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To those who think 2pac was a rapist... | |
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Is the clip supposed to sway somebody's opinion one way or the other? I dunno. I never really formed an opinion on the matter, because I didn't look into it enough. I can't see how the clip would change the mind of somebody who believed him to be guilty of the charges. | |
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Alot of people think 2pac went to jail for rape, but he went to jail for a sodomy charge and a sodomy charge in NY is as simple of touching a woman on the ass and since there was no evidence of an acutal rape as the "victim" claimed, that sodomy charge is what put Pac went to jail for, which he NEVER shouldve went to jail for to began with cause:
1) the chick was a groupie who Pac met the night before at a nightclub - she willingfully gave Pac oral sex just cause of the simple fact that he was a star - so yes, if Pac touched her on her ass, she didnt mind. 2) And the night of the allegedly rape, she was dressed provocatively, and none of her clothes were ripped or wrinkled as he claimed they were ripped off, and she left sexual messages of Pac's answering machine which would have proved Pac's innocence but were erased by the police themselves (y'all never hear about that shit) Pac didnt even invite the chick the hotel, the two other guys in his entourage di - one of them being police informant who would help orchestrate the Times Square studio shooting in which Pac is shot 5 times. And evidence of one of them being a police informent is the fact that Pac and these two guys were charged with the same crime, but their trial was seperated from Pac's. And while Pac received a prison sentence to serve time for this charge, these other two guys (who alledgedly did the acutal sexual assault - even according to the victim's account) had gotten off with LESSER sentences. Pac's lawyers did a background check on one of them (Jacques Agant a.k.a. Hatian Jack) and discovered that he had committed several criminal offenses but had never did anytime in prison. | |
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That clip didn't prove anything, but good try though
inever believed, Pac was a rapist... lt was logically incorrect, and the evidence was in his favor, but the negative image he had at the time was basically ruining his chances of an aquittal... Whether Pac did or didn't do it isn'the case... did the punishment fit the crime, Sodomy is a misdemeanor which results in a fine Jail time? c'mon... something was up... But Pac did his time and came out even stronger I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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Didn't watch the clip but didn't the girl in question give him head on the dancefloor of a club??? I remember hearing that, unless I'm getting my skank actions mixed up | |
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Honestly.....99% of the time when I hear about so called rapes by well known, highly paid people, I pretty much now there is a 99% chance that the rape did NOT occur. That's not to say it doesn't happen, but these chicks mostly are trying to get paid or are mad at the guy.
Mike Tyson when to prison for this type of crap. | |
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Graycap23 said: Honestly.....99% of the time when I hear about so called rapes by well known, highly paid people, I pretty much now there is a 99% chance that the rape did NOT occur. That's not to say it doesn't happen, but these chicks mostly are trying to get paid or are mad at the guy.
Mike Tyson when to prison for this type of crap. Given the fact that Mike is completely fucking NUTS I'm not so sure his case was "crap"... Granted, some women are out there trying to get paid BUT the phenomenon also makes for an easy defense w/ celebs that really do commit the crime. So you never know - it's never right to assume that the chick is always (or even 99% of the time) lying... | |
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CalhounSq said: Graycap23 said: Honestly.....99% of the time when I hear about so called rapes by well known, highly paid people, I pretty much now there is a 99% chance that the rape did NOT occur. That's not to say it doesn't happen, but these chicks mostly are trying to get paid or are mad at the guy.
Mike Tyson when to prison for this type of crap. Given the fact that Mike is completely fucking NUTS I'm not so sure his case was "crap"... Granted, some women are out there trying to get paid BUT the phenomenon also makes for an easy defense w/ celebs that really do commit the crime. So you never know - it's never right to assume that the chick is always (or even 99% of the time) lying... Being nuts and raping someone are NOT related. Mike's rep got him put into jail. The FACTS of this case were ignored. | |
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Graycap23 said: CalhounSq said: Given the fact that Mike is completely fucking NUTS I'm not so sure his case was "crap"... Granted, some women are out there trying to get paid BUT the phenomenon also makes for an easy defense w/ celebs that really do commit the crime. So you never know - it's never right to assume that the chick is always (or even 99% of the time) lying... Being nuts and raping someone are NOT related. Mike's rep got him put into jail. The FACTS of this case were ignored. I know being nuts & rape are not directly tied BUT the fact that Tyson has been known to have fits of violence is suspect. Who knows what he turned into once she got in that room? It's just not open & shut for me. I admit I can't remember the particulars of the case b/c it's been so long but I remember feeling like it could have been possible w/ him, ANYTHING is possible w/ a mental case like that. Remember these quotes?: "I'm gonna eat your children! I'll fuck you & make you love me!" I mean really, he's a sick bastid... | |
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Graycap23 said: CalhounSq said: Given the fact that Mike is completely fucking NUTS I'm not so sure his case was "crap"... Granted, some women are out there trying to get paid BUT the phenomenon also makes for an easy defense w/ celebs that really do commit the crime. So you never know - it's never right to assume that the chick is always (or even 99% of the time) lying... Being nuts and raping someone are NOT related. Mike's rep got him put into jail. The FACTS of this case were ignored. ..... Somewhere in the vicinity of 50% of the women I've gone with in my life have told me they were either raped as women or molested as girls. Many, many of them were not being truthful, according to my definition of the truth. What you need to understand is that women and men process the truth *VERY* differently. What is *true* to a man is the facts of the matter at hand. What is *true* to a woman is that which gives her strong/strongest emotions. A woman who as a matter of fact was never raped can tell to the whole world that she was raped and to *her*, in *her* mind, she *is not* lying. The *truth* to her is the strong emotions she gets from *talking* about her *rape*. This shit is deep, I am telling you. Why do woman flock so much to men who tell them lies? Because to a woman, when men make shit it up, if it gives them strong emotions to hear it, its *not* a lie. How can it be a lie when it makes her *feel* (good, bad, whatever, any emotion really) so strongly? Get it? | |
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darkstranger521 said: Graycap23 said: Being nuts and raping someone are NOT related. Mike's rep got him put into jail. The FACTS of this case were ignored. ..... Somewhere in the vicinity of 50% of the women I've gone with in my life have told me they were either raped as women or molested as girls. Many, many of them were not being truthful, according to my definition of the truth. What you need to understand is that women and men process the truth *VERY* differently. What is *true* to a man is the facts of the matter at hand. What is *true* to a woman is that which gives her strong/strongest emotions. A woman who as a matter of fact was never raped can tell to the whole world that she was raped and to *her*, in *her* mind, she *is not* lying. The *truth* to her is the strong emotions she gets from *talking* about her *rape*. This shit is deep, I am telling you. Why do woman flock so much to men who tell them lies? Because to a woman, when men make shit it up, if it gives them strong emotions to hear it, its *not* a lie. How can it be a lie when it makes her *feel* (good, bad, whatever, any emotion really) so strongly? Get it? I think you're discrediting a hell of a lot of women who were actually, truly & factually raped with this theory of yours I mean, you're basically chalking it up to being all in her mind. I mean, rape doesn't exist b/c YOU feel like women are lying about it? Maybe I'm jumping here but I don't get it | |
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CalhounSq said: darkstranger521 said: ..... Somewhere in the vicinity of 50% of the women I've gone with in my life have told me they were either raped as women or molested as girls. Many, many of them were not being truthful, according to my definition of the truth. What you need to understand is that women and men process the truth *VERY* differently. What is *true* to a man is the facts of the matter at hand. What is *true* to a woman is that which gives her strong/strongest emotions. A woman who as a matter of fact was never raped can tell to the whole world that she was raped and to *her*, in *her* mind, she *is not* lying. The *truth* to her is the strong emotions she gets from *talking* about her *rape*. This shit is deep, I am telling you. Why do woman flock so much to men who tell them lies? Because to a woman, when men make shit it up, if it gives them strong emotions to hear it, its *not* a lie. How can it be a lie when it makes her *feel* (good, bad, whatever, any emotion really) so strongly? Get it? I think you're discrediting a hell of a lot of women who were actually, truly & factually raped with this theory of yours I mean, you're basically chalking it up to being all in her mind. I mean, rape doesn't exist b/c YOU feel like women are lying about it? Maybe I'm jumping here but I don't get it Me neither. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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Prospect said: Alot of people think 2pac went to jail for rape, but he went to jail for a sodomy charge and a sodomy charge in NY is as simple of touching a woman on the ass and since there was no evidence of an acutal rape as the "victim" claimed, that sodomy charge is what put Pac went to jail for, which he NEVER shouldve went to jail for to began with cause:
1) the chick was a groupie who Pac met the night before at a nightclub - she willingfully gave Pac oral sex just cause of the simple fact that he was a star - so yes, if Pac touched her on her ass, she didnt mind. 2) And the night of the allegedly rape, she was dressed provocatively, and none of her clothes were ripped or wrinkled as he claimed they were ripped off, and she left sexual messages of Pac's answering machine which would have proved Pac's innocence but were erased by the police themselves (y'all never hear about that shit) Pac didnt even invite the chick the hotel, the two other guys in his entourage di - one of them being police informant who would help orchestrate the Times Square studio shooting in which Pac is shot 5 times. And evidence of one of them being a police informent is the fact that Pac and these two guys were charged with the same crime, but their trial was seperated from Pac's. And while Pac received a prison sentence to serve time for this charge, these other two guys (who alledgedly did the acutal sexual assault - even according to the victim's account) had gotten off with LESSER sentences. Pac's lawyers did a background check on one of them (Jacques Agant a.k.a. Hatian Jack) and discovered that he had committed several criminal offenses but had never did anytime in prison. ya know, some of that stuff is entirely irrelevant as to whether or not rape occured - like her being provocatively dressed, her willingly giving him oral sex etc (unless the rape charge related to the oral sex). | |
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Omadon said: Prospect said: Alot of people think 2pac went to jail for rape, but he went to jail for a sodomy charge and a sodomy charge in NY is as simple of touching a woman on the ass and since there was no evidence of an acutal rape as the "victim" claimed, that sodomy charge is what put Pac went to jail for, which he NEVER shouldve went to jail for to began with cause:
1) the chick was a groupie who Pac met the night before at a nightclub - she willingfully gave Pac oral sex just cause of the simple fact that he was a star - so yes, if Pac touched her on her ass, she didnt mind. 2) And the night of the allegedly rape, she was dressed provocatively, and none of her clothes were ripped or wrinkled as he claimed they were ripped off, and she left sexual messages of Pac's answering machine which would have proved Pac's innocence but were erased by the police themselves (y'all never hear about that shit) Pac didnt even invite the chick the hotel, the two other guys in his entourage di - one of them being police informant who would help orchestrate the Times Square studio shooting in which Pac is shot 5 times. And evidence of one of them being a police informent is the fact that Pac and these two guys were charged with the same crime, but their trial was seperated from Pac's. And while Pac received a prison sentence to serve time for this charge, these other two guys (who alledgedly did the acutal sexual assault - even according to the victim's account) had gotten off with LESSER sentences. Pac's lawyers did a background check on one of them (Jacques Agant a.k.a. Hatian Jack) and discovered that he had committed several criminal offenses but had never did anytime in prison. ya know, some of that stuff is entirely irrelevant as to whether or not rape occured - like her being provocatively dressed, her willingly giving him oral sex etc (unless the rape charge related to the oral sex). An excellent point. Wanted to say the same. The other point I wanted to make is that a lot of people who talk about rapes being reported don't seem to understand the number of rapes THAT NEVER ARE REPORTED. It typically takes a lot for a rape victim to even file a police report, let alone tell their loved ones. I don't think nearly as many women as you suggest make false accusations about being raped. | |
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ThreadBare said: Omadon said: ya know, some of that stuff is entirely irrelevant as to whether or not rape occured - like her being provocatively dressed, her willingly giving him oral sex etc (unless the rape charge related to the oral sex). An excellent point. Wanted to say the same. The other point I wanted to make is that a lot of people who talk about rapes being reported don't seem to understand the number of rapes THAT NEVER ARE REPORTED. It typically takes a lot for a rape victim to even file a police report, let alone tell their loved ones. I don't think nearly as many women as you suggest make false accusations about being raped. Good point. I've never been raped but I can only imagine the amount of (undeserved) shame that women feel when it happens - if it ever happened to me I hope that I would be able to report it but it's something so horrible & invasive I can see why some women want to just try to put it out of their minds & move on. By reporting it you have to retell it & live with it for a long time thereafter - not everyone is strong enough for that. Please folks, never just assume a woman is lying about rape. It's an incredibly difficult thing to have happen to you... | |
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CalhounSq said: ThreadBare said: An excellent point. Wanted to say the same. The other point I wanted to make is that a lot of people who talk about rapes being reported don't seem to understand the number of rapes THAT NEVER ARE REPORTED. It typically takes a lot for a rape victim to even file a police report, let alone tell their loved ones. I don't think nearly as many women as you suggest make false accusations about being raped. Good point. I've never been raped but I can only imagine the amount of (undeserved) shame that women feel when it happens - if it ever happened to me I hope that I would be able to report it but it's something so horrible & invasive I can see why some women want to just try to put it out of their minds & move on. By reporting it you have to retell it & live with it for a long time thereafter - not everyone is strong enough for that. Please folks, never just assume a woman is lying about rape. It's an incredibly difficult thing to have happen to you... It seems to me that some people would rather defend the celebrity than the victim. As Calhounsq stated, most rapes are not even reported because the woman is always blamed. She is made to feel like a slut who goes around fucking anyone she meets. Some may say she was dressed provocatively, she sent the wrong signals, she even rubbed up against someone or even suggest they go somewhere for sex. Whatever the case, rape is wrong and until it's happened to you or someone you love, you will never know. Without going into the details, someone close to me was raped many years ago. She reported it and he got off. Who knew?! | |
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CalhounSq said: "I'm gonna eat your children! I'll fuck you & make you love me!"
wtf? Space for sale... | |
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kisscamille said: CalhounSq said: Good point. I've never been raped but I can only imagine the amount of (undeserved) shame that women feel when it happens - if it ever happened to me I hope that I would be able to report it but it's something so horrible & invasive I can see why some women want to just try to put it out of their minds & move on. By reporting it you have to retell it & live with it for a long time thereafter - not everyone is strong enough for that. Please folks, never just assume a woman is lying about rape. It's an incredibly difficult thing to have happen to you... It seems to me that some people would rather defend the celebrity than the victim. As Calhounsq stated, most rapes are not even reported because the woman is always blamed. She is made to feel like a slut who goes around fucking anyone she meets. Some may say she was dressed provocatively, she sent the wrong signals, she even rubbed up against someone or even suggest they go somewhere for sex. Whatever the case, rape is wrong and until it's happened to you or someone you love, you will never know. Without going into the details, someone close to me was raped many years ago. She reported it and he got off. Who knew?! Rape is a terrible crime. No way can it be defended on ANY level. That said, people who are well known are TARGETS for this type of accusation. Kobe is a good example. It was a money grab, PLAIN and simple. | |
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Graycap23 said: kisscamille said: It seems to me that some people would rather defend the celebrity than the victim. As Calhounsq stated, most rapes are not even reported because the woman is always blamed. She is made to feel like a slut who goes around fucking anyone she meets. Some may say she was dressed provocatively, she sent the wrong signals, she even rubbed up against someone or even suggest they go somewhere for sex. Whatever the case, rape is wrong and until it's happened to you or someone you love, you will never know. Without going into the details, someone close to me was raped many years ago. She reported it and he got off. Who knew?! Rape is a terrible crime. No way can it be defended on ANY level. That said, people who are well known are TARGETS for this type of accusation. Kobe is a good example. It was a money grab, PLAIN and simple. Yes and I agree with you, however we should never assume that it's a money grab. Ever!!! And the victim should never be made to feel at fault, which is often the case. | |
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All I's know is that mother fucker peed in a cup and made someone drink it so I don't think rape would've been too much of a stretch for him. | |
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in 1983 a study was made investigating 556 alleged rape cases, 60 percent were found false accusations, this was a military study
in a new study made by oklahoma state 530,000 rape cases are reported but a third were found false, 15,000 based on dna evidence were true. Rape is a touchy subject because even if the women may be lying, the male is automatically imprisoned just on her word... He'll be released after the investigation... a kinda judicial backwardness The real problem is that the real women who are raped very rarely go to the police after being so traumatized, and the who women who falsify rape spoil it for the others. Cause than the real victims aren't believed, The boy who cried wolf theory... It also depends alot abou how state law is... I know here in new york, a rape charge is automatic imprisonment, Bail is several thousand dollars Do i think its right, considering any woman could make any false allegations? no... but their isn't any other alternative! guys just have to be careful who they piss off, and if you do have a good lawyer to defend you, cause if you don't its probably a good chance your going to jail, Rape may give women alot of power, but victims must be respected! until they are thoroughly discredited DNA evidence helps overturning alot of rape cases I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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kisscamille said: Graycap23 said: Rape is a terrible crime. No way can it be defended on ANY level. That said, people who are well known are TARGETS for this type of accusation. Kobe is a good example. It was a money grab, PLAIN and simple. Yes and I agree with you, however we should never assume that it's a money grab. Ever!!! And the victim should never be made to feel at fault, which is often the case. I don't know if I agree. I know of at least 10 people who were accused, (all rich and well known) and 10 for 10 were found not guity of ANy crime but were sued in "civil" court. Just like the Kobe case. I have seen this too many times when money is involved. call me jaded but I know some B.S. when I see/hear it. | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: in 1983 a study was made investigating 556 alleged rape cases, 60 percent were found false accusations, this was a military study
in a new study made by oklahoma state 530,000 rape cases are reported but a third were found false, 15,000 based on dna evidence were true I'd be interested in knowing the contexts and circumstances of those studies. For example, did the military study investigate cases only on bases? And, 15,000 based on dna evidence out of how many cases total? 20,000? 30,000? Numbers without context don't really prove anything. 24 bass players are lefthanded. | |
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sosgemini said: CalhounSq said: "I'm gonna eat your children! I'll fuck you & make you love me!"
wtf? That was the oh so sane Mike Tyson @ a press conference speaking to a journalist. Apparently he didn't like the question I think it may have been 2 different pressers for each statement | |
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ThreadBare said: EmbattledWarrior said: in 1983 a study was made investigating 556 alleged rape cases, 60 percent were found false accusations, this was a military study
in a new study made by oklahoma state 530,000 rape cases are reported but a third were found false, 15,000 based on dna evidence were true I'd be interested in knowing the contexts and circumstances of those studies. For example, did the military study investigate cases only on bases? And, 15,000 based on dna evidence out of how many cases total? 20,000? 30,000? Numbers without context don't really prove anything. 24 bass players are lefthanded. i went back to the site, seems i got the stats confused give you a link and a quote of the article i got it from http://www.fathersforlife...kingDV.htm "Rape. Advocacy information: 1-in-4 of college women are raped annually Actual statistics: A review of Oklahoma University enrolment data and information supplied by campus police yielded the estimate that the annualized rape risk for 1996 freshmen women at OU was 1 chance in 476. [Source: Deflating the Date Rape Scare: A Look At Campus Police Records by Michael P. Wright, Scientific Social Research, Norman, Oklahoma] BJS report NCJ-151658 notes that there are 2 rapes or attempted rapes reported per 1,000 US citizens, which is 530,000 reports of rape per year. There are 15,000 rape convictions annually. Based on new DNA tests, a third of those convictions are now found to be false. Therefore, there are potentially 520,000 false rape allegations a year." I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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CalhounSq said: Didn't watch the clip but didn't the girl in question give him head on the dancefloor of a club??? I remember hearing that, unless I'm getting my skank actions mixed up
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Ex-Moderator | darkstranger521 said: Graycap23 said: Being nuts and raping someone are NOT related. Mike's rep got him put into jail. The FACTS of this case were ignored. ..... Somewhere in the vicinity of 50% of the women I've gone with in my life have told me they were either raped as women or molested as girls. Many, many of them were not being truthful, according to my definition of the truth. What you need to understand is that women and men process the truth *VERY* differently. What is *true* to a man is the facts of the matter at hand. What is *true* to a woman is that which gives her strong/strongest emotions. A woman who as a matter of fact was never raped can tell to the whole world that she was raped and to *her*, in *her* mind, she *is not* lying. The *truth* to her is the strong emotions she gets from *talking* about her *rape*. This shit is deep, I am telling you. Why do woman flock so much to men who tell them lies? Because to a woman, when men make shit it up, if it gives them strong emotions to hear it, its *not* a lie. How can it be a lie when it makes her *feel* (good, bad, whatever, any emotion really) so strongly? Get it? That's the biggest pack of BS I've ever heard. |
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CalhounSq said: Graycap23 said: Being nuts and raping someone are NOT related. Mike's rep got him put into jail. The FACTS of this case were ignored. I know being nuts & rape are not directly tied BUT the fact that Tyson has been known to have fits of violence is suspect. Who knows what he turned into once she got in that room? It's just not open & shut for me. I admit I can't remember the particulars of the case b/c it's been so long but I remember feeling like it could have been possible w/ him, ANYTHING is possible w/ a mental case like that. Remember these quotes?: "I'm gonna eat your children! I'll fuck you & make you love me!" I mean really, he's a sick bastid... Short version from memory: Mike was a guest judge at a beauty pagent. The girl was in the pagent. At some point duirng the competition the girl got word that Mike wanted to take her on a date. She met him in the lobby of her hotel late one night. Mike then said he left something at his hotel room he needed to get. He asked if she wanted to come up. She agreed. Once there, she asked if she could use the bathroom and ole' boy was buck naked when she came out. And I'm sure there are details I left out but you get the gist of the scenario. . [Edited 6/1/06 19:13pm] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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CalhounSq said: sosgemini said: wtf? That was the oh so sane Mike Tyson @ a press conference speaking to a journalist. Apparently he didn't like the question I think it may have been 2 different pressers for each statement The "children eating" quote was aimed at Lennox Lewis during an after fight interview. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable And i'm just ferocious. I want your heart, I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah! The "love me" quote was aimed at a reporter some time later during a press conference... Look at, you scared now, you punk. Scared like a little white (Beep). Scared of the real man. I'll (Beep) you until you love me (Beep). My favorite Tyson quote?... "I guess I'm gonna fade into Bolivian." tA Tribal Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 "Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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CalhounSq said: Didn't watch the clip but didn't the girl in question give him head on the dancefloor of a club??? I remember hearing that, unless I'm getting my skank actions mixed up
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