CinisterCee said:

And what has he done since? Fuck all

VoicesCarry said:

Well he got paid off in a settlement from Janet so he's probably living off the money in obscurity somewhere.

wonder505 said:

Rene's union with Janet was more of a business partnership than a real relationship. He was a leech.

PSA regarding single/album info: http://www.prince.org/msg/8/189140
[Edited 5/15/06 15:10pm]

Rene's skeezy. I'm glad he's gone.

twink69 said:

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Since when? She did one with Busta Rhymes back when he was hot shit.

On another note I heard what was touted to be a new Janet song on the radio about two weeks ago. It was in a word... horrible. It was a dance track along the lines of that crap Jermaine Dupri did with LL that's playing on the radio these days. It used a sample but for the life of me I can't remember what song was used.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Wasn't a sample. Was a remake of Debbie Deb's "Look Out Weekend" called "Weekend". It was just something for fans, not a single and not on the album.

VoicesCarry said:

That's it! Thanks. I couldn't remember the name of that crap. In any event it was still horrible.

Stop hating yall

Madonna did it with the reach back and go forward disco on Confessions

Mariah did hers with the 70's for Mimi

So why can't Janet it do it for the 80s? We all know that she needs a new sound. maybe this will do it.

I'm for one at least willing to hear the track. But what do I know, I like "Weekend" LOL

Denn

Weekend is much better then the Debbie Deb version..Debbi;'s vocals were waaay off key and off balance. The drums n shit was hott though.


Anyway..Im tired of "JD" always supposedly letting everybody else hear the album and not Janet herself.
This is sum roumor bs

Nelly sucks ass

VoicesCarry said:

He certainly benefited from the relationship, but so did Janet. Rene was writing a lot of the songs without credit. This is not just my opinion. Both Janet and Rene have said this on more than one occasion. He also came up with the concepts. Rhythm Nation for instance was his idea. Janet has said in interviews how she felt uncomfortable talking about the ideas when she knew they weren't really hers. Rene said the reason he never took credit was because he didn't want her family thinking he was taking over her career.
What's interesting is how Janet fans have taken the "Quick, sweep that under tha carpet before anyone notices!" approach. It's very inconvenient information to have around if you've decided Janet is some great artist, and best ignored.

whoknows said:

Just noticed no one's responded to this. The conspiracy of silence continues. Quick, grab the broom and lift up that carpet!

twink69 said:

Awesome I luh that song.

But why all the samples all th e time. I guess that is what works for her formula.

But why not do something else and keep expanding. Even if it doesn't sell. Artisitc growth much?

whoknows said:

I certainly wasn't aware that my comment had been responded to in the first place, as how many pages did you have to go back to find this thread ? If you ever want me to respond to something, orgnote me so that I actually notice a thread that is on page 5.

Anyway, a few notes:

1. Rhythm Nation was a concept that Janet worked out with Jimmy & Terry, not with Rene, and they have explained its genesis in many interviews. I don't know which interviews you are talking about, but I have never seen them, sorry to say.

2. I am unaware of Janet saying she was uncomfortable talking about ideas because they were not her own. I do not think she would be so candid if Rene really was writing all her songs, as you claim. She barely talks about private matters as it is. The only song she has received solo credit on is Black Cat, and she has acknowledged that she had help from Jellybean on that one. During her years with Rene, most tracks were written with Jimmy & Terry. The routine is, Jimmy & Terry come up with a rough instrumental outline, and then they work on the lyrics together. She had a close lyrical collaboration with Rene for The Velvet Rope, and he is credited for many tracks on that album. Jimmy, Terry and Janet have all said that, during the recording of Control, she was uncomfortable talking about ideas because they were painful to her at the time - her divorce, a strained relationship with Joe, etc., all of which was touched on during the Control sessions.

3. Janet is a pop star. I don't think anyone here is under the impression that she is a brilliant musician, so what conspiracy of silence you are referring to is completely beyond me. Like many other pop stars, she needs producers to bring out the best in her. Unlike many others, she has now sustained a 25-year recording career, so she is clearly doing something right, whether you appreciate her music or not.

The bottom line is, Rene hasn't done anything since Janet left him, and he hadn't done anything before she met him, either. He was a good dancer and photographer, and that is how she became involved with him in the first place.
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Rene was proably given MORE credit then deserved. As if Jam and Lewis were taking him aboard fully

Eww I remember his punkass in Poetic Justice

VoicesCarry said:[quote]

whoknows said:

I certainly wasn't aware that my comment had been responded to in the first place, as how many pages did you have to go back to find this thread ? If you ever want me to respond to something, orgnote me so that I actually notice a thread that is on page 5.

Anyway, a few notes:

1. Rhythm Nation was a concept that Janet worked out with Jimmy & Terry, not with Rene, and they have explained its genesis in many interviews. I don't know which interviews you are talking about, but I have never seen them, sorry to say.

I agree with everything except for this point. I remember, don't know what interview exactly where Jimmy Jam specifically said that Janet came back to him (Jimmy Jam) with the Rhythmn Nation concept. He never said the idea was a colloborative effort. I'm more inclined to believe the music on the album thereafter was but not the idea.

There is no way of knowing what really is the truth but there is no reason for me to believe that Rene had NOTHING to do with Rhythmn Nation either. Just because of how their divorce went down does not mean I have to blindly believe whatever Janet says because I'm a fan. If he did come up with the idea, so what?
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VoicesCarry said:

The thread was on page 3 I think. Anyway, Janet did say she was uncomfortable talking about ideas that weren't hers. It was when the secret marriage and divorce had come out and she was unburdening herself. Also, Rene came out about his contributions in 98 when he was still with Janet so he must have had her blessing to do so.I never said he wrote all her songs, just that he made significant contributions. Just look at the massive dip in quality after he left. Her work lost all intelligence and started to sound like Backstreet Boys cast offs. The fact that he's done nothing since is meaningless. He knows full well he lucked out getting with Janet and no doubt that fired him up creatively knowing that his contributions would be seen by millions. Finding someone else with the surname Jackson and the open doors that provided would be impossible(do you think J&L would have worked with her in 86 if she weren't related to Michael?) Starting from scratch with an unknown would be too disheartening. I don't think there's any doubt he was an opportunist but he was far from a leech.

wonder505 said:[quote]

VoicesCarry said:

That's exactly my memory as well. Do you seriously think Janet ploughs through her history books and thinks about how 1814 was the year of independence? Rene also came up with the whole idea for the 30 minute film. His contributions were major.

Actually it is funny that we haven't seen Rene since they divorced...if he's such a creative dynamo.

CinisterCee said:

See my comments above. Also, what has Janet done since they divorced? Two albums of songs with all the sophistication of a Britney B side

whoknows said:

whoknows said:

Wrong.

All For You is an underrated classic imho

DiamondGirl said:

I'd like to say I respect your opinion but I'd be lying.

Exactly.

She sure does need a new sound but this ain't the way to do it. The way to do it is to get rid of all samples, all rappers, and any hip hop influences whatsoever. Get in the studio with Jimmy, Terry, and some musicians. Speed the tempo up and get back to throwing down. Get the asses shaking again.

vainandy said:

Considering the budget she has access to, she could be hiring a group of serious musicians to throw down with.

whoknows said:

I'm sorry, I wasn't rooting through the dustbin for it. During the week I work 12 hour days so I happen miss a lot of threads once they slip off page 1. It wasn't intentional, honest!

whoknows said:

Sorry, never heard of it. Janet has been very private about her relationship with Rene. For example, most people still don't know the details of why they parted.

whoknows said:

I think I know which interview you're talking about. He was talking about TVR sessions, for which he received lyric credits. He said that he had worked with Janet on some lyrics prior to that album, but had only now begun taking credit for his work. He did not say he was writing her songs for her (hard to do, when they are written with Jam & Lewis, who were not fond of Rene).

whoknows said:

There are some really great songs on both All For You and Damita Jo, so we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. "Trust A Try" and "Better Days", for example, rank among her best. I am glad that Janet is not in the emotional position she was in during the Velvet Rope sessions.

whoknows said:

No? He did absolutely nothing before and absolutely nothing since. Janet's main collaborators are Jimmy & Terry. Why are you acting like Rene made her? At most he contributed some lyrics.

whoknows said:

Fired him up creatively to do what? He didn't produce anything, he didn't write the majority of the songs - he was a session photographer for her, and he directed some videos.

whoknows said:

Rene was a sleazebag. He liked the idea of cash and fame and used Janet to hitch a free ride. Janet has always had bad taste in men. It is what it is. At least now she is with someone who stands up for her and makes his own money.

Thank you for setting the record gay straight, VC.

CinisterCee said:

wonder505 said:[quote]

VoicesCarry said:

"The thing we set out to do was not make Control Part II. We purposely didn't do any songs that were like 'Nasty' or 'What Have You Done For Me Lately' updated. The actual Rhythm Nation idea wasn't formed until about six or seven songs into the project. We realized there was a theme taking shape. During breaks, we spent a lot of time in the studio lounge watching television. We were watching a lot of CNN and there were a lot of world events that were happening that were screwed up. That was on our minds while we were making the album." - Jimmy Jam

Of course Rene had something to do with Rhythm Nation. He worked on some choreography with Terry Bixler, and I am also sure he is not lying about working with Janet on the lyrics, as they were together at the time. But I don't think he was the creative force of the project, or in any of her work.
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