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The Vinyl Comeback

Here is an interesting article on the rise of vinyl sales. I have been buying a lot more music on vinyl over the last few years. I'm glad to see there is more coming.

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14 May 2006

Technology Editor Tony Glover
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BESET by digital piracy and increasing customer reluctance to pay for CDs, the music industry is fighting back with its latest technology – black vinyl records.

Music labels and high street retailers are busy turning back the industry’s clock to a time not only before internet song downloads, but also before CDs or even audio cassettes. The irony is that the vinyl revolution is being led by teenage consumers who are prepared to stand in line for the latest 45 rpm single or 331/3rpm LP (long-playing record) in much the same way that their parents, or in some cases their grandparents, did.

According to Rob Campkin, the head of Music at Virgin Megastores, vinyl is now outselling CDs when it comes to the latest records.

“Up to 70% of sales of new releases are vinyl. The fans of popular new rock bands like Arctic Monkeys and The Raconteurs prefer vinyl to CD,” said Campkin. “When the Raconteurs’ latest single was released, 80% of high-street sales were for seven-inch vinyl and only 20% were for CDs.”

“We are not just talking about vinyl singles but also about albums – the format is just continuing to grow,” said HMV spokesman Gennaro Castaldo.

The trend is born out by figures from record industry body, the British Phonographic Industry (BPI). According to the BPI’s findings, vinyl records are a technology that has come back from the brink of extinction to take the industry by storm. Between 2001 and 2005, annual sales of vinyl single in the UK rose sixfold to over 1m, accounting for 14.7% of all physical singles sales in 2005, up from 12.2% in 2004. The industry expects vinyl figures for the current year to be even more dramatic.

The vinyl revolution has caught many of the big music labels napping. It is the smaller independent labels who have been able to snap up successful new bands. This has left big players in the industry, such as EMI, scratching their heads and wondering why teenagers are embracing a technology the music industry had dismissed as outdated and obsolete before most of them were born.

Record labels like EMI are finding themselves losing the next generation of music stars to upstart labels like Domino Records, which handles hit bands Franz Ferdinand and Arctic Monkeys, and Rough Trade, which handles The Strokes and rock music’s latest human disaster area, Pete Doherty.

According to Virgin’s Campkin, the smaller independents have one key advantage over the larger labels as far as the artists are concerned.

“The independent labels will release material on vinyl where the more established are more reluctant to do this,” said Campkin.

One reason for this situation is believed to be that the mainstream music industry has forsaken vinyl to the extent that there is now no big vinyl processing plant in the UK. This means that the discs must be pressed offshore and that a large number of new vinyl recordings are limited editions that quickly become collectors’ items. This type of operation, where limited pressings are carried out by factories in other countries, is better suited to the independent labels than to the more established players.

Virgin also reports a trend where fans will buy the CD when it is released and will wait weeks or months until the vinyl release before buying that as well. Some vinyl albums, such as the last White Stripes release, continue to sell consistently for months.

In addition to the new releases, retailers Virgin and HMV report a growing demand for classic pop records on vinyl from artists such as The Rolling Stones and Bob Dylan. Market research has shown that these new releases of older material are often being bought by younger customers, just as older “baby boomers” are increasingly augmenting their collections with LPs from modern artists such as the White Stripes.

“The original baby boomers, who are now in their fifties, are not only buying classic pop records by the Beatles or the Stones but are also adding new artists from the independent labels to their collections,’ said HMV’s Castaldo.

According to Virgin’s Campkin, one major reason for the renewed popularity of vinyl is its collectability, which operates on two levels. On one level, collectability means seeing the value of a 99 pence (E1.43, $1.73) single CD increases 50-fold in a single year.

“The first 7-inch single release from Arctic Monkeys, which came out a year ago, is now selling on eBay for £50-£60,” said Campkin.

He added that the second sort of collectability is the desire to own a record collection of one’s own.

“Vinyl is far more iconic in this respect,” said Campkin. “The record sleeve offers the consumer art work as well as information about the performers and song lyrics.”

Some well-known music figures believe that the industry did itself irreparable damage when it switched to CDs 20 years ago.

Roger Daltrey, lead singer of 1960s supergroup The Who, said in a recent interview: “The record labels sold everybody a white elephant with the CD. They pushed it over as being this wonderful musical formula that you can play forever that sounds better and is scratch proof. None of it was true; CDs do not sound as good as vinyl and they last for five minutes.”

Like other artists of his generation, Daltrey believes that pop music generally sounds better on vinyl as so much of it was originally developed to be played on the vinyl format rather than on digital equipment. Vinyl enthusiasts say that the bass and vocals on most songs cannot be accurately reproduced on a compressed digital format and that the music inevitably loses something by being reduced to what is essentially just a binary computer code.

Daltrey also believes that record sleeves are a key part of the attraction of vinyl.

“We threw away an art form that was so much more than the record,” said Daltrey. “The size of the cover was perfect for art work. Sometimes the covers were more important than the music. The more fingerprints you got on it, the more it was a part of you. With a CD, you start with a nice plastic box and end with a scratched plastic box; it has no character whatsoever.”

Campkin said: “I think the record sleeve is paramount. With a vinyl album you feel you have spent £10-£15 on something tangible that will last.”

Daltrey also believes that it was the switch to CDs that ultimately led to the music labels’ horrendous problems with digital music piracy.

“The problem with the CD is that if you can copy what is on it for nothing, as you now can, why would you want to buy it?”

Music retailers such as Virgin and HMV are also coming to the conclusion that consumers want a return to a more tangible format. They fear that the logical conclusion to the evolution of digital music is a world without high street music retailers where fans do everything over the internet and download all their music via a PC.

Virgin plans to opens a new 25,000 square-foot Virgin Megastore in Manchester’s Arndale shopping centre that it hopes will transform the way consumers perceive record stores. More space than ever will be dedicated to vinyl records and customers will have access to turntable and

listening booths in the same way that teenagers did in the 1950s and 1960s. The store will also offer “chill-out” areas with armchairs and sofas where customers can relax and listen to music.

Virgin plans to use the same formula in other stores in the hope that it will be able to persuade teenagers to see the megastores as social venues as much as music shops. The company hopes that the strategy will enable it to offer consumers enough added value to head off growing competition from cut-price supermarket CD offers and internet download services.

The music retailers do not believe that vinyl will ever entirely replace digital music formats. Instead, they predict that the same fans will often subscribe to both formats by downloading music for their MP3 players and PCs but will also wait for the vinyl release to add that to their permanent record collections.

Virgin believes that digital music downloads may not be as big a phenomenon as some the industry anticipates and will account for no more than 10% of the overall market by 2009 and that the appeal of vinyl will continue to grow to shoppers who want to take home something tangible and lasting.

Those industry players which do not become part of the vinyl revolution will see their market share decline as smaller nimbler players snap up the new artists and establish brand loyalty with an increasingly vinyl-hungry record buying public.
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Reply #1 posted 05/13/06 1:35pm

pulpfictionfan

I believe it.

There's something warm and comfortable about the pop and hiss of vinyl, not to mention the sleeve art.


Add to that the cost-prohibitive, or non-existance of some albums on the CD format and it makes sense.

Plus, my mutter tells me that records used to come with cool freebies.
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Reply #2 posted 05/13/06 1:52pm

CinisterCee

I believe it, especially for independent music. More so in the indie rock crowd.


I heard there was a bit of demand to have my CD Cinstrumentals pressed to vinyl. hmmm
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Reply #3 posted 05/13/06 2:28pm

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hmmm I like vinyl but I've never bought the argument that it sounds better. It doesn't make any sense. People are into it because vinyl albums look cool and the artwork is better on the vinyl packaging. Also, these garage bands are into it because it's retro. Daltrey is insane. neutral
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Reply #4 posted 05/13/06 2:38pm

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u2prnce said:

hmmm I like vinyl but I've never bought the argument that it sounds better. It doesn't make any sense. People are into it because vinyl albums look cool and the artwork is better on the vinyl packaging. Also, these garage bands are into it because it's retro. Daltrey is insane. neutral


That's the real reason. It's visual.
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Reply #5 posted 05/13/06 2:40pm

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CinisterCee said:

u2prnce said:

hmmm I like vinyl but I've never bought the argument that it sounds better. It doesn't make any sense. People are into it because vinyl albums look cool and the artwork is better on the vinyl packaging. Also, these garage bands are into it because it's retro. Daltrey is insane. neutral


That's the real reason. It's visual.


And that sir, is why I own vinyls for all my U2, Prince, and Oasis albums.
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Reply #6 posted 05/13/06 2:46pm

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Reply #7 posted 05/13/06 3:08pm

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TALK!!!!


biggrin I see Duke Ellington over there...


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Reply #8 posted 05/13/06 3:09pm

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Now that's a record stow'!!!

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Reply #9 posted 05/13/06 3:28pm

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I can say I believe it, since even I have recently began scanning the vinyl section of my store any gems they may have.

About two weeks ago, I went through my parents vinyl collection and found the likes of Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson, Zapp & Roger and Prince (which I had no idea we had for as long as I've lived) in there, amongst others.
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Reply #10 posted 05/13/06 3:34pm

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Why don't they just put CDs in 12" card sleeves?
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Reply #11 posted 05/13/06 3:36pm

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Justin1972UK said:

Why don't they just put CDs in 12" card sleeves?


ok it's so not purely visual. lol
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u2prnce said:

hmmm I like vinyl but I've never bought the argument that it sounds better. It doesn't make any sense. People are into it because vinyl albums look cool and the artwork is better on the vinyl packaging. Also, these garage bands are into it because it's retro. Daltrey is insane. neutral


I can listen to vinyl A LOT longer than I can listen to digital without getting ear fatigue. I've also played vinyl and digital versions of the same song at the same time, switching between them on my stereo and CLEAN vinyl almost always sounds better. shrug
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CinisterCee said:



I heard there was a bit of demand to have my CD Cinstrumentals pressed to vinyl. hmmm


nod I'd buy it.
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Reply #14 posted 05/13/06 4:51pm

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Stax said:

u2prnce said:

hmmm I like vinyl but I've never bought the argument that it sounds better. It doesn't make any sense. People are into it because vinyl albums look cool and the artwork is better on the vinyl packaging. Also, these garage bands are into it because it's retro. Daltrey is insane. neutral


I can listen to vinyl A LOT longer than I can listen to digital without getting ear fatigue. I've also played vinyl and digital versions of the same song at the same time, switching between them on my stereo and CLEAN vinyl almost always sounds better. shrug


hmmm I didn't think about listening fatigue. That's an interesting take on it.
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Reply #15 posted 05/13/06 4:57pm

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u2prnce said:

Stax said:



I can listen to vinyl A LOT longer than I can listen to digital without getting ear fatigue. I've also played vinyl and digital versions of the same song at the same time, switching between them on my stereo and CLEAN vinyl almost always sounds better. shrug


hmmm I didn't think about listening fatigue. That's an interesting take on it.


It's really makes a difference for me. Not sure why tho. The two things I don't like about vinyl are (1) the storage issue, and (2) keeping the records clean. Records take up a lot of space and sometimes I can't be bothered with the cleaning ritual and I just throw in a CD.
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UndercovaBrotha said:

I can say I believe it, since even I have recently began scanning the vinyl section of my store any gems they may have.

About two weeks ago, I went through my parents vinyl collection and found the likes of Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson, Zapp & Roger and Prince (which I had no idea we had for as long as I've lived) in there, amongst others.


cool....my parents vinyl collection is mostly oldies and 45's that are not in good condition. I would love to listen to them anyway. Anyone know where I can find a good turntable??
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Reply #17 posted 05/13/06 6:17pm

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It's certainly been my experience that a well-pressed vinyl album sounds better than a cd. Unfortunately I'm not enough of an audiophile to be able to describe all the techno-babble reasons why I think that's the case.

All I can say is that when I compare a well-pressed vinyl recording to a cd, the vinyl version has a rich, full and complete sound, whereas CDs still tend to sound flat and empty.

However, I don't know what the heck roger daltrey was talking about when he stated that "they last for five minutes". CDs aren't quite indestructable, but they're a lot more resilient than vinyl. I've yet to wear out a CD, but I've gone through three vinyl versions of Television's Marguee Moon
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Reply #18 posted 05/13/06 6:57pm

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to me CDs make the highs and lows stand out, no middle. Vinyl has a warm sound, some vinyl sounds better than digital.
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Reply #19 posted 05/13/06 7:08pm

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Maybe the digital is starting to take it's toll on a world of physical people. We get our music digitally, play games digitally and have friendships/relationships digitally.

Maybe physical people are starting to feel that they want something physical...especially from something they are passionate about.
Vinly will not take the place of the digital, it will simply be something to have/hold/collect.

I hope it proves to be more than a trend. But for the collector it must be a dream. Superspaceboy is going to be a happy space boy.
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Reply #20 posted 05/13/06 10:40pm

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LOVE vinyl. Will never get rid of my turntable!
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Reply #21 posted 05/14/06 7:37am

CinisterCee

I think the subtle soothing white noise of a needle passing through the grooves has something to do with that (think the sound of track one side one before the song starts on a vinyl album).

A lazer hitting digital pits can't replicate that.
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Reply #22 posted 05/14/06 8:50am

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u2prnce said:

hmmm I like vinyl but I've never bought the argument that it sounds better . It doesn't make any sense. People are into it because vinyl albums look cool and the artwork is better on the vinyl packaging. Also, these garage bands are into it because it's retro. Daltrey is insane. neutral


Read this and you'll understand ;


http://answers.google.com...?id=375592
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Reply #23 posted 05/14/06 9:30am

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The "vinyl sounds better" argument has a lot do with the sound of the stylus on wax ("it sounds warmer and/or richer") and not much to do with the actual sound quality of the recording and audio output. Because there is no way that vinyl compares to a properly-mastered CD. Personally, I only buy vinyl when there are mixes unavailable on CD, then I rip them to mp3 and never listen again. I will always prefer CD because I like my recordings pristine - but then, I grew up on digital formats. Also, I don't like buying shit over and over again, and tons of play is a lot kinder on a CD.
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Reply #24 posted 05/14/06 10:39am

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u2prnce said:

hmmm I like vinyl but I've never bought the argument that it sounds better. It doesn't make any sense. People are into it because vinyl albums look cool and the artwork is better on the vinyl packaging. Also, these garage bands are into it because it's retro. Daltrey is insane. neutral


Not exactly insane. SOME music does sound better. Some music does not. He was right with the things he said about CD practically killing vinyl. However, cd has it's merits as well and I have seen some artwork and cd packageing that holds up to the best vinyl art/packaging there is. Meaning folks got innovative.

I have now come to like vinyl and will contemplate getting music on it now. But usually if I already like it and have it on CD. For me it's the next step in musical purchasing. ANd normally I will not play the vinyl as much, but have it as a "nice thing"

I also agree with, for artwork..it IS superior. One reason why I'll never go all digital, is artwork. And that digital format is NEVER going to come even close to matching to sound with CD or vinyl.

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Reply #25 posted 05/14/06 10:42am

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Stax said:

u2prnce said:

hmmm I like vinyl but I've never bought the argument that it sounds better. It doesn't make any sense. People are into it because vinyl albums look cool and the artwork is better on the vinyl packaging. Also, these garage bands are into it because it's retro. Daltrey is insane. neutral


I can listen to vinyl A LOT longer than I can listen to digital without getting ear fatigue. I've also played vinyl and digital versions of the same song at the same time, switching between them on my stereo and CLEAN vinyl almost always sounds better. shrug


It has to be CLEAN though. Vinyl doesn't hold up as long as CD.

It also depends on what type of music we're talking about. I think Music created digitally sounds best on CD. ANd music created with instruments and such sound better on Vinyl.

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November said:

UndercovaBrotha said:

I can say I believe it, since even I have recently began scanning the vinyl section of my store any gems they may have.

About two weeks ago, I went through my parents vinyl collection and found the likes of Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson, Zapp & Roger and Prince (which I had no idea we had for as long as I've lived) in there, amongst others.


cool....my parents vinyl collection is mostly oldies and 45's that are not in good condition. I would love to listen to them anyway. Anyone know where I can find a good turntable??


Anywhere these days. I got mine at Best Buy.

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Reply #27 posted 05/14/06 10:48am

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anon said:

Maybe the digital is starting to take it's toll on a world of physical people. We get our music digitally, play games digitally and have friendships/relationships digitally.

Maybe physical people are starting to feel that they want something physical...especially from something they are passionate about.
Vinly will not take the place of the digital, it will simply be something to have/hold/collect.

I hope it proves to be more than a trend. But for the collector it must be a dream. Superspaceboy is going to be a happy space boy.


I mean might as WELL go to vinyl. Soon CD's might be obsolete with all of this digital madness (I hope not, because I think CD's can capture things Vinyl I know cannot). I think a lot for folks are like FUDGE IT! I'll go back to what it used to be and when they get a format that won't change in 10 years, let me know.

I do like the fact that Vinyl is making a comeback and many artists are embracing it again. Madonna's COnfessions on Pink Vinyl, Black Sweat Picture DIsk, Pet SHop Boys picture 45 that just came out.

SO I am a Happy Space Boy indeed these days.

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Reply #28 posted 05/14/06 10:52am

Justin1972UK

Make your own vinyl records...



for just $27,999.00 Australian Dollars! eek

http://basementgroupstore...1107190357

And then maybe play it back with a turntable which uses a laser instead of a stylus.



A snip at just... $15,000.00 U.S. Dollars!

http://www.elpj.com/index.html

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Reply #29 posted 05/14/06 11:03am

CinisterCee

As a buyer, I grew up on cassettes in the 80s, so CDs to me was a vast improvement on those in sound quality and durability. But now that I still buy CDs, it feels sooooo 90s.
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