vainandy said:

vainandy said:

Oh God she' so stupid. She's probably kicking herself when she realized it was "Pray" that Prince co-wrote with MC hammer back in 1990!

CynicKill said:

I'm not making it up - he did indeed say that.

CynicKill said:

EmancipationLover said:

really? should you really know who he is? why? i mean, we all know who he is. but are our lives better for it?

banks said:

An therein lies the real crime (coupled with her aftershow quote).

Knowing in advance and not feeling that it was important to do any research.


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Dayspring said:

For God's sake, you people are acting like a bunch of old fogeys here. Katharine McPhee was born in 1984, so she was only nine years old when Meatloaf put out "I Would Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That)." It's not like her parents probably had her listening to "Bat Out Of Hell" right out of the womb. Paris Bennett wasn't even a mere twinkle in her horny parents' eyes when Al Jarreau put out "We're In This Love Together." (She did do a decent job of singing that though.) And as for Chris Daughtry and Kellie Pickler, they grew up in some of the most redneck areas of the South, so they were probably weren't exposed to a whole lot of soul or R&B music growing up. I grew up in Rockford, IL, and the only R&B, soul and hip-hop I was exposed to either came from friends who had albums, or had a high-powered FM receiver that picked up WBMX and WGCI from Chicago. Otherwise, we had a low-powered country music station that played R&B at night from 8:00 pm to midnight five nights a week, and that was interrupted often for high school football broadcasts. I was fortunate that my local cable TV provider actually had BET on their system, so most of the R&B I lstened to came from videos on Video Soul and Video Vibrations.

Anyway, my point is that a lot of these kids are really young and grew up with MTV showing "The Real World" all the time, Radio Disney, and Clear Channel radio stations playing the same playlists all over the country. If it weren't for all the hip-hop artists sampling the old music, they wouldn't even know these other legendary artists existed at all. After all (in their minds), why would the SOS Band, the Tom Tom Club, and the World Famous Supreme Team be allowed to just blatantly rip off Mariah Carey?


If American Idol had been around when I was in college, and I had tried out for that show, would I want to have to sing old Tommy Dorsey, Frank Sinatra, Frankie Lane and Louis Prima tunes when I was being exposed to hair metal, early hip-hop, and alternative groups like R.E.M. and the Pixies? Hell no! But that's what these wannabes had to do the equivalent of when they sang their songs of the 50's and classic love songs theme nights.

Sad that most 20-year-olds today have no fucking clue what the hell came out before 1990. It's a huge blank space for them. Are all the ones with any sense of history on the org, because there are a lot of knowledgeable young people here. Save all the dumbasses for AI - it's better that way.

But it is particularly pathetic considering these morons want to be singers. You'd thing they'd actually be interested in, you know, music, musicians, singers beyond their lifetime.
[Edited 5/26/06 18:45pm]

VoicesCarry said:

dude, she's not into Meat Loaf. get over it. it's not an personal insult directed at you and all of his other hardcore fans

VoicesCarry said:

yeah, like Kylie and Janet and all the other exceptionally talented singers that came before her....

Dayspring said:

Nice to see you, Aaron.

VoicesCarry said:

good one. shows what these dopey kids know about the org these days.

Dayspring said:

Uh huh.

vainandy said:

man u know u aint right!

Dayspring said:

And c'mon folks... We're talking about Meat Loaf here. He's no music legend.

728huey said:

Why are we only going back to Frank Sinatra? These dumbass kids don't even know the collected works of Mozart and Haydn. What uneducated twits.

coolcat said:

wow, its that serious huh?

vainandy said:

Dayspring said:

I'm not even a Meat Loaf fan, but as I said - you want to start a career in the music business, then you should at least know a person who has made one of the biggest selling album of the 70's and one of the biggest selling album of the 90's. I don't consider Meat Loaf to be that important, and there are surely lots of good acts out there whose music I don't know, but I don't want to become a professional musician. You want to be in the business - you have to do your homework - simple as that.

If we think that even that is too much for today's kids to get some infos about certain people between two Playstation sessions or two episodes of "Pimp My Ride", then I understand why there is so much bullshit pop music out there.

vainandy said:

As we are on the topic - one of my colleagues at work (he actually thinks that the chart music on the radio is good) really asked me if Prince wrote his own songs! And no one at my work knew that he wrote "Nothing Compares 2 U". When I put Bowie on, they were surprised that Bowie had done "The Man Who Sold the World" and that it wasn't a Nirvana song! (Those are people in their late 20's though, no kids.)

VoicesCarry said:

Exactly. Knowing some history of what you claim to love doing.
What an "old fogey" thing to do.


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theAudience said:

That's the point. What's the sense in saying "but he/she was huge before "he/she was even born or when he/she was 9 years old"? I'm on a Prince fansite here - this guy had his biggest success when I was in elementary school. If you want to make your living with music, it should be possible that you get some proper infos about artists, especially in the age of the internet.

EmancipationLover said:

i feel what ur saying, but did u think that maybe they do know some stuff? just because whoever didnt know who meatloaf was doesnt mean anything, there are some artist i know nothing about and havent heard of, but it doesnt take away from the fact that i love music

Moonwalkbjrain said:

That wasn't really my point Moon.
We're talking about someone who is trying to be "in the business".

If you were going to do a duet with another artist that had some time (no matter how fleeting) in the industry, wouldn't you feel compelled to do at least some cursory research on their career if you knew nothing about them?


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Moonwalkbjrain said:

But have you applied for a show to make you a popstar? My point is that I'm missing professionalism from this person (I don't doubt that some of the contestants may have proper musical knowledge). I'm just a little bit allergic to it because that's something that happens too often these days imo. It's considered cool sometimes to come over as unprepared and naive, but I don't think it is. It's the same as with some radio DJs, sometimes they talk just a full load of bs about music that I wonder how they got the job. 20 years ago, people like that would have been fired. The girl wants to be in the business, then she'd better get some infos.

Those contestants maybe busy, but if learning to sing those songs takes so much of their time that they don't have 3 minutes left to google "Meat Loaf", then they for sure will have major trouble to make a career in pop music imo.

EmancipationLover said:

Why does she need to know about Meat Loaf? She learned the song. It's not going to affect her career in any way.

Knowing about Meat Loaf is proper musical knowledge?

coolcat said:

Some of your people still didn't get my original post. When I was growing up as a child in the late 1970's and early 1980's, I didn't spend a whole lot of time listening to the intracacies of Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry. I was just too busy listening to pop and disco records. Why would any of you expect someone like Katharine McPhee to know the history of Led Zeppelin, David Bowie and The Clash when her obvious musical stylings trend towards Barbara Streisand, Celine Dion and Mariah Carey? People are acting way too snobbish on this thread. This is just a pop show. Not everyone listens to music as intently as we do at the Org.

728huey said:

I understood your post, and I agree with you.

coolcat said:

And I disagree. That's like saying young football/soccer players don't have to know who Franz Beckenbauer or Pele are. Or a tennis professional doesn't have to know who Ivan Lendl is. For a private person, that doesn't have to mean jackshit, but if you want to make (a lot of) money in a certain business, I expect some professionalism. I don't expect her to get a complete Meat Loaf CD collection, but 3 minutes of her extremely important time spent on google isn't too much to ask imo.

coolcat said:

This isn't about Meat Loaf. It's about the body of knowledge that seems to be completely lost on these people.