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PrintableVoicesCarry said: What she did to Ludacris was still not right.
That's true, but I don't think she should be getting so much flack from ppl. I think she was just too strict on her policy about giving certain people power by having them on her show. Ludacris was on the show to discuss Crash as an actor not a rapper and Oprah shouldn't have refused to have him on just because he was a rapper. However, the conversation inevitably went to him and his lyrics because of the subject of the movie. She wasn't beating him up she was just letting him know that she felt that the lyrics he chooses to use are not necessary. And I agree that Ludacris is too smart for that. Oprah was wrong for holding her policy too strict and she should've thought about the fact that he wanted to be on the show to display his other hat in the entertainment industry. It was a simple misjudgement. I think she should rethink the way she does that for other artists as well. I graduated bitches!!! 12-19-09   | |
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Mara said: Oprah Responds to Hip-Hop Criticism
By Chris Richburg and Clarence Burke Jr. Date: 5/12/2006 06:15 PM Talk show host Oprah Winfrey is speaking out about the recent criticism she has received from the Hip-Hop community. In the past few weeks, rappers Ludacris and 50 Cent have openly condemned Winfrey, who appeared on Ed Lover's Power 105.1 radio show yesterday (May 11) to defend her side of the story. "I listen to some Hip-Hop. I've been accused of not liking Hip-Hop and that's just not true," she said. "I got a little 50 [Cent] in my iPod. I really do. I like 'In Da Club.' Have you heard the beat to 'In Da Club'? Love that, love Jay-Z, love Kanye, love Mary J. Mary J. is one of my friends." The backlash against Winfrey sparked last year after Ludacris appeared on The Oprah Winfrey Show to promote his co-starring role in the film Crash. While discussing the movie's racial subject matter with the other cast members, Winfrey interrogated Ludacris about his notoriously raunchy lyrics. The rapper addressed the incident in the May issue of GQ Magazine, stating that Winfrey edited his comments out of the show. He also revealed that he wasn't invited to appear on the show initially, and that he felt Winfrey's questioning was inappropriate considering the fact that he appeared on the show as an actor. "What I got was that by having rappers on her show, she feels like she is empowering in them. It was like being at someone's house who doesn't really want you there," Ludacris told GQ. "I don't see why Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle, who I am huge fans of, it's OK for them to go on Oprah. They speak the same language as I do, but they do it through comedy, so I guess that's acceptable to her." Winfrey said she and Ludacris continued their conversation after the show, as she attempted to explain why she put the rapper in the hot seat. "I said 'Look Ludacris, you are so smart. You are one of the brilliant guys. I used to have the Klan on and the skinheads on and I looked out in the audience and I saw contact being made between the guys in the audience and the stage and they were like, 'Yeah get her, get her, get her, Bud,'" she said. "At that moment, I was doing nobody any good [by] putting those people on because I realized that that platform was being seen and heard by a lot of people who weren't as smart as I am. "My idea was, I want y'all to know that this is what's going on," Winfrey continued. "And I said to Ludacris, 'A lot of people who listen to your music aren't as smart as you are. So they take some of that stuff literally when you are just writing it for entertainment purposes.'" Ludacris isn't the only rapper who has claimed to be offended by Winfrey's actions, however. 50 Cent told the Associated Press that rappers are a rarity on her show. "I think she caters to older white women." 50 said, adding that "Oprah's audience is my audience's parents. So, I could care less about Oprah or her show. I'm actually better off having friction with her." While Winfrey expressed her love of Hip-Hop to Ed Lover, she also decried the misogyny prevalent in the music and stressed that there are many different aspects of Hip-Hop. The media mogul said she personally felt the worldwide impact of rap during an encounter with a security guard for African political leader Nelson Mandela. According to Winfrey, the guard greeted her group by saying "Hello n***as." Winfrey explained to Ed Lover that the guard thought it was the norm because they watched videos and listened to rap music. Lover later told Winfrey that he would never use the word 'b***h' again. Hip-Hop's power is undeniable, Winfrey acknowledged, as she noted the music's growing influence years ago, as well as the accompanying responsibility. "Years and years ago, Quincy Jones and I had this conversation about the evolution of Hip-Hop and what it really means to our culture," Winfrey said. "Hip-Hop is like jazz and gospel music, evolved from the people, a form of protest, a form of expression so you can't deny that, nor would I try. But I do believe there needs to be awareness of who we are, how we got here and what that means about staying here." http://www.allhiphop.com/...s/?ID=5667 Now this is partially true... 
Some people don't know any better. Then there are some who do know, and choose to live that way. Thinking hood is the only way of life.. But there's negative in other forms of things just as well.. Can't just blame it on hip-hop..  [Edited 5/13/06 17:42pm] | |
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CalhounSq said: Mara said: 50 Cent told the Associated Press that rappers are a rarity on her show.
Umm, why the fuck would she have rappers on her show day & night?  WTF would they talk about? I mean really, this shit is just dumb.
It's like they're making her choose - is she down for them as individuals OR down for the advancement of Black people/the rights of women, etc. Because sometimes you can't be both. They know what side of the coin they're sitting on, so why are they now mad @ her for not celebrating something that may be hurting us on a global scale? She's looking @ the bigger picture instead of high fiving every knuckle head w/ 10 cars in the garage. Gimme a break... i feel u on that, but she could always have the more positive rappers on there. wat about common, mos, public enemy, little brother, etc...? Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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VoicesCarry said: CalhounSq said: She said they continued their convo after the show... I think it was a rhetorical question on Cinnie's part. Do we know if she said this? No. Could just be something she made up now to justify her actions. I got you, my bad... but it could have been an actual convo they had after the show too...   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Moonwalkbjrain said: CalhounSq said: Umm, why the fuck would she have rappers on her show day & night? WTF would they talk about? I mean really, this shit is just dumb.
It's like they're making her choose - is she down for them as individuals OR down for the advancement of Black people/the rights of women, etc. Because sometimes you can't be both. They know what side of the coin they're sitting on, so why are they now mad @ her for not celebrating something that may be hurting us on a global scale? She's looking @ the bigger picture instead of high fiving every knuckle head w/ 10 cars in the garage. Gimme a break... i feel u on that, but she could always have the more positive rappers on there. wat about common, mos, public enemy, little brother, etc...? Maybe she will now that this hip hop criticism shit has come up. But rap music isn't necessarily a part of her world or cause so why would she showcase it? And who even knows if she's aware of Common & Mos musically? How often do you really think Oprah is having conversations about positive rappers? I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Mara said: VoicesCarry said: What she did to Ludacris was still not right.
Ludacris is mad because his demons are staring him straight in the face. Oprah HELD HIM RESPONSIBLE for the images HE put out there. Oprah didn't attack him she was just holding the guy accountable. And more people need to hold these stupid ass rappers accountable for the sh*t they do. Suburbanites love to listen to this shite music at their frat parties, house parties in their cars or whatever, but do you REALLY want thugs and lowlifes in your community. It's a ghetto fantasy that is being marketed! And I'm glad Oprah, Bill Cosby and other black folks out there aren't catering to it and are holding these clowns accountable. These rappers look ridiculous. Amen!!! Thank You! | |
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funkpill said: Mara said: Oprah Responds to Hip-Hop Criticism
By Chris Richburg and Clarence Burke Jr. Date: 5/12/2006 06:15 PM Talk show host Oprah Winfrey is speaking out about the recent criticism she has received from the Hip-Hop community. In the past few weeks, rappers Ludacris and 50 Cent have openly condemned Winfrey, who appeared on Ed Lover's Power 105.1 radio show yesterday (May 11) to defend her side of the story. "I listen to some Hip-Hop. I've been accused of not liking Hip-Hop and that's just not true," she said. "I got a little 50 [Cent] in my iPod. I really do. I like 'In Da Club.' Have you heard the beat to 'In Da Club'? Love that, love Jay-Z, love Kanye, love Mary J. Mary J. is one of my friends." The backlash against Winfrey sparked last year after Ludacris appeared on The Oprah Winfrey Show to promote his co-starring role in the film Crash. While discussing the movie's racial subject matter with the other cast members, Winfrey interrogated Ludacris about his notoriously raunchy lyrics. The rapper addressed the incident in the May issue of GQ Magazine, stating that Winfrey edited his comments out of the show. He also revealed that he wasn't invited to appear on the show initially, and that he felt Winfrey's questioning was inappropriate considering the fact that he appeared on the show as an actor. "What I got was that by having rappers on her show, she feels like she is empowering in them. It was like being at someone's house who doesn't really want you there," Ludacris told GQ. "I don't see why Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle, who I am huge fans of, it's OK for them to go on Oprah. They speak the same language as I do, but they do it through comedy, so I guess that's acceptable to her." Winfrey said she and Ludacris continued their conversation after the show, as she attempted to explain why she put the rapper in the hot seat. "I said 'Look Ludacris, you are so smart. You are one of the brilliant guys. I used to have the Klan on and the skinheads on and I looked out in the audience and I saw contact being made between the guys in the audience and the stage and they were like, 'Yeah get her, get her, get her, Bud,'" she said. "At that moment, I was doing nobody any good [by] putting those people on because I realized that that platform was being seen and heard by a lot of people who weren't as smart as I am. "My idea was, I want y'all to know that this is what's going on," Winfrey continued. "And I said to Ludacris, 'A lot of people who listen to your music aren't as smart as you are. So they take some of that stuff literally when you are just writing it for entertainment purposes.'" Ludacris isn't the only rapper who has claimed to be offended by Winfrey's actions, however. 50 Cent told the Associated Press that rappers are a rarity on her show. "I think she caters to older white women." 50 said, adding that "Oprah's audience is my audience's parents. So, I could care less about Oprah or her show. I'm actually better off having friction with her." While Winfrey expressed her love of Hip-Hop to Ed Lover, she also decried the misogyny prevalent in the music and stressed that there are many different aspects of Hip-Hop. The media mogul said she personally felt the worldwide impact of rap during an encounter with a security guard for African political leader Nelson Mandela. According to Winfrey, the guard greeted her group by saying "Hello n***as." Winfrey explained to Ed Lover that the guard thought it was the norm because they watched videos and listened to rap music. Lover later told Winfrey that he would never use the word 'b***h' again. Hip-Hop's power is undeniable, Winfrey acknowledged, as she noted the music's growing influence years ago, as well as the accompanying responsibility. "Years and years ago, Quincy Jones and I had this conversation about the evolution of Hip-Hop and what it really means to our culture," Winfrey said. "Hip-Hop is like jazz and gospel music, evolved from the people, a form of protest, a form of expression so you can't deny that, nor would I try. But I do believe there needs to be awareness of who we are, how we got here and what that means about staying here." http://www.allhiphop.com/...s/?ID=5667 Now this is partially true...
Some people don't know any better. Then there are some who do know, and choose to live that way. Thinking hood is the only way of life.. But there's negative in other forms of things just as well.. Can't just blame it on hip-hop..
[Edited 5/13/06 17:42pm] And that's a good point too. Because I have always said if you attack hip hop, you need to attack Hollyowod too for the sex and violence. | |
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VoicesCarry said: whoknows said: 
Oh, the injustice! The injustice I tell you! If Oprah had any guts regarding this issue, she should do a show about it or simply release a statement to all the major markets confirming her views. But nothing is gained by an illogical and poorly-orchestrated attack on one rapper who was in the cast of Crash. I agree. And if she wants to do a show about it, head right for the top and question the record industry executives so eager to exploit and glamorise a lifestyle, luring in dumbasses like 50 Cent who haven't got the intellect to rationalise what they do. | |
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funkpill said: VoicesCarry said: No, just a religion.  And short white men.
The irony is that Luda was doing something good by participating in Crash. [Edited 5/13/06 15:22pm] While I agree that Ophra was wrong for what she did to Luda, let me just say this.....Fuck Rap. | |
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Dayspring said: oh for christ's sake. leave Oprah alone. she's practically the second coming. nobody's going to get anywhere in life and entertainment by beating up on Oprah. she's been the most successful black woman/person in the US for 20 years. she's been here longer than any of them and will outlast them all. what exactly do they think they're trying to accomplish by beating up on her? it's going to backfire on them.
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Graycap23 said: Fuck Rap.
That pisses me off | |
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CinisterCee said: Graycap23 said: Fuck Rap.
That pisses me off That just means he loves it so much he wants to bend it over, lube it up and fuck it. | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: CinisterCee said: That pisses me off That just means he loves it so much he wants to bend it over, lube it up and fuck it. | |
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I feel so much better.  | |
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" got a silly rapper talking silly shit instead
And the only good rapper is one that's dead ..... on it" "See the rapper's problem usually stem from being tone deaf Pack the house then try 2 sing, there won't be no one left (ha ha) (on it)" | |
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vman4639 said: " got a silly rapper talking silly shit instead
And the only good rapper is one that's dead ..... on it" "See the rapper's problem usually stem from being tone deaf Pack the house then try 2 sing, there won't be no one left (ha ha) (on it)" Just so you know, that song sucks. | |
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"Man, OPRAH is Fucking up" ----- Dave Chapplle "Who gon' clean up all deez Flowers" ----Eddie Murphy as mr. clarence | |
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VoicesCarry said: Do we know if she said this? YES, WE DO. Oprah on Luda Oprah picked the wrong place and time for this discussion. She's out of touch with the youth, too. Bill O'Reilly made Luda the poster boy for "bad rap" and middle class white conservatives have taken his word as gospel. Its obvious that this is her source. With 50 Cent and many others out there glorifying vioence to a much higher degree, she picked Luda. Maybe it was out of convienence but still. Wrong time. If she doesn't want to do a show about it, then she needs to hold her tongue on the subject altogether rather than take potshots. | |
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Dayspring said: oh for christ's sake. leave Oprah alone. she's practically the second coming. nobody's going to get anywhere in life and entertainment by beating up on Oprah. she's been the most successful black woman/person in the US for 20 years. she's been here longer than any of them and will outlast them all. what exactly do they think they're trying to accomplish by beating up on her? it's going to backfire on them.
the higher you climb the tree, the more of your tail you show. | |
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CinisterCee said: "And I said to Ludacris, 'A lot of people who listen to your music aren't as smart as you are. So they take some of that stuff literally when you are just writing it for entertainment purposes.'"
And did she even actually say all of that? Or is that her justification. ----- Why would Oprah have to lie about anything that she said to Ludacris. (LOL) | |
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Anx said: the higher you climb the tree, the more of your tail you show. Dang, is that Zen?
Only teasing ya Anx. Anyhoo, it looks to me like it's gonna lead to Oprah actually doing a show about this topic, because one thing about these guys is they don't back down and neither will Oprah. I think. She called him out, pure and simple and I ain't mad at her for that but in all fairness she should have invited him to do a show about that issue so he could have been prepared to address it instead of blindsiding him. In fact, if Luda had been more sophisticated he could have told her that's a topic for another show and let it go at that. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: Dayspring said: oh for christ's sake. leave Oprah alone. she's practically the second coming. nobody's going to get anywhere in life and entertainment by beating up on Oprah. she's been the most successful black woman/person in the US for 20 years. she's been here longer than any of them and will outlast them all. what exactly do they think they're trying to accomplish by beating up on her? it's going to backfire on them.
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Dayspring said: Comparing a media mouthpiece to Jesus Christ is not only blastphemeous but naive. Oprah is Oprah, not a saviour. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Dayspring said: Comparing a media mouthpiece to Jesus Christ is not only blastphemeous but naive. Oprah is Oprah, not a saviour. i'm sure you'll get over it | |
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Dayspring said: BlaqueKnight said: Comparing a media mouthpiece to Jesus Christ is not only blastphemeous but naive. Oprah is Oprah, not a saviour. i'm sure you'll get over it Already have. Ignorance is always in abundance. [Edited 5/14/06 14:08pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Dayspring said: i'm sure you'll get over it Already have. Ignorance is always abundant. righteous indignation and over-reaction as well  | |
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the hip hop stars railing against oprah is kinda like the early rock stars calling hit parade DJs square. it's more rebellious than anything anyone else in popular modern music is doing these days, whether it's right or wrong. | |
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The media is making it out to be more than what it really is. Ludacris was pissed for being censored by Oprah editing out his answers to her questions and putting a "spin" on his comments after she called him out on an issue that had nothing to do with why he was on the show. Some of the people on here act as if Luda did something wrong whereas if she had done this to Prince about his sexual lyrics and called him a hypocrite for turning the tide after he's made a fortune selling sex, she would be crucified on here with people calling for a ban on her show. Fact is, it was out of line of Oprah to have his comments edited if he answered her after calling him out and taking potshots at him when he came on to talk about "Crash". That is why she is being criticized. All that other mess is nonesense. Its not hip-hop vs. Oprah. 50 Cent made some comments about her because he's an attention whore and wanted to jump in since he saw that there may be rap industry "beef" somewhere and he wasn't involved. Whether Oprah's opinions were right or wrong is less relevant than the fact that her timing was way out of bounds. That's the kind of thing she should do a show about if it matters to her but she akins it to doing a Klan show and giving what she despises a voice, so she can continue to recommend books and let celebs jump on her couch instead. Either put up or shut up about it. Sucker punches are "low brow". | |
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BlaqueKnight said: The media is making it out to be more than what it really is. Ludacris was pissed for being censored by Oprah editing out his answers to her questions and putting a "spin" on his comments after she called him out on an issue that had nothing to do with why he was on the show. Some of the people on here act as if Luda did something wrong whereas if she had done this to Prince about his sexual lyrics and called him a hypocrite for turning the tide after he's made a fortune selling sex, she would be crucified on here with people calling for a ban on her show. Fact is, it was out of line of Oprah to have his comments edited if he answered her after calling him out and taking potshots at him when he came on to talk about "Crash". That is why she is being criticized. All that other mess is nonesense. Its not hip-hop vs. Oprah. 50 Cent made some comments about her because he's an attention whore and wanted to jump in since he saw that there may be rap industry "beef" somewhere and he wasn't involved. Whether Oprah's opinions were right or wrong is less relevant than the fact that her timing was way out of bounds. That's the kind of thing she should do a show about if it matters to her but she akins it to doing a Klan show and giving what she despises a voice, so she can continue to recommend books and let celebs jump on her couch instead. Either put up or shut up about it. Sucker punches are "low brow".
Ouch!!!  Well said... | |
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Look Oprah is out to protect her ratings just like any other talk show host...i mean c'mon with the exception of the "jerry springer show" is there any other talk show that has lasted as long as Oprah has on a major network???
If she had rappers on her show now and then like she has those popular "white" actors on (as someone stated before) who are putting out a movie that week...i'm sorry, but those old white ladies who love her show would just turn the tv off...they don't want to see no black rappers on talking about their art, not even if it was Common and Mos Def on the show...sad but true...now white teenagers are a different story.... I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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