RipHer2Shreds said:

Precisely.

Alot of these rappers remind me of bad ass kids in 7th grade who just want to jump on the bandwagon and instigate a fights in the playground for so called- street cred...

...I never could stand bad assed kids .

lyecry said:

There ya go killer!

Might I add that Luda loosing the Pepsi contract for being obscene was racist anyway. Then they turn around and gave the Pepsi deal to Ozzy Osbourne???!???? The Prince of darkness, the same person who bit the head off of a bat, sniffed ants, almost killed his wife, and he has children that curse just as bad as Ludacris right in front of their parents. When you are whiter it seems like it’s just a little bit righter.

Oprah’s show appeals to white middle and upper class American women so she has to play devils advocate and play it safe, but she is still black and I’m glad that the rappers are calling her out. Keep sending money to Africa Oprah that’s good, however you live in Chicago. The high schools on the south side of Chicago are poorly funded. For every dollar spent on a black school that’s three to five dollars spent on a white school. The school I attended has a 65% drop out rate. Charity starts at home. But maybe giving to a school on the south side of Chicago doesn’t get your name in the paper.

I hope they all get together to write a song about her rich ex coke head ass. Fuck her, people act like she is black Mother Mary or something.
[Edited 6/6/06 15:18pm]

Ludacris was on Conan last night. I decided to watch to see how interesting of a guest he'd be. What I learned about Ludacris from the interview:

1. he's an expert on strip clubs and thinks that Atlanta has the best ones
2. The most important trait when looking for a woman is that she has to have pretty feet. If she's super intelligent and have ugly feet, then he can't really "work" with that.
3. He likes to drive fast. He once drove over 200 mph on Germany's Autobahn. He drove over 100 mph in Atlanta and got a speeding ticket and was forced to go to driving school.
4. He writes his songs while driving with his knees. I guess that explains why they're so shitty
5. He likes to party

This is ridiculous.What's next...Jay Z calls Oprah a "traitor"? Lil Jon calls Oprah a "rich bitch who can suck my dick"?? These rappers need to shut the fuck up and instead focus on the negative images and stereotypes that they promote.These guys come out with offensive crap like "Wait Til You See My Dick" and "I'm In Love With A Stripper" and they wonder why a classy,intelligent woman like Oprah doesn't want them on her show?! Please!

But seriously, who's Killer Mike? Never heard of the dude.

WHO CARES IF OPRAH DOESN'T LIKE HIP-HOP?!?!?! She's probably not a Hip-Hop fan anyway. I don't like Death Metal. Do you think Canibal Corpse cares? Hell no. They cash their checks and keep it movin'...

BUT I'll bet you this, she's gonna put out a BS compilation of Hip-Hop tunes that SHE likes, and then you'll have a bunch of Suburban Soccer moms buying it and trying to get into Hip-Hop (30 years late). At that point the joke WILL be on Hip-Hop.

Meloh9 said:

this woman has given away 50 million to charity...you want to throw her under the bus for Ludacris?? Who has about as much common sense and consciousness as an egg plant. Like I said black folks in serious trouble

But seriously, who's Killer Mike? Never heard of the dude.

Oh, I get it. So, the "RIGHT" thing to do for Oprah is to be a self-righteous moralist and judge Ice Cube and Luda accordingly and invite everybody BUT Ice Cube to her show to talk about HIS project which had NOTHING to do with rap and edit out Ludacris's answers to her comments to make herself look more self-righteous? Oh, I see. Whatever. Figures that would be the attitude on a Prince fansite.
[Edited 6/8/06 7:14am]

Alexandernvrmind said:

No it's because I am from the south side of Chicago and she is black and her show is based in Chicago and her "charity" does very little to help that area. Like I said the school I went to is poorly funded and many kids drop out. If education is the key then why are most black schools at such a disadvantage?

So you are right, black people are in serious trouble when other black people make it and not give back.

I'm tired of all this race shit on the org anyway. This was once the one place I could come and talk about MUSIC ( not social politics ). Now all this race and political crap keeps popping up.


With people waving flags "hey white people on the org ( the internet by the way ) I'm not like these nigga's you see on TV just wanted to let you know Master

All the while I'm sure some whites on the org are sending each other private messages and having a ball watching us disagree.

And the mods I noticed did very little to remove a topic with the title "Nigga" ( which is in a MUSIC section of the forums) and that topic is getting out of control.

So don't come to me with that crap I'm the wrong one.

Oh yeah and to the whites that are bias, remember, if it wasn't for Prince's BLACK ass you wouldn't be on this site.

Meloh9 said:

damn is that what this is about for you? ==> With people waving flags "hey white people on the org ( the internet by the way ) I'm not like these nigga's you see on TV just wanted to let you know Master


thats crazy man we have got to be able to talk openly if we are to debate openly

Alexandernvrmind said:

but why the org?

after awhile I start to question the intent of it all. There are plenty of black forums all over the net to talk about this. And further more debating about these issues with random yahoo's over the net does nothing to change the conditions that we complain about in the first place.

BlaqueKnight said:

1. What the hell does Prince have to do with this?

2. I totally agree with you. Oprah is a self righteous, judgemental, pretentious, white-woman pleasing bitch.

She treated Kirk Franklin the SAME DAMNED WAY when he appeared on her show (and he doesn't sing about nasty stuff) but he did admit to a porn addiction. Because of that, Oprah showed NO MERCY towards him, EVEN AFTER he said that he no longer watched porn.

FUCK OPRAH

Alexandernvrmind said:

but why the org?

after awhile I start to question the intent of it all. There are plenty of black forums all over the net to talk about this. And further more debating about these issues with random yahoo's over the net does nothing to change the conditions that we complain about in the first place.

HoneymoonXpress said:

OMG I'm sorry but I saw the Kirk Franklin show - how in the hell did she treat him unfairly?? Do tell

CalhounSq said:

I saw the show with Kirk Franklin and I don't think Oprha was harsh or unfair.She did point out that he was probably "hypocritical" (reading porn magazines while trying to present a positive image to the public),but even he agreed with this assessment.

Meloh9 said:

Umm, why NOT on the Org?

No it's because I am from the south side of Chicago and she is black and her show is based in Chicago and her "charity" does very little to help that area. Like I said the school I went to is poorly funded and many kids drop out. If education is the key then why are most black schools at such a disadvantage?

So you are right, black people are in serious trouble when other black people make it and not give back.

DavidEye said:

That's the way I remember it too

Meloh9 said:

Man, please. Oprah has given millions to help black people specifically with their education. Just because she hasn't given to you and the charities you feel need help doesn't mean she doesn't care and is ignoring the plight. She gives to mostly college students anyway, so maybe that's where your beef is.

CalhounSq said:

I already explained it

I can't stand Oprah. I never watch her show, and when I see her on TV, or hear her name, I think, Ick

So check out this sermon by yours truly.

I think most people here are aware of the fact that those deemed "good" are capabale of doing bad, and those that are deemed "bad" are capable of doing good. I can watch a KKK member leave a hate rally and rescue a sick puppy off of the street. That is an example of someone "bad" doing something good. But as a black man, you must be a FOOL if you think I will now invite him to my dinner table all under the banner of "he just proved people can be complex". That's some Bullsh*t. Yes, with no question, people are complex but that no lessens one's negative actions or their results.

I care for all people but as a black man, I will admit I tend to be more concerned with issues that face the black community. Because of that I have a particular interest in things that I PERSONALLY FEEL directly affect my community. I PERSONALLY believe Hip Hop has had a profound impact on the black community and a lot of that impact has been negative. I PERSONALLY did not like the shift I noticed in the black community after the almost simultaneous explosion of NWA and 2 Live Crew. The black community had enough issues going on from crack to poverty, but the rise of those two groups and Gangsta Rap in general seemed to have had a impact on the community that we still have not recovered from. As a result, Hip Hop itself changed, fashion changed, dance changed, attitudes changed. Suddenly my cousins begin to tell me about drive-by's in Phoenix City Alabama and Savannah Georgia, and Toledo Ohio. I started to hear n*gga more than I had ever heard it in my life and from a wider range of people. In my little isolated world, t-shirts with the shoulders out suddenly became "wife beaters". I began to hear more profanity and women called out of their name in music, and videos became.....we know what videos became. In the general young black male population pants began to sag so low their underwear would clearly show. We started to see less pictures of Martin Luther King in homes and more of Tony Montana. In my lifetime as a black person, I have not witnessed anything else that SOOO effected our community on such a LARGE AND BROAD scale than Hip Hop. But the negative aspects of it were being glamorized which made the effect more potent imo.

I said all of that to say this....I'm sure Ice Cube, Killer Mike, etc., can be nice to their wives and kids and probably create incredible songs talking about the love of women. But the results of the irresponsibility of their actions on the black community, particularly when there seems to be no remorse or any signs that they now have a understanding of how their actions affected so many (like Chris Tucker and Dave Chappelle), still far outweigh them having an ability to make a film like "Are We There Yet". And this just may be the case with Oprah, like it is with me.

I am NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT saying Ice Cube/ Ludacris/50 Cent, etc. is the cause of all of black America's problems. But the irresponsibility of some of their actions and the visible results speak loudly. And loud enough for Oprah to still hear.

Oprah is not perfect, and I think her critics are just as guilty of expecting that out of her as her supporters, but she appears to try to stand for most things that are positive in the world, including respect for women and black people and I support her on it.

By the way, who is Killer Mike?
[Edited 6/26/06 13:48pm]