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PrintableAlexdeParis said:[quote] StoneCrib said: Keith Sweat absolutely. Keith Sweat was the voice of New Jack Swing. In addition to Aaron Hall, Keith Sweat was the first voice that we heard in terms of bringing New Jack Swing to the forefront.
At any rate, by 1990 Bobby Brown's face was more recognizable than Teddy Riley, Keith Sweat, and anyone else connected with NJS. He was a megastar in a way the others weren't. No, I need verification from a source other than himself. Sorry, but HIM just "saying" he coined it is the same as Beyonce lying and saying she coined the word "Bootylicious" which is a lie. And, cool, he did give props to Keith, as he should have since he was the 1st artist with a NJS cut. By 1990, Teddy had blown up and Guy was huge, so I don't even know why you're trying to put that out there as if Teddy wasn't AS, if not MORE, recognizable for NJS, especially since B. Brown only had ONE cut that was NJS. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: AlexdeParis said: At any rate, by 1990 Bobby Brown's face was more recognizable than Teddy Riley, Keith Sweat, and anyone else connected with NJS. He was a megastar in a way the others weren't. No, I need verification from a source other than himself. Sorry, but HIM just "saying" he coined it is the same as Beyonce lying and saying she coined the word "Bootylicious" which is a lie. That comment was from the editor, not BMC. There's a copy of the actual article "New Jack Swing" he wrote about Teddy floating around somewhere. Try Google. By 1990, Teddy had blown up and Guy was huge, so I don't even know why you're trying to put that out there as if Teddy wasn't AS, if not MORE, recognizable for NJS, especially since B. Brown only had ONE cut that was NJS.
If you're restricting things to only Black people, I might agree with you. However, the whole point of that section is how large NJS had become—crossing over in a huge way, influencing music, clothing, television, and other things. For all Guy's success in the R&B world, they had very little crossover success. There is no way Americans in 1990 would've recognized Teddy Riley as much as Bobby Brown. Teddy's first major crossover success didn't come until Dangerous (and that was still behind the scenes). "My Prerogative" may have been the only true NJS song from Don't Be Cruel (I assume you're dismissing "I'll Be Good to You" because it wasn't a single), but it just happens to be the most successful NJS single of all. Also, the LaFace songs were heavily influenced by NJS (which, again, was the point). There would be no "Don't Be Cruel" or "Roni" if it weren't for Teddy Riley. (It should go without saying that Bobby added more true NJS songs with Bobby.) [Edited 6/4/06 21:21pm] "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said:[quote] StoneCrib said: That comment was from the editor, not BMC. There's a copy of the actual article "New Jack Swing" he wrote about Teddy floating around somewhere. Try Google. By 1990, Teddy had blown up and Guy was huge, so I don't even know why you're trying to put that out there as if Teddy wasn't AS, if not MORE, recognizable for NJS, especially since B. Brown only had ONE cut that was NJS.
If you're restricting things to only Black people, I might agree with you. However, the whole point of that section is how large NJS had become—crossing over in a huge way, influencing music, clothing, television, and other things. For all Guy's success in the R&B world, they had very little crossover success. There is no way Americans in 1990 would've recognized Teddy Riley as much as Bobby Brown. Teddy's first major crossover success didn't come until Dangerous (and that was still behind the scenes). "My Prerogative" may have been the only true NJS song from Don't Be Cruel (I assume you're dismissing "I'll Be Good to You" because it wasn't a single), but it just happens to be the most successful NJS single of all. Also, the LaFace songs were heavily influenced by NJS (which, again, was the point). There would be no "Don't Be Cruel" or "Roni" if it weren't for Teddy Riley. (It should go without saying that Bobby added more true NJS songs with Bobby.) [Edited 6/4/06 21:21pm] Well, this is the 1st I'm hearing of someone other than Teddy claiming he coined the phrase New Jack Swing, so until I'm shown other wise, I'm sticking with Teddy as the originator of that phrase. Damn, I didn't know it was "restricting" when dealing with the Black audience, but I won't even go there. But I'm not talking about crossover, fuck a crossover, I'm talking about Black radio and the success of NJS as a black music form and Teddy is the face, has always been the face, of New Jack Swing. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: AlexdeParis said: If you're restricting things to only Black people, I might agree with you. However, the whole point of that section is how large NJS had become—crossing over in a huge way, influencing music, clothing, television, and other things. For all Guy's success in the R&B world, they had very little crossover success. There is no way Americans in 1990 would've recognized Teddy Riley as much as Bobby Brown. Teddy's first major crossover success didn't come until Dangerous (and that was still behind the scenes). "My Prerogative" may have been the only true NJS song from Don't Be Cruel (I assume you're dismissing "I'll Be Good to You" because it wasn't a single), but it just happens to be the most successful NJS single of all. Also, the LaFace songs were heavily influenced by NJS (which, again, was the point). There would be no "Don't Be Cruel" or "Roni" if it weren't for Teddy Riley. (It should go without saying that Bobby added more true NJS songs with Bobby.) [Edited 6/4/06 21:21pm] Well, this is the 1st I'm hearing of someone other than Teddy claiming he coined the phrase New Jack Swing, so until I'm shown other wise, I'm sticking with Teddy as the originator of that phrase. The article's somewhere. I know it was published in 1989 before Wrecks 'N' Effect dropped the song "New Jack Swing." Didn't you ever wonder why Teddy had been making this music for over two years before he finally decided to name it? Guy's first album is the classic NJS record, but the phrase is never used on it. Damn, I didn't know it was "restricting" when dealing with the Black audience, but I won't even go there. But I'm not talking about crossover, fuck a crossover, I'm talking about Black radio and the success of NJS as a black music form and Teddy is the face, has always been the face, of New Jack Swing.
Well, you did go there, but whatever. Once again, the article was talking about how big NJS had become. Crossover is a big part of that. This being a Prince forum, that should be obvious. Why dispute BMC's point if you're going to change the terms of the discussion? At any rate, if you're only talking about Black radio, I agree with you. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said:[quote] StoneCrib said: The article's somewhere. I know it was published in 1989 before Wrecks 'N' Effect dropped the song "New Jack Swing." Didn't you ever wonder why Teddy had been making this music for over two years before he finally decided to name it? Guy's first album is the classic NJS record, but the phrase is never used on it. Damn, I didn't know it was "restricting" when dealing with the Black audience, but I won't even go there. But I'm not talking about crossover, fuck a crossover, I'm talking about Black radio and the success of NJS as a black music form and Teddy is the face, has always been the face, of New Jack Swing.
Well, you did go there, but whatever. Once again, the article was talking about how big NJS had become. Crossover is a big part of that. This being a Prince forum, that should be obvious. Why dispute BMC's point if you're going to change the terms of the discussion? At any rate, if you're only talking about Black radio, I agree with you. Since when does an artist have to say what music style he's/she's using on his/her record? NWA didn't use the phrase "Gangsta Rap" on their debut but that's what it was. When did I change the terms?...better yet., when did we lay down ANY terms for this discussion?  We didn't. I just said I don't count "crossover" because it's bullshit.Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: AlexdeParis said: Well, you did go there, but whatever. Once again, the article was talking about how big NJS had become. Crossover is a big part of that. This being a Prince forum, that should be obvious. Why dispute BMC's point if you're going to change the terms of the discussion? At any rate, if you're only talking about Black radio, I agree with you. Since when does an artist have to say what music style he's/she's using on his/her record? NWA didn't use the phrase "Gangsta Rap" on their debut but that's what it was. Since we're talking about Teddy "Yep Yep" "New Jack Swing" "That's The Trademark" Riley  Part of the reason I love him is that he's a shameless self-promoter.
When did I change the terms?...better yet., when did we lay down ANY terms for this discussion?
We didn't. I just said I don't count "crossover" because it's bullshit.You said you read the article, right? He talks about Bobby being the face of NJS by the time the album sold 8-9 million copies. He compares Bobby to the Beatles, Stones, and Elvis (selling out concerts in minutes, mobs rocking his limo, etc.). Of course you disagree with that; if you don't count crossover, none of that happened. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said:[quote] StoneCrib said: Since we're talking about Teddy "Yep Yep" "New Jack Swing" "That's The Trademark" Riley Part of the reason I love him is that he's a shameless self-promoter.
When did I change the terms?...better yet., when did we lay down ANY terms for this discussion?
We didn't. I just said I don't count "crossover" because it's bullshit.You said you read the article, right? He talks about Bobby being the face of NJS by the time the album sold 8-9 million copies. He compares Bobby to the Beatles, Stones, and Elvis (selling out concerts in minutes, mobs rocking his limo, etc.). Of course you disagree with that; if you don't count crossover, none of that happened. HE may have been talking about that but "I" wasn't. I was only speaking of the success that NJS had and its success started on Black radio. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said:[quote] AlexdeParis said: HE may have been talking about that but "I" wasn't. I was only speaking of the success that NJS had and its success started on Black radio. Exactly. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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StoneCrib said: AlexdeParis said: If you're restricting things to only Black people, I might agree with you. However, the whole point of that section is how large NJS had become—crossing over in a huge way, influencing music, clothing, television, and other things. For all Guy's success in the R&B world, they had very little crossover success. There is no way Americans in 1990 would've recognized Teddy Riley as much as Bobby Brown. Teddy's first major crossover success didn't come until Dangerous (and that was still behind the scenes). "My Prerogative" may have been the only true NJS song from Don't Be Cruel (I assume you're dismissing "I'll Be Good to You" because it wasn't a single), but it just happens to be the most successful NJS single of all. Also, the LaFace songs were heavily influenced by NJS (which, again, was the point). There would be no "Don't Be Cruel" or "Roni" if it weren't for Teddy Riley. (It should go without saying that Bobby added more true NJS songs with Bobby.) [Edited 6/4/06 21:21pm] Well, this is the 1st I'm hearing of someone other than Teddy claiming he coined the phrase New Jack Swing, so until I'm shown other wise, I'm sticking with Teddy as the originator of that phrase. Damn, I didn't know it was "restricting" when dealing with the Black audience, but I won't even go there. But I'm not talking about crossover, fuck a crossover, I'm talking about Black radio and the success of NJS as a black music form and Teddy is the face, has always been the face, of New Jack Swing. Which means, u did not read the article properly, as barry was talking about it on a wider scale. Damn stonecrib, do u let anything go? | |
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thesexofit said: StoneCrib said: Well, this is the 1st I'm hearing of someone other than Teddy claiming he coined the phrase New Jack Swing, so until I'm shown other wise, I'm sticking with Teddy as the originator of that phrase. Damn, I didn't know it was "restricting" when dealing with the Black audience, but I won't even go there. But I'm not talking about crossover, fuck a crossover, I'm talking about Black radio and the success of NJS as a black music form and Teddy is the face, has always been the face, of New Jack Swing. Which means, u did not read the article properly, as barry was talking about it on a wider scale. Damn stonecrib, do u let anything go? I did let it go...YOU started it back up. Now do YOU let anything go? Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: thesexofit said: [/b]
Which means, u did not read the article properly, as barry was talking about it on a wider scale. Damn stonecrib, do u let anything go? I did let it go...YOU started it back up. Now do YOU let anything go? yeah, i do. | |
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thesexofit said: StoneCrib said: I did let it go...YOU started it back up. Now do YOU let anything go? yeah, i do. Good. Then add THIS thread for yourself to be done with, too. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: thesexofit said: yeah, i do. Good. Then add THIS thread for yourself to be done with, too. ok,thanx | |
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thesexofit said: StoneCrib said: Good. Then add THIS thread for yourself to be done with, too. ok,thanx No problem, I'm always glad to do my part to end the madness here. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: thesexofit said: ok,thanx No problem, I'm always glad to do my part to end the madness here. iam only joking. No madness here. It was a good argument u had. If we are gonna talk about new jack swing, then yeah, teddy is the face of it, no doubt. Gene griffen aswell. I dont know if gene ripped off teddy, but anyway, u gotta give gene credit i guess. Remember basic black? "nothin' but a party" shoulda been called "nothing but a guy clone" LOL. Great jam though. Great album too 
Personally, aaron hall was more of the voice of newjack. But thats neither here or there. I love keith. Even wimpy song like "why me" are still good. I cant front there. | |
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thesexofit said: StoneCrib said: No problem, I'm always glad to do my part to end the madness here. iam only joking. No madness here. It was a good argument u had. If we are gonna talk about new jack swing, then yeah, teddy is the face of it, no doubt. Gene griffen aswell. I dont know if gene ripped off teddy, but anyway, u gotta give gene credit i guess. Remember basic black? "nothin' but a party" shoulda been called "nothing but a guy clone" LOL. Great jam though. Great album too
Personally, aaron hall was more of the voice of newjack. But thats neither here or there. I love keith. Even wimpy song like "why me" are still good. I cant front there. Yeah, I know we're just passin' time by talkin' idle shit, it's all good. I thknk Gene Griffin sued Teddy for 60million after Teddy broke wide from him, I forgot how that turned out. And I remember that group, they had a cool jam. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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