Samuel? Safe? That nigga says nigga more than most niggas say nigga! I thought she hated nigga-saying niggas.
[Edited 5/30/06 17:50pm]

ThreadBare said:

well it's gotta have SOMETHING else in it besides.... snakes on a plane

CalhounSq said:

BlaqueKnight said:

If I didn't hate the N word so much, this would be my signature.

ThreadBare said:

well it's gotta have SOMETHING else in it besides.... snakes on a plane

I wonder how she thought about hop around the time of Quincy's Back On The Block-album ... one of the first projects where he used rap-artists like Kool Moe Dee , Ice T , Big Daddy Kane , etc . ( mind U , he used rap already in The Dude-track )
Ophrah has played in the Color Purple from which Q did the score .
She also invited him at her show when his Jook Joint-project came out , which featured rappers too ( like the Notorious B.I.G. )

VoicesCarry said:

Yeah, America loves hearing him curse so much, fans' input added a truckload of cursing dialogue to "Snakes on a Plane."

well it's gotta have SOMETHING else in it besides.... snakes on a plane

I dunno, seems like people are wanting to jump on her just because

She's 50+ years old (not the rap demographic), a news anchor turned talk show host (most of them are serious & nerdy or curious & dumb, she's a bit of the first 3 adjectives), has come from nothing & become extraordinarily successful, gives back in so many ways, is partial to women's causes... but she's not giddy about rap music & I'm supposed to be upset?

I don't get it, the way people are coming @ her about this. You know it's some bullshit when Oprah gotta be involved in a damn rap beef LAWD

I just think people are making it out to be SO serious for the sake of pub. As far as Cube...

If she even had Eve & Ceddy on for the Barbershop flicks: Eve is a woman (yes, a rapper too but I'm thinking she's had some empowering songs about women on her albums hopefully) so that's understandable why she'd want her on. Plus she was on in reference to her clothing line at some point also - Oprah is a clothes/shoes hound. And Cedric is a comedian, she clearly appreciates the genius of comedians. No Ice Cube, no biggie - the main star ain't the only one that can do pub for a flick.

Cube exec produced Black/White. She had the CAST on - this is what usually happens, shows talk to the CAST of a show NOT the producers & most often not the creators either. The Grey's Anatomy show she just did - I didn't see Shonda Rhimes (Black woman who created the show) on there & I would have loved to hear her talk But she only had the "Meredith" & "Dr. Burke" characters on (oh my, she had a Black man on? I thought she hated them! ) How many of you even watch Grey's? How many of you care that it's created by a Black woman?

I think people are blowing this out of proportion. Everybody's got a different agenda, I'm even losing focus on what the real issue even is w/ these guys. That she doesn't like rap personally? That she won't have rappers on her show? That she takes issue with some rap themes???

While I appreciate that Cube has come a mighty long way I really wouldn't trip if I never saw him sit on her couch. I mean this dude actually said in a magazine (and I quote), "I'm not the type of actor who is trying to do a whole bunch of different shit, you know what I mean?" He has little (if any) respect for the craft - maybe that's what she doesn't like about him (let's not forget, she's an actress as well). Or she could have just seen him give other tv interviews that were shit (I've seen a few of his ) & thought, "Ehh, I'll pass..." I think thats within her right...

Maybe she just doesn't respect Ice Cube as an artist - honestly, would that be SUCH a huge crime folks? I mean, really? I gotta stick up for Oprah on this one... typical, me being a woman & all huh?



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[Edited 5/31/06 7:09am]

lastdecember said:

WRONG. Ice Cube was ASKED his opinion. You seem to overlook that crucial FACT.
For someone who claims not to be an Oprah fan, you sure are defending a position that holds no weight. Trust in the fact that Luda & Cube's listening audience could care less about Oprah. You're alluding that 50 has Oprah to thank for record sales? That's a bit of a stretch since she won't even MENTION rap or rappers.
Again, its a silly notion that rappers are "ganging up" on Oprah. At least be honest and point your finger in the right direction - at the media. The are the ones trying to initiate this for sales. I bet for every rapper that they've asked that doesn't like Oprah they've found 20 that do. There's much love and respect for Oprah in the black community period, including rappers.

Dayspring said:

WTF is THAT supposed to mean? "ganging up?" WHAT? Nah, there's no ganging up going on here. Three different black men with three different reasons for saying what they said. They were all ASKED BY THE MEDIA FOR AN OPINION.
50 - an attention whore who likes to beef with celebs because it gets him attention, so he learned from his beef with Sam Jackson.
Ludicris - pissed off because his comments were edited out and he feels he was blindsidedly attacked by Oprah.
Ice Cube - has NEVER liked talk show hosts on the whole - remember
"they asked me if I liked Arsenio
about as much as the bicentennial"
Since he's been on Leno & Letterman and talked about his various projects but has never been invited on Oprah's show obviously has a grudge - and probably with good reason. Hip-hop has been one of the biggest cultural phenoms in the past couple of decades and yet has gone practically ignored by Oprah whereas everyone else has done a show on or acknowledged it in some form.
Oprah has been ignoring the big pink elephant in the middle of the room and before you Oprah-addicts rush to her defense think about it; [b]its not an attack, its the TRUTH.[/b]

BlaqueKnight said:

Ok first of all 50's remark was that Oprah's audience are the mothers of my fans, meaning, just like i stated, 50's audience is mainly white kids trying to be black. Second, i cant stand Oprah, i have never liked her, but i think the thing that really bothered me was that author that she ripped and then she made it like he was the fraud when she was the one that blew it. And lastly can we all stop this "blame the media" crap. Its always the media, well the media is What we make it, just like the crappy music and artists out there, well they are there because people want crap. Look i hate the media, but when someone struggles and suffers, its not because of the media, its because of themselves, take the blame in life. Its that whole "daryl strawberry, dwight gooden" syndrome, blame the media for your taking drugs, and beating your wife, dont blame the people around you who taught you those things. And most important if the media is always to blame why do artists always use the media to sell their crap, you cant have it both ways, if your gonna blame the media, then give back all the money u make because of the media.

lastdecember said:

I'll stop blaming the media when they stop instigating shit for a story. You sound like the type who would exonerate Charles Manson just because he didn't actually kill anyone himself.
Is this a hard concept for you? Look:
Ice Cube was ASKED what he thought of the Oprah situation. HE WAS ASKED. ASK: To put a question to; To seek information about; To seek an answer to. ASKED - past tense of ASK. Let that sink in.
You want to hate rap? Hate rap. I'll help. I hate about 90% of it myself. You want to hate rappers because they rap? Go ahead. DO NOT, however, try to defer the blame onto people who give an honest opinion. Ice Cube WAS ASKED. He gave an opinion. 50 Cent instigated. He's an oportunist. He saw an opportunity to try to get some free publicity and went for it. But, you know what? He was ASKED, too.
You are playing semantics and insulting peoples' intelligence. Quit it. Oprah is not God but some of you act like she is? Is she giving away cars again on Prince.org?
I don't know anything about any author. I rarely ever see her show. Too bad she ripped into him. I personally could give a f**k less about what Oprah, 50, Cube or Luda has to say but right is right and wrong is not. People nowadays don't seem to like to think beyond a split second. We as a culture (Americans, at least) generalize too much. I actually see that this "blame the media crap" is very well placed in this instance. They are trying to start shit. They usually do and then just step back and fuel the feuding to keep it going. Why did they ask Ice Cube about a situation that had nothing to do with him? Why'd they ask 50? Its not like he had anything to do with anything. There would be no controversy if sensationalists simply DIDN'T ASK THE QUESTIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE. There is no denying this. Prove me wrong, please.

Samuel? Safe? That nigga says nigga more than most niggas say nigga! I thought she hated nigga-saying niggas.
[Edited 5/30/06 17:50pm]

Y'ALL STOP ALL THIS FIGHTING, ALREADY !!!!

...all this damn "trickle-down-divide-and-conquer"-mess is giving me a headache!

the most interesting aspect of all of this is that I bet damned well there's somebody sitting back, a lá Big Brother style, looking at conversations like these taking place all over the country just as pleased as punch that folks are so up in arms over this (or at least that some have becomed so "impassioned" about it), and we are consumed AND divided by the us vs. them/ she's right-he's wrong and vice versa/ I could care less-but the point is that you don't care arguments....

sigh sigh sigh...

purplecam said:

Well said vainandy!

Thank you. What people fail to realize is, it's her show. The name of the show is "The Oprah Winfrey Show". If she personally doesn't like the bullshit, then she just doesn't like it and has a right not to like it just like everyone else. It's not a matter of race or color, it's a matter of her taste (which, by the way, is very good taste if she doesn't like them).

She also has a right to be rude to them if she pleases because, once again, it's her show. Her name is on the show, she owns it, she owns the studio, in other words, she's the boss. I be damned if I'd let someone tell me what to do with something that's mine either.

They have already taken over everything else and just because one person doesn't want them on their show, then all of a sudden "she's for the white people". I've got news for the assholes, she ain't the only black person that doesn't like their shit and she won't be the last. They need to spend their damn energy into learning a damn musical instrument and get some damn funk and rhythm in their bones. Then they wouldn't have time to worry about such bullshit.

Now, I realize she's lost weight and doesn't have nearly as much ass as she used to, but she still has plenty of ass for them to kiss if they don't like it.

DavidEye said:

Vainandy,I agree with you!

Thank you. Too bad she's not a big music lover. It would be great to see her use her money and power to become a ruthless bitch.

She could start hanging out with Clear Channel executives. Then she could start kissing their ass for a little while until she gains their trust and buys into their company. She could keep buying more and more until she overthrows them. Then the real fun would start. On all their stations, she would play nothing but old school funk and throw all the shit hop in the trash. Let the rappers get a taste of what the real artists have been going through. She could just keep playing nothing but old funk until it's all the youngsters know and then they would start making new funk. Just kill off shit hop altogether. Give them a taste of their own medicine.

VoicesCarry said:

Now, I realize she's lost weight and doesn't have nearly as much ass as she used to, but she still has plenty of ass for them to kiss if they don't like it.

reneGade20 said:

Mary is the queen of hip-hop soul, remember?