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PrintableI'm bout ready to put a bullet in hip-hop's head. A lot of people won't say it but I will - I don't think 99% of the rappers that are rapping are worthy of live guitars, good musicians and often the band's that back them up. Who the hell wants to spend years learning an instrument only to be told by a dumb ass no-music-knowledge-havin' "hoeducer" to play a damn loop lick? Talking over someone's muisc is usually just not that impressive to me. I saw Ja Rule perform on MadTV once with a live band and I remember thinking "they are too damn good to have this mumbling muh-fhukr out in front of them." I'm disrespecting rap majorly right about now. Most of these so-called rap "artists" aren't really artists at all and the community needs to stop supporting this b.s. until standards are raised. Better yet, the community needs to go back to showing real MUSICIANS respect so that music can get out of the rut its in. Everybody wants music but nobody wants musicians to play it.  hip-hop. ....flame off...[Edited 5/26/06 12:56pm] | |
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namepeace said: sinisterpentatonic said: Pffft!!! Rubbish!!! It was a disappointment. It was basically a Black Jack Johnson demo with a few Mos Def tracks sprinkled in. I rarely play it. It's a lazy followup IMHO. Not terrible, but I expected better. But anyone who listens to "Hip Hop," "Rock and Roll" and "Umi Says" from Black on Both Sides can't possibly believe that Mos "hasn't done anything right since he was in Black Star (whose first and only CD is mildly overrated)." i'm well aware of the fact that Mos is a guru in the Hip-hop realm and that's what everyone was craving. i can agree with the fact that the hip-hop tracks were average, but i ate up the heavy stuff and wanted more. i thought Mos did an excellent job of fusing the two genres together. the only hip-hop track i was really into on that album was Close edge other than that, yeah, the hip hop was average. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: I'm bout ready to put a bullet in hip-hop's head. A lot of people won't say it but I will - I don't think 99% of the rappers that are rapping are worthy of live guitars, good musicians and often the band's that back them up. Who the hell wants to spend years learning an instrument only to be told by a dumb ass no-music-knowledge-havin' "hoeducer" to play a damn loop lick? Talking over someone's muisc is usually just not that impressive to me. I saw Ja Rule perform on MadTV once with a live band and I remember thinking "they are too damn good to have this mumbling muh-fhukr out in front of them." I'm disrespecting rap majorly right about now. Most of these so-called rap "artists" aren't really artists at all and the community needs to stop supporting this b.s. until standards are raised. Better yet, the community needs to go back to showing real MUSICIANS respect so that music can get out of the rut its in. Everybody wants music but nobody wants musicians to play it. . .[/i]
[Edited 5/26/06 12:56pm] Many hip-hop heads would agree with you that, for the most part, hit-pop has become a wasteland. That being said, if I challenged myself to name at least a dozen MCs who could flow with a band, I'd go with: MF Doom Kelvin Mercer Common Mos Kweli Rah Digga Black Thought Ghostface Jay-Z (yes indeed) Redman Chuck D Paris Hip-hop is not dead. It's hiding. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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sinisterpentatonic said: i'm well aware of the fact that Mos is a guru in the Hip-hop realm and that's what everyone was craving. i can agree with the fact that the hip-hop tracks were average, but i ate up the heavy stuff and wanted more. i thought Mos did an excellent job of fusing the two genres together. the only hip-hop track i was really into on that album was Close edge other than that, yeah, the hip hop was average. I'm aware that you're aware, believe me. I guess I'm right between you and the other orger. "Ghetto Rock" was a tight jam. The rest seemed like filler to me. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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And that comprises about 1% of the hip-hop community. I'm just sick of not being entertained by so-called entertainers. People like Prince, Roger, and oh yes - Rick James BELONG in front of a band. When they are out front, they know exactly what to do and - key in on this - YOU DON'T HAVE TO KNOW WHAT SONG THEY ARE DOING TO FIND THEM ENTERTAINING. The same can NOT be said for most rappers as far as I'm concerned. | |
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namepeace said: sinisterpentatonic said: i'm well aware of the fact that Mos is a guru in the Hip-hop realm and that's what everyone was craving. i can agree with the fact that the hip-hop tracks were average, but i ate up the heavy stuff and wanted more. i thought Mos did an excellent job of fusing the two genres together. the only hip-hop track i was really into on that album was Close edge other than that, yeah, the hip hop was average. I'm aware that you're aware, believe me. I guess I'm right between you and the other orger. "Ghetto Rock" was a tight jam. The rest seemed like filler to me. don't forget Zimzallabim.  | |
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namepeace said: Jay-Z (yes indeed)
That was tight when he did "I Just Wanna Love U (Give It 2 Me)" on SNL with a live band.  | |
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Jay-Z is a lazy performer. He doesn't move that much when he "performs". People like him for his lyrics not his performance skills. If you're not going to put on a show, you don't deserve a band in my opinion. People have been settling for far too long. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Jay-Z is a lazy performer. He doesn't move that much when he "performs". People like him for his lyrics not his performance skills. If you're not going to put on a show, you don't deserve a band in my opinion. People have been settling for far too long.
seems like Big Daddy Kane, Jay-Z's mentor, could do both. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Jay-Z is a lazy performer. He doesn't move that much when he "performs". People like him for his lyrics not his performance skills. If you're not going to put on a show, you don't deserve a band in my opinion. People have been settling for far too long.
I think Jay-Z performs to the level of his surroundings. If he had a lively band behind him I think he'd pick up the pace. But that's spek-a-lay-shun on my part. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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So this is where the "knowledgable" folks are at!!! | |
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I tell u what.if kids heard real music on the radio, and if it was cool being a musican again, we just may get some music out of the next generation. when we were younger, earth wind and fire ran the radio.average white band, cameo, con funk shun. ray parker jr,, parliment. there was no sign of non musical entertainers being heard..In other words what ever is getting air play.thats what dictates what we get from the next generation.right now all we hear is garbage.so all we will get is garbage.until we hear real music this is it. stickman | |
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theAudience said: sinisterpentatonic said:  is there hope after all? 
tA  Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 Unfortunately, I don't think Public Enemy has much influence in the hip hop world anymore. My Legacy
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