BlaqueKnight said:

if you are referring your comment to me, its just my opinion like anybody else's remarks on this thread...what you say isn't fact, last i checked you weren't a producer on Oprah's show, otherwise you wouldn't even be talking about how a least popular hip hop show is "unrealistic" in your eyes. That business is dollars and cents, they nor NBC don't give a fuck about hip hop.
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CalhounSq said:

The media mogul said she personally felt the worldwide impact of rap during an encounter with a security guard for African political leader Nelson Mandela.

According to Winfrey, the guard greeted her group by saying "Hello n***as."

Winfrey explained to Ed Lover that the guard thought it was the norm because they watched videos and listened to rap music

thats why.

vman4639 said:

well he got his wish a coupla times didnt he?

Moonwalkbjrain said:

All the more reason to do a show on it.

While I agree on she shudda just talked about the fims, she shouldve handeled the music thing more on a less attacking level.

But ya know some shit need 2 be said



Fuck 50 Cent, never liked the bitch..

But back 2 the subject, I wish I heard the unedited cut of the show..or any of it...matter of fact..

You Tube probably got it

VoicesCarry said:

That may be true as the day is long, however, as a BLACK AMERICAN WOMAN, who lives and travels the world over, I have to say that I do not appreciate the fact that for whatever good he's doing at home with his participation in films like Crash, he is still actively involved in X-rated marketing for his music videos in Europe to the point of utter saturation. In all sincerity,I'm not sure how his videos are shown in the US,I will take your suggestion to heart that within the North American borders, he may appear as one of the more commericial, middle of the road rappers out there...HOWEVER, when I see Ludacris videos here in Europe, that make it to the top of video and music charts, with incessant airplay, I am CONTANTLY assaulted by images of Ludacris and Co. playing the "pimp" role, surrounded by fully NAKED women (and make no mistake, I mean FULLY NUDE women), clapping their ass cheeks to vulgar lyrics in all their greased-up delusional glory. It is VILE, it is MISOGYNISTIC, and I'm sorry but he gets no "pass" from me for advocating this type of mentality or lifestyle. The problems in the Black American and American community at large are cancerous enough without him continuing to agree to push these images of my culture on an international scale.

BlaqueKnight said:

sounds logical enough, actually...okay, then....who's going to go on the oprah.com site and pitch it as a show suggestion??? i already did my part by pitching a concept suggestion for the world view of America at the dawn of the Iraq war (which they picked up!!!) ...but in all sincerity, you have an excellent point above, and maybe it's just that no one has actually put it forth before so that a show like this could seriously be considered...

interesting...


I saw the Crash show and I don't think Luda ended up looking so badly. (shrug) She called him to task about the word "NIGGA" and other lyrics. He tried to explain it. Sandra Bullock mentioned also using "bitches and Hoes". Terence tried to explain and then said he'll be more conscience about it.


Why do rappers want to be on Oprah all of a sudden? New marketing campaign or what?

She also asked everyone questions that had nothing to do with the movie but about their personal careers.

and normally the "aftershow" show appears on her Oxygen station.

I personally think Luda is whining a little bit.

Rhondab said:

Ludacris never said he wanted to be on Oprah. He was part of the "Crash" cast. He said she edited out his comments and answers. Many people take offense to being edited a certain way, which is probably why Prince has been so careful throughout his career.

Rhondab said:

That's another thing. Oprah didn't attack Ludacris or bring up something at the wrong time. With a movie like Crash, inevitably the n-word came up. And Oprah asked everybody about it, and she didn't start with Luda. She asked him more questions because when you think about the prevalence of the n-word in America, you think about rap. Rappers were the ones who are looked at when you think about why so many people using this word. "Well they hear it from them rap songs". (This is only partially true, because it is a cycle, rappers talk about what they know, and people who receive use because of the rappers, and no one wants to take responsibility, and no one knows who should). So obviously that's why she zeroed in on him with those questions.

But the real culprit is Sandra Bullock, she was the one who brought up "bitches and hoes" in the lyrics and Ludacris was the only one to turn to at that point because no one on that stage uses those words, the way he does in his music, if they do at all. He wasn't attacked as so many are saying. He was included in a discussion that he had more say in than eveyone else. Not only wasn't he attacked, he never said he was. Where the hell did that even come from? His comments were edited out, and that was very wrong, but she didn't attack him. The discussion naturally moved in that direction which is how all of Oprah's shows go

Mara said:

OK, Mara is probably right on this one.

BlaqueKnight said:

I'm aware of why he was on Oprah but because I watched that very show, I feel safe in saying Luda is whining. PurpleRighteous' response is on point especially if you saw the show.

He wasn't attacked and he didn't even look bad. He's trippin' and for some reason rappers want to go after Oprah. I wouldn't have 50 cent cut my grass let alone come on my talk show.

Mara said:

CORRECTION:

50Cent & his G-Unit are all gay, Ludacris needs to stay away from strip clubs for a while, and Oprah actually does have a huge older white female following!!! Case reopen.

CalhounSq said:

Rhondab said:

ROFLMMFAO!!! Girl, I'm @ work! I can't be laughing all loud up in hea!!!

Well Oprah IS right. She's always right. She's Oprah.

But seriously lots of young kids don't understand rap and take things too literaly but they do that with metal and punk rock too. There is nothing you can really do about that Oprah.

Krystal666 said:

Thanks Krystal.

I've been thinking the same thing for years now.

Remember a time when Heavy Metal was THE most controversial genre in the America. I don't recall anyone like Oprah (or ANY talkshow host of that era) wanted to take Motley Crue, Ozzy, Twisted Sister, Poison, Guns N Roses, or even Ronnie James Dio to task over setting a bad example for young white people.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Anyone?

TonyVanDam said:

not since the days of the PMRC, when she had jello biafra and tipper gore on the show. of course, jello's a bit more responsible than most of the metalheads on your list, but he was defending their right to make music and kicking tipper's butt left and right in so doing.

I sort of agree that Oprah perhaps shouldnt have brought up the topic of rap when Ludacris did come on the show as an actor in a movie. He didnt even play a rapper in the film so at least you could have understood if Oprah segued into the topic of rap. Its true that rap music can be violent and hateful towards women and the ghetto lifestyle is glamorized but there is a time and a place for everything. Rap music has been like this for a while so why didnt she do any shows before solely on that particular topic (maybe she has and I haven't seen them) and what shows are she planning and/or doing to address this topic now that she opened up that Pandoras box so-to-speak AFTER the fact of beginning the discussion because a rapper happened to be on her show?

Heavensgirl said:

These two issues has always been glamorized thru mob movies and action flicks and violent video games...

Hip-hop just can't be targeted..

It's just the newest scapegoat....

TonyVanDam said:

I *do* remember that, vividly. To this day, lots of folks think of heavy metal and hard rock as "Devil Music."

Tipper Gore staunchly disapproved!

Now did the rock music controversy of the '80s result in all the Parental Advisory stickers on today's explicit music or did it come about during the 2 Live Crew hoopla?

Mara said:

It came about when one of Tipper's daughter brought THIS album home one fateful afternoon. After listening to the fifth track (Darling Nikki), Tipper became outrage:

funkpill said:

thats true

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Oprah is "God"? Shouldn't it be "Goddess"?

Krytonite said:

No. Oprah has a penis. She had Steadman's surgically removed and grafted onto her.