugue and the NAACP I am aware of many instances where she has put out "match" drives to encourage us not only to talk the talk, but, as I heard from her own mouth in person at fundraising drives, to "walk the walk". The woman is not ignoring the needs of the black community. But being that the cult of tv celebrity works both ways, I guess a lot of younger people are simply unaware about her quiet imput into (financially) encouraging education, small businesses, and women's empowerment in the Black community. Sadly, it's as if you're not under age 38 in the pop media, "blinging" yourself all over MTV (ie, like old, tired, but well intentioned Sean Combs), people either have no idea about what older generations are contributing, or maybe just refuse to accept them for whatever reason | |
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HoneymoonXpress said: The reality is, today's youth love hip hop. Is today's hip hop destructive? No doubt. But turning up her nose at the people behind it is not making for a "better humanity". It just plain shows that she's out of touch with YOUTH, particularly black youth, period...
So,because young kids like this music,Oprah should just be a hypocrite and support it,even though much of it is is degrading,offensive and goes against the positive messages that she is trying to promote?  Just because something is "popular" doesn't mean it is good and I think Oprah is wise to distance herself from this crap.Her shows are about self-empowerment,having a positive outlook on life,achieving your goals and taking care of your business.How ridiculous would she look if she were to suddenly start supporting rappers who do nothing but brag about their bling-bling,their "pimping" skills,their sexual conquests,and the size of their dicks? Contrary to what you may think,not EVERY black person supports the hip-hop lifestyle,no matter how popular it may be. | |
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DavidEye said: HoneymoonXpress said: The reality is, today's youth love hip hop. Is today's hip hop destructive? No doubt. But turning up her nose at the people behind it is not making for a "better humanity". It just plain shows that she's out of touch with YOUTH, particularly black youth, period...
So,because young kids like this music,Oprah should just be a hypocrite and support it,even though much of it is is degrading,offensive and goes against the positive messages that she is trying to promote? Just because something is "popular" doesn't mean it is good and I think Oprah is wise to distance herself from this crap.Her shows are about self-empowerment,having a positive outlook on life,achieving your goals and taking care of your business.How ridiculous would she look if she were to suddenly start supporting rappers who do nothing but brag about their bling-bling,their "pimping" skills,their sexual conquests,and the size of their dicks? Contrary to what you may think,not EVERY black person supports the hip-hop lifestyle,no matter how popular it may be.Bravo, bravo, bravo!!
You should have your own talkshow Davideye. You could teach some people a thing or two. | |
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kisscamille said: DavidEye said: So,because young kids like this music,Oprah should just be a hypocrite and support it,even though much of it is is degrading,offensive and goes against the positive messages that she is trying to promote? Just because something is "popular" doesn't mean it is good and I think Oprah is wise to distance herself from this crap.Her shows are about self-empowerment,having a positive outlook on life,achieving your goals and taking care of your business.How ridiculous would she look if she were to suddenly start supporting rappers who do nothing but brag about their bling-bling,their "pimping" skills,their sexual conquests,and the size of their dicks? Contrary to what you may think,not EVERY black person supports the hip-hop lifestyle,no matter how popular it may be.Bravo, bravo, bravo!!
You should have your own talkshow Davideye. You could teach some people a thing or two. Yea right, his ass would be cancelled before he open his mouth to say "Hello, and welcome to the DavidEye Show". Sad but true  I graduated bitches!!! 12-19-09 | |
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PurpleRighteous1 said: kisscamille said: Bravo, bravo, bravo!!
You should have your own talkshow Davideye. You could teach some people a thing or two. Yea right, his ass would be cancelled before he open his mouth to say "Hello, and welcome to the DavidEye Show". Sad but true The real unfortunate thing here is the fact that you're sad, but true!  | |
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kisscamille said: PurpleRighteous1 said: Yea right, his ass would be cancelled before he open his mouth to say "Hello, and welcome to the DavidEye Show". Sad but true The real unfortunate thing here is the fact that you're sad, but true! Wow, excuse me, but I was speaking to the fact that society would not allow, or rather not accept someone who would so openly bash popular culture even if it is offensive and damaging (unless of course they have tenure like Oprah and obviously even she is getting ripped a new one). DavidEye is not in any way wrong in his thinking or his words. I'm sorry my lack of faith in the world upsets you I graduated bitches!!! 12-19-09 | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: HoneymoonXpress said: No, she's not...but she's also not reaching out to today's youth, either. If she got involved in the lives of inner city kids who are at high risk for crime like she does all these white women, I'd have more respect for her. The reality is, today's youth love hip hop. Is today's hip hop destructive? No doubt. But turning up her nose at the people behind it is not making for a "better humanity". It just plain shows that she's out of touch with YOUTH, particularly black youth, period... If she got involved in the lives of inner city kids who are at high risk for crime like she does all these white women, I'd have more respect for her. Its just absurd that you would say this...as if her show appeals to only white women. You have such a low picture of yourself that you don't think...health, employment, spiritual/religeous issue apply to black women? save us Jesus...please help us Lord our God! Its just beyond absurd what you said in that statement fuck you, I have a very HIGH picture of myself, thank you very much, and I DIDN'T NEED to get encouraged by the Almighty Oprah in order to do so...
Most women (both black AND white) act like they won't make a move unless Oprah says its ok... [Edited 6/30/06 11:57am] | |
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HoneymoonXpress said: Alexandernvrmind said: If she got involved in the lives of inner city kids who are at high risk for crime like she does all these white women, I'd have more respect for her. Its just absurd that you would say this...as if her show appeals to only white women. You have such a low picture of yourself that you don't think...health, employment, spiritual/religeous issue apply to black women? save us Jesus...please help us Lord our God! Its just beyond absurd what you said in that statement fuck you, I have a very HIGH picture of myself, thank you very much, and I DIDN'T NEED to get encouraged by the Almighty Oprah in order to do so...
Most women (both black AND white) act like they won't make a move unless Oprah says its ok...
[Edited 6/30/06 11:57am] Newsflash: the rest of us don't NEED to get encouraged by her either, we are fully capable of finding self-encoragement on our own. But I'll be damned if I don't apprceciate the work she's doing on behalf of children and women domestically and internationally. I identify very strongly with her desire to help others, as it is a credo in my own life. Your statements are immature and insulting to many of us out here who do try to "walk the walk" as well talk the talk for making change in the community. And who here thinks Oprah is "Almighty"??? I certainly don't, I would think that no one else here does either. Let the record show that you are the person in this dialogue who insists on throwing around phrases like "asskissers", "almightly Oprah", so it reflects more on you and how you measure what it means to be a humanitarian than it does the rest of us. Oh, and for anyone who's interested, or knows of anyone looking for funding for projects to help inner city youth, grants are available through Oprah's Angel Network. The last time I heard, $6,000,000 has been awarded to everything from literacy programs to solitary individuals in small communities featured in the "Use Your Life" Program. You can contact Harpo or email through the Oprah website to request an application. | |
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Ottensen said: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah duh duh duh duh duh blah blah blah
whatever take ya'lls Oprah worshipping ass somewhere and shut up...
The bitch is fake and pretentious, end of discussion. | |
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HoneymoonXpress said: Ottensen said: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah duh duh duh duh duh blah blah blah
whatever take ya'lls Oprah worshipping ass somewhere and shut up...
The bitch is fake and pretentious, end of discussion. Try this on for size: you do not own this forum and have no say when this discussion ends. The last time I checked that was a decision left to the moderators of Prince.Org. Having an opinion different others here is not an issue. That's why we engage in dialogue. However, your rudeness IS an issue. No one here is trying to insult you or call you names for not agreeing with them on this topic. Please have the maturity to extend the same courtesy to the rest of us. | |
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Ottensen said: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
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kisscamille said: DavidEye said: So,because young kids like this music,Oprah should just be a hypocrite and support it,even though much of it is is degrading,offensive and goes against the positive messages that she is trying to promote? Just because something is "popular" doesn't mean it is good and I think Oprah is wise to distance herself from this crap.Her shows are about self-empowerment,having a positive outlook on life,achieving your goals and taking care of your business.How ridiculous would she look if she were to suddenly start supporting rappers who do nothing but brag about their bling-bling,their "pimping" skills,their sexual conquests,and the size of their dicks? Contrary to what you may think,not EVERY black person supports the hip-hop lifestyle,no matter how popular it may be.Bravo, bravo, bravo!!
You should have your own talkshow Davideye. You could teach some people a thing or two. Preaching to the choir. Now I'm not a big fan of Oprah's show, but I applaud her for being positive and supporting her people. These modern-day minstrels, er "rappers" need to check themselves. WTF are they doing? Put your money where your mouth is! |
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