EmbattledWarrior said:

So, if someone isn't as self-aware at 15 as you were, their abuse is justified?

EmbattledWarrior said:

But sexual abuse you do, so it's OK.
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EmbattledWarrior said:

You're chock full of shit. There are all kinds of crimes in this world, they don't always involve a gun. You're completely ignoring the fact that we're talking about children. CHILDREN!!!

I guess in your eyes an 8 year old child prostitute is perfectly fine, right? Because they're making a choice - nobody's putting guns to their heads, they're just doing what they know right? FUCKING WRONG. Children don't make wise choices for themselves - that's why we as adults are supposed to care about them & help guide them correctly. Not offer them $ in exchange for sucking our "old enough to be your father" dicks. Unbelievable. You really, really need to check yourself on this. So little regard for these kids, it's truly disgusting.

ThreadBare said:

but what determines self-awareness
the age or the person?
what if she was fully aware?
we don't know...

theirs always rrom for speculation

but you made another point of mines
self-awareness is not a matter of age, its a matter of mental maturity
and everyone differs when it comes to that
[Edited 5/28/06 21:32pm]

I can't even comment anymore.

EmbattledWarrior said:

No, my disagreement isn't with the point that maturity varies from person to person. My point is that our society's low expectation of self-awareness and maturity from children is based on their typically being unable to make good, wise decisions, being unable to reason and understand the long-term consequences of things that might seem, or even feel, good.

Kelly and other predators exploit children's inability to make those kinds of informed, empowered decisions consistently.

And, our society has decided that -- in most cases -- it's unfair to hold children and adults to the same standards of judgment.

What causes you to not feel the same way?

CalhounSq said:

alright im gonna stop talking all your doing is attacking me

But Cal instead of attacking me, explain to me as if i where a child your position. Are you looking to from a parents point of view? were you victimized
did you know someone?

i know why i think about it differently
because when i was 16 i dated an adult woman, and i certainly wasn't the victim...

maybe its different because im a self-aware male...

EmbattledWarrior said:

Wow. Congrats. You got fucked consensually when you were 16 and (apparently) ready. You somehow believe sexually abused children all share this experience.

This is some seriously fucked-up shit.
[Edited 5/28/06 21:41pm]

ThreadBare said:

Because i was there....

VoicesCarry said:

no what you said was truly fucked up...
that was a low blow

fuck it, im out

EmbattledWarrior said:

No. Blaming the victim is a LOW BLOW.

Clearly I'm not the only person on this thread completely disturbed by your comments and justifications.
[Edited 5/28/06 21:52pm]

EmbattledWarrior said:

It's because you're a fucking pig that you feel this way. Like someone has already said everyone's experience is not YOUR experience - one idiot gets fucked by a lonely housewife & all the sudden there's no such thing as child abuse???

I hope you never encounter a minor who's been abused, you certainly won't be able to provide anything other than blame & that's insane.

And no, I haven't been abused myself. But I do know people who have. It is a life changing, utterly fucked up scenario - not something to brag about or pretend was cool.

Bottom line - you advocate sex with children. Congratulations, may you never have any of your own



Maybe I'm wrong for calling you a pig. Maybe you're just as confused (now AND then) as those girls. Like Threadbare said boys are sexualized differently but none of it is right...



idiot edit
[Edited 5/28/06 22:32pm]

EmbattledWarrior said:

Maybe you'd be willing to concede that young boys are groomed toward sex a little differently than little girls are? Your take on your experiences is a little different than the girls' in the Kelly cases.

It's also different from a male friend of mine who was raped by an older woman. He relayed his story to me in college and practically was in tears. Perhaps consider that your situation was slightly different from the norm, and the reasons behind that can be as varied as sexual identity, gender and preferences.

Hey calm down yall I only wanted to know, as I saw the Chapelle stuff and wasnt that familiar with R Kelly or his Music all I knew was I believe I can fly and that he married Aaliyah Houghton when she was 14, so I knew he liked underage, not like 5 year olds, but 13-16 year old black girls whio were develped, still 2 young and fucked up yo. I get all this shit about child abuse and people living in caves. I live in NZ but not in no cave yo. I think I am a bit naive with balck entertainment compared to you guys as I am a New Zealander and we are to busy trying to push Maori and Islander humour down our throats instead of some of the black stuff, although Dave Chapelle is crude and plays up to a lot of racist stereotypes (jive talking, sex obssessed, oafish etc) he is a very talented comedian and the R Kelly stuff was quite well done. A Jimmy Walker for the 00s maybe.

Anyway thanks 4 filling me in

tane1976 said:

DAMN - see that's why Dave went a little nuts b/c he knows the image his show puts out into the world is achieving the opposite of what his comedy is all about.

Please know Dave is about way more than that - he's a brilliant stand up & makes some poignant observations about race. He's even said that he has to take accountability for the images he's created & how some of the message put forth weren't received how he intended. But that's what happens w/ a hit show that goes out to the masses...

Anyway, if you ever get to see THIS do check it out:



I know, the picture is NOT helping But it's more accurate in terms of his comedy

EmbattledWarrior said:

Which is why it's statutory rape, no?

R Kelly knew he would be able to take advantage of this girl and do what he wanted to do to her. That is the reason she was in the room. R Kelly was hoping that because she was 15 she would not be able to stand up for herself and stop the things he wanted to do. He definately targeted her and for that he is guilty.

If those underage girls in R Kelly's video would've been blond haired and blue eyed, he would've been hung along time ago.

totaldiva said:

pretty much, i STILL cant believe this aint reach trial.

this thread is sooo sickening. embattledwarrior, i'm not trynna be an ass or anything but the bottom line is that R is a GROWN MAN and whether the girl consented or not, r knows the law and he knows that as the adult in this situation that HE will be the one in trouble and prosecuted, so obviously if he STILL decided to have sex w. her knowing what coulda happen to him, then something is wrong with him and if u find nothing wrong with this than something seems to be wrong with u too

totaldiva said:

Apparently he openly says he never deals with white women/girls. This truce with the racist powers that be gives him a level of immunity from outrage and harsh sentencing. Very clever in who he victimises, the "lessers" of society.

Let me just say:



fuck R Kelly