roundables said:

DavidEye said:

Spelman banned Nelly from coming to their campus because of that video

AnckSuNamun said:

Well surprise, surprise. Isn't Ludacris a clever guy. We should all strive to be more like him

AnckSuNamun said:

and rightfully so

I understand that he was trying to find a bone marrow match for his sister,and the Spelman girls really wanted to help him.But if he's gonna release offensive,degrading crap like "Tip Drill",he needs to be held accountable for the message he's sending out.They actually didn't ban him from coming to Spelman....he chickened out when he heard there would be a protest.Apparently,he didn't have the balls to confront them and explain why he disrespects black women

kisscamille said:

"he writes his songs while driving with his knees"

That's probably how he came up with the brilliant,amazing jam "Move Bitch!"

She may simply find the shit boring ass hell. Whether if the message in it is good or bad, if it sounds boring as hell to you, well it just sounds boring as hell to you.

I don't know what her reasons are for disliking it but there are people who dislike simply because it doesn't sound good to them. It's also getting all the airplay and keeping everything else out. If you don't like something, you don't give it more exposure to help it grow, you ignore it and hope it either dies or goes underground soon and hope that something better comes along to replace it. No, she doesn't have the power to do that alone but she does have a show of her own and a say as to who appears on it.

I don't care what her reasons are but I'm for anything to try to drive it out of style. I ain't never been so bored with music in my life.

DavidEye said:

i get ur point but what about the women, IMO the if anyone is sendin a seriously fucked message as far as the vids go its the chicks in them. they're basically sayin this is ok and i want u to treat me this way. i love it when the convo turns this way and the womens contribution isnt discussed, they're just as bad if not worse

DavidEye said:

oh...even better

BlaqueKnight said:

It's her show she can do what she wants. Everybody has their individual morals that they abide by. She has her respect that and move on. She doesn't have to have every Tom, Dick, and Harry on her show. Do you allow every Tom, Dick, and Harry in your house?

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Nobody is saying the women aren't lame for that ish. I didn't agree w/ Oprah having Superhead's ass on her show in the least.

roundables said:

As you said, "its her show".

roundables said:

I'm just shocked she never brought up the nickname "superhead" That seems like something O would wanna say over & over & drive into the ground

Oprah: So they started calling you a nickname, what is that nickname?
SH: It was...
Oprah: "Superhead, right?"
SH: Yes.
Oprah: "SUPER... HEAD", yes, Superhead. And WHY did they call you that? "Superhead" Why did they call you Superhead?"
SH: Well, umm...





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roundables said:

I did. That girl may be insincere, money hungry, and vindictive, but she's right. All those things she said on that show were right on the money. I'd rather have a person who was in that life say it and not mean it than not have anyone from that life come forward, which is something I haven't seen. It kinda sucks, but u take what u can get

CalhounSq said:

That would've been pretty funny

Moonwalkbjrain said:

No argument there.Those women should be ashamed at the way they allow themselves to be portrayed.The entire hip-hop community (the rappers,the video directors,the ladies in the videos,record execs,etc) needs to take a long,hard look at itself.Things have gotten out of control.
[Edited 6/9/06 7:10am]

Here's the disconnect for me, though: Women are universally objectified, not just by rap stars. And, Oprah has had numerous "guilty parties" on her show as guests.

Prince practically built his career on objectification of women. Some of his female fans have internalized it as "obsession" or "worship" but, in the 1980s, it was a no-brainer how he would have his female proteges dress: in next to nothing.

Female artists over-sexualize (is that a word?) themselves -- even Oprah guest Eve has been known to play up a sexy image. Is it misogyny when men do it and feminism when women do it?

Tom Cruise's "Eyes Wide Shut" and "Vanilla Sky" had a number of scenes where women were treated as sex objects. He's Oprah's best friend, it seems; he even gets to jump on her furniture. But, I'll avoid talking about the Cruise "I love this woman" campaign.

I'm not turning a blind eye to rap's offenses. But, she seems a bit inconsistent to her moral standard -- if that's what's really behind her opposition to having rappers such as Ice Cube. To her, it's about denying a legitimacy already established by American consumers. Cube's legit, but not worthy of her show? Whatever.

AnckSuNamun said:

And he's kinda arrogant too. When Conan complimented him on having a deep voice. He kept on going on about how blessed he was to have a voice that can woo the ladies.

lyecry said:

I saw that He won't woo me with it

roundables said:

You guys still don't get it.....

lyecry said:

?

murph said:

Could you not generalize everyone here. I get it. Luda and Ice Cube have legitimate beefs with Oprah. Everybody else who tries to get into the arguement is trippin'. Now, this person doesn't get it, but this discussion has shifted from talking about how wrong it was of Oprah to cut out peoples comments, to how stupid all these other rappers are for accusing Oprah of not liking hip hop, poor people, and being a sellout. They keep acting like it's wrong of Oprah to dislike hip hop, which she doesn't, when they know damn well how offensive their stuff is. And if they don't know, that's a damn shame.

PurpleRighteous1 said:

co sign w/purple

and roundables i brought that up cuz it hasnt been mentioned at all. this thread has gone in the direction of the effect rappers have on the black community and i feel like the women are just as much at fault, BUT i bet oprah will do a video girl show b4 she ever does one on positive hip hop or even the negative, just cuz they can sit there and cry about how they've been exploited. i feel the rappers are to a certain extent too

ThreadBare said:

interesting points

DavidEye said:

exactly

Yeah, that's exactly what Oraph and her little band of housewives and corporate employees want to hear is some rappers getting up there talking about the length of the skirts of their videhoes and the streets n' shit and their new clothing line, blah blah blah. Rap is so tired right now that perhaps if someone was sayin' something of some substance then perhaps she might invite them. What's Ice Cube gonna talk about the art of scowling?

I'd rather her get the Punany Poets on her show, I'll watch then!

LQ

BlaqueKnight said:

Right it's her show and her moral ideals. It doesn't matter what I think she can have or not have whomever she wants.

PurpleRighteous1 said:

Not generalizing homie...Just speaking about the folks that continue to miss the original point of the debate...Hence the quote...It's all good though...just trying to enlighten some folks..