lilgish said:

IMO, that's the very thing that got Hammer over.

I believe people got tired of seeing the same old Rap routine.
Some dude/dudette roaming aimlessly back and forth across the stage with other dudes just standing there with their arms folded for no good reason at all.

His early videos with just the Oaktown357 girls were just visually more interesting than the above.

Nobody is saying the cat could rap, he had an act.


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sinisterpentatonic said:

...And say Oow, girl a lot.


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Krytonite said:

I think record companies today are using everything they can to cover up for non-talent.

theAudience said:

if Hammer knew how to rap he would have been dangerous, because his first LP was funky and classic.Hammer was a great performer, and he knew he was the best dancer in the business, sorry Mike Jack fans, Hammer would have destroyed Mike on the dancing tip,

Dancing is some extra shit, if you can't sing or play an instrument, sit your ass down.

lilgish said:

how many of your favorite artists would be consider classic great singers, not alot of them

krazykid18 said:

The only artists that I like who can't sing is Nico and she had great ppl behind her. I like dancers like Bobby Brown and Hammer, but only casue they put on a good show.
[Edited 5/31/06 15:49pm]

lilgish said:

but you do like Prince, and you might like James Brown, and neither are considered good singers, and almost all of Prince understudy's with the exception of Rosie werent good singers, and were pushed by Prince to sing because Prince use to tell them how easy it was

As somebody has surely already suggested, dance in today's music is surely a gimmick (case in point, Christopher Walken in whatever video that was). Off the top of my head, I'd say it became gimmicky just after the height of the popularity of music videos. Maybe in the early 90s.

krazykid18 said:

Early on, Princce wasn't a good singer, but he matured into an excellent singer with diverse vocals. He's an amazing dancer and most importantly a great musician.

lilgish said:

if you think he is a great singer that is on you, but Prince sounded just like Al B SUre when he used is falsetto and nobody was calling Al B a great singer by any strech, and i love how you used the word diverse,

all i know is i think Bobby Brown(DBC era) sang like Wilson pickett, but some may not think Bobby is a good singer

it is what you consider good or great singing

lilgish said:

So do Bobby & Hammer play instruments or sing (well), or should they sit their asses down?

Dancing became integral for pop stars with the rise of MTV. It doesn't matter if you can sing, as long as you can look good and move well in a video. There have always been pop stars who couldn't carry a tune, and there always be - it's just that the mode of packaging them has changed.

NDRU said:

Bobby does play the piano. But Hammer and Bobby are the rare performer who can carry a show without singing well.

krazykid18 said:

I didn't say Prince was a great singer, I acknowledge early on that he was lacking, but you can deny he improved. On his worst day, P was better than Al B.

The thing that strikes me is that there used to be really dynamic, accomplished performances from stars who used dancing as a selling point, and we don't even have that, anymore. This is why people like Janet & Madonna have lasted so long.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...n%20Grammy

I think for some artists dancing is as integral as playing a musical instrument is with some other artists. Ya know some great rock performers might be great musicians, but they might not have the strongests voices compared to people who are just vocalists, period. I look at at the artists who dance and use dancers as similar to musical theatre. Or maybe like these artists are into putting on a production--you know hose old MGM movie musicals (White Christmas) where everyone was putting on a show. It's not necessarily a gimmick, but the performance enhanced with dancing can sell the song. It's like the dancing becomes part of the musical experience.
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VoicesCarry said:

tell me your girl doesn't look like a damn Prince protege in that clip.

lilgish said:

"But Hammer and Bobby are the rare performer who can carry a show without singing well."

VoicesCarry said:

nothings wrong with being a Prince protege

lilgish said:

lmao

http://www.youtube.com/wa...Vanity%206
[Edited 5/31/06 18:01pm]

theAudience said:

hmmm. maybe i got the name wrong then. What was that dance James Brown did all the time the one where he would move the tip of his foot back and forth?

theAudience said:

VoicesCarry said:

Vanity was the jump off...anyway Prince wrote What Have you Done For Me Lately
[Edited 5/31/06 18:36pm]

sinisterpentatonic said:

You got me on that one.
I only know about the Camel Walk, The Fight and the Electric Slide (not that country crap).

Here's some instructions on how to get your...



...C-Walk on though.


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CinisterCee said:

...Is there a problem officer?





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lilgish said:

I would kill to see a Sondra Prill cover of He's So Dull.

you're killin' me tA!

sinisterpentatonic said:

Don't die...multiply.
We need more...



...open-heads like you.


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OK so I find Chuck Berry's dancing entertaining, but he's also a great musician.

So what's up with THAT? PUNK!