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PrintableNovabreaker said: 100MPH said: Go back to the African Roots way before the 80's and early 90's . Communities were presenting their music combined with tribal dancemoves . In some cases even for religious reasons ... so yeah , dancing CAN have a lot to do with presenting music . I said " can " because there are also different musicstyles which don't need dance-moves . But that's not a reason to state that it's not an essential element . Actual music. There are no valid ontological connections to be found between sound recognized as a musical composition and making irrational spastic movements. That's a mere sociological construction, and is transmitted through the use of symbolic systems. Dance is a language and dance movements are signs - it just happens to be that they are empty sings. Furthermore, why dance should be seen as detached in totality from the music itself is because it clearly contributes nothing to what we hear (if we don't count in the sounds made by body movements, clapping and so on in tribal gatherings). The only way you can "present" music through dance is to recognize the two as a "synthetic" unity, but in that case you are not really presenting a musical piece, but rather an event. A musical piece isn't a spatial phenomenon, whilst physical activities certainly are. Music's mimetic character is defined by the fact that it doesn't have any sort of finite, recognizeable physiological appearance. It can only be heard, the rest is something else and inescapably auxiliary and complementary by nature. Therefore the only means to present music itself to others is to "present" it through the usage musical instruments or recordings. For one cannot have any definitive idea what some musical piece "presented" through dance would sound like if we wouldn't get to hear the sound but would just see the dance performance. Thus it should be clear that dancing has absolutely nothing to do with the artform of music itself - it's a communal interpretation of an aesthetic piece. Not communication through the aesthetic piece itself. In other words, the effort made at communication is solely through the expression of a sentiment derived from the original presentation, not through the form of the original object (which is what is an essential to an artform, the sovereignty of form). I think that should be quite clear to everybody. ? | |
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CinisterCee said: OK so I find Chuck Berry's dancing entertaining, but he's also a great musician.
So what's up with THAT? PUNK!  Hell, anybody can... 
...Duck Walk suckah! 
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murph said: Novabreaker said: Actual music. There are no valid ontological connections to be found between sound recognized as a musical composition and making irrational spastic movements. That's a mere sociological construction, and is transmitted through the use of symbolic systems. Dance is a language and dance movements are signs - it just happens to be that they are empty sings. Furthermore, why dance should be seen as detached in totality from the music itself is because it clearly contributes nothing to what we hear (if we don't count in the sounds made by body movements, clapping and so on in tribal gatherings). The only way you can "present" music through dance is to recognize the two as a "synthetic" unity, but in that case you are not really presenting a musical piece, but rather an event. A musical piece isn't a spatial phenomenon, whilst physical activities certainly are. Music's mimetic character is defined by the fact that it doesn't have any sort of finite, recognizeable physiological appearance. It can only be heard, the rest is something else and inescapably auxiliary and complementary by nature. Therefore the only means to present music itself to others is to "present" it through the usage musical instruments or recordings. For one cannot have any definitive idea what some musical piece "presented" through dance would sound like if we wouldn't get to hear the sound but would just see the dance performance. Thus it should be clear that dancing has absolutely nothing to do with the artform of music itself - it's a communal interpretation of an aesthetic piece. Not communication through the aesthetic piece itself. In other words, the effort made at communication is solely through the expression of a sentiment derived from the original presentation, not through the form of the original object (which is what is an essential to an artform, the sovereignty of form). I think that should be quite clear to everybody. ? lmao | |
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theAudience said: CinisterCee said: OK so I find Chuck Berry's dancing entertaining, but he's also a great musician.
So what's up with THAT? PUNK! Hell, anybody can...
...Duck Walk suckah!  I can't.
 I can pace the stage back and forth and wave my arm though. | |
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This L.A. strut is explained on a DVD of Dj Quick . They show there some live-footage on stage which looks impressive . . . . [Edited 6/1/06 4:43am] | |
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It is for most acts, even michael jackson in the last 14 years or so!! "Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system" - Bruce Lee | |
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NDRU said: Novabreaker said: Actual music. There are no valid ontological connections to be found between sound recognized as a musical composition and making irrational spastic movements. That's a mere sociological construction, and is transmitted through the use of symbolic systems. Dance is a language and dance movements are signs - it just happens to be that they are empty sings. Furthermore, why dance should be seen as detached in totality from the music itself is because it clearly contributes nothing to what we hear (if we don't count in the sounds made by body movements, clapping and so on in tribal gatherings). The only way you can "present" music through dance is to recognize the two as a "synthetic" unity, but in that case you are not really presenting a musical piece, but rather an event. A musical piece isn't a spatial phenomenon, whilst physical activities certainly are. Music's mimetic character is defined by the fact that it doesn't have any sort of finite, recognizeable physiological appearance. It can only be heard, the rest is something else and inescapably auxiliary and complementary by nature. Therefore the only means to present music itself to others is to "present" it through the usage musical instruments or recordings. For one cannot have any definitive idea what some musical piece "presented" through dance would sound like if we wouldn't get to hear the sound but would just see the dance performance. Thus it should be clear that dancing has absolutely nothing to do with the artform of music itself - it's a communal interpretation of an aesthetic piece. Not communication through the aesthetic piece itself. In other words, the effort made at communication is solely through the expression of a sentiment derived from the original presentation, not through the form of the original object (which is what is an essential to an artform, the sovereignty of form). I think that should be quite clear to everybody. whaeva what about tap dancing, huh, what about that, huh? "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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NDRU said: lilgish said: The only artists that I like who can't sing is Nico and she had great ppl behind her. I like dancers like Bobby Brown and Hammer, but only casue they put on a good show. [Edited 5/31/06 15:49pm] So do Bobby & Hammer play instruments or sing (well), or should they sit their asses down? Well, I think the whole point is that the MUSIC that they're doing has to be good as well. (I'm just talking in general, not necessarily about Hammer or Bobby Brown) There are tons of artists that I love that aren't the world's best singers, but they have their music to fall back on. But if they're just up there dancing around, lip-synching at the same time, AND the music is crap along with all that, well then I'd say they have to sit their asses down. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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The reason for all these dancers on the stage these days is so the entertainer won't look all alone on a huge ass stage. Stages used to be filled with musical instruments. Since today's entertainers don't have the talent to play an instrument or the good taste to hire musicians, they need something to fill the space when they perform. When these performers are live today, their shows look more like a thugged out Broadway musical than a concert. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: When these performers are live today, their shows look more like a thugged out Broadway musical than a concert.
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CinisterCee said: I can pace the stage back and forth and wave my arm though.Everybody, everybody. Just put your hands in the air and wave 'em like ya just don't care. You need to quit. 
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theAudience said: CinisterCee said: I can pace the stage back and forth and wave my arm though.Everybody, everybody. Just put your hands in the air and wave 'em like ya just don't care. You need to quit.
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theAudience said: CinisterCee said: I can pace the stage back and forth and wave my arm though.Everybody, everybody. Just put your hands in the air and wave 'em like ya just don't care. You need to quit.
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http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 If I hear that phrase ONE more time.....  "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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Its all entertainment. It depends on what you go to a show for, really. Go see Stomp or the Alvin Hailey troupe and ask that same question. In those situations, singing would be the gimmick.
Different artists have different balances of their assets as entertainers. Chris Brown or Usher would dance circles around Prince for instance but, in turn for a more physically moving show they will sacrific vocals because you simply can't do all that dancing and sing simultaneously with the same quality. Prince's shows are geared more toward people who are interested in a more musical/band oriented package and artists like Bela Fleck are dazzling musically but offer little in the way of visual movement. In the end, it all depends on your taste and what you are looking for in the way of entertainment. There are no rules and one form is not really more valid than another. | |
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minneapolisgenius said: theAudience said: Everybody, everybody. Just put your hands in the air and wave 'em like ya just don't care. You need to quit.
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http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 If I hear that phrase ONE more time..... "Put" your hands in the air? That's not even the phrase! | |
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CinisterCee said: minneapolisgenius said: If I hear that phrase ONE more time..... "Put" your hands in the air? That's not even the phrase!  Just THROW ya hands in tha aaayah
Happy now. 
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CinisterCee said: minneapolisgenius said: If I hear that phrase ONE more time..... "Put" your hands in the air? That's not even the phrase! Or any version of that....raise your hands...throw your hands... etc. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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minneapolisgenius said: CinisterCee said: "Put" your hands in the air? That's not even the phrase! Or any version of that....raise your hands...throw your hands... etc. 
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theAudience said: Happy now. Not even. | |
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CinisterCee said: minneapolisgenius said: Or any version of that....raise your hands...throw your hands... etc.
That's even worse. I'll take the hands over the guns I guess. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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minneapolisgenius said: CinisterCee said:
That's even worse. I'll take the hands over the guns I guess. | |
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And of course we can't forget the tired and worn out...Somebody screeeeeaaaaam!
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[quote] theAudience said: And of course we can't forget the tired and worn out...Somebody screeeeeaaaaam! ]
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http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431[/quote  I hear ya! They have worn that out.
The thing they have been doing lately, is saying "uh uh, yeeeah uh uh" every time they get a breath while they are either singing or rapping. It just gets on my damn nerves. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: I hear ya! They have worn that out.
The thing they have been doing lately, is saying "uh uh, yeeeah uh uh" every time they get a breath while they are either singing or rapping. It just gets on my damn nerves. Amen. It's like a verbal place holder that gets thrownup (literally) when don't really have anything to say. Equivalent to the equally tired yanowatimsain... 
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theAudience said: And of course we can't forget the tired and worn out...Somebody screeeeeaaaaam!
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theAudience said: vainandy said: I hear ya! They have worn that out.
The thing they have been doing lately, is saying "uh uh, yeeeah uh uh" every time they get a breath while they are either singing or rapping. It just gets on my damn nerves. Amen. It's like a verbal place holder that gets thrownup (literally) when don't really have anything to say. Equivalent to the equally tired yanowatimsain...:headache: tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 That's another tired one. They say that every other word when they are speaking and they try to use a fake New York accent when they say it. There are tons of teenagers down here in Mississippi that have never been further than Memphis. To hear some of them talk, you would think they were born and raised in the Bronx. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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theAudience said: vainandy said: I hear ya! They have worn that out.
The thing they have been doing lately, is saying "uh uh, yeeeah uh uh" every time they get a breath while they are either singing or rapping. It just gets on my damn nerves. Amen. It's like a verbal place holder that gets thrownup (literally) when don't really have anything to say. Equivalent to the equally tired yanowatimsain...
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http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 Oh, goodness. If I could throw a penny at somebody for every time they said that. That or "know what I mean" or "y'mean?" Am I really supposed to answer the question? lol | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: Oh, goodness. If I could throw a penny at somebody for every time they said that. That or "know what I mean" or "y'mean?" Am I really supposed to answer the question? lol I always want to answer, "No."
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theAudience said: RipHer2Shreds said: Oh, goodness. If I could throw a penny at somebody for every time they said that. That or "know what I mean" or "y'mean?" Am I really supposed to answer the question? lol I always want to answer, "No."  | |
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I say "yanowatimsain" & "know what I mean" all the time. But I'm from the Bronx, so don't hate, know what I mean? | |
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