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Printableworkingupahiyellasweat said: If Eddie were white he would not be so celebrated. In a way if Eminem was black, no one would really care.
I never said I don't like Eddie, but to a point he is slightly overrated. He has too songs: Maggot Brain and Super Stupid. Sure, he is great, but he is no guitar god. He just lacks the material or consisitency. For people to sit here and say he was better than Michael Hampton, and Blackbird is atrocious. Michael Hampton plays Maggot Brain better then Eddie ever did. Why do you keep saying that he only has two songs? This is my Eddie comp that I created on iTunes, it is no where near everything that Eddie played or appeared on.. and all of them are hits and no misses. California Dreamin' I Wanna Know If It's Good To You I'll Stay Red Hot Mama ( come on dude have you even heard this? ) Vital Juices Super Stupid Alice In My Fantasies Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow Hit It And Quit It Maggot Brain Friday Night, Agust The 14th Relic Delic ( Purple Hazel ) I Want You (She's So Heavy) No, It's Not ( Comin Around The Mountain ) I Call My Baby Pussycat Miss Lucifer's Love Shakey Ground ( w/Temptations ) Let Me Be ( vocals ) Eddie was a great singer as well If It Don't fit (don't force it) vocals From The Bottom Of My Soul - nothing against Mike Haptom but I never heard him record anything as moving as this or Maggot Brain Orbitron Attack Sacred To The Pain - this is wicked ( thanks Paligap ) If you had heard this you wouldn't be saying Eddie has only two good songs, I could be wrong but you strike me as someone that is barely familiar with the artist Good Thought, Bad Thoughts - one of my all time favorites Open Our Eyes ( 1969 version ) California Dreamin' (Reprise) and I didn't include the stuff with Ruth Copeland and the joints on Osmium... yet now go do your homework | |
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You're entitled to your opinion and I respect it. But I still think you're wrong. And as much as I love Hampton and Blackbyrd, they were replacements and playing Eddie's licks. Hampton KNEW he had to play the classics note for note (much like Bruce Kulick had to play "Acesims" for the old KISS songs). Yes they carried on the guitar torch for P-Funk and did their own things, but when it came to Eddie they knew what time it was.
And Meloh has already pointed out all the jams that Eddie has jammed on..and they're all phenonenal. Don't know what your nationality is or if you're really a diehard fan (and it's OK if you're not) but Eddie Hazel means a LOT more to some people and he's OUR guitar god (even if the magazines won't admit it). And if Eminem was black, he would still be popular. As much as I hate to admit it, E has skills and he's got great producers, beatmakers and has lyrical flow. That's something Vanilla Ice never really had. He'd still be a huge hip hop star even if he was Latin. | |
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I'm not sure what country you live in, but if Em were black he would no longer be rapping becasue his albums would have tanked. He ould be on surreal life, etc.
When people say Eddie Hazel, they will think of Maggot Brain and Super Stupid. Sure, die hards would mention several other tracks. However, when you get down to the meat of it, Eddie is known for Maggot Brain, and thats really it. I don't mean to hurt any feelings, but it is what it is. This can be said the same for Shuggie Otis, people tend to give brothas with guitars a pass. Was Eddie great, sometimes, but not enough to be considered a guitar god. Now, I would clearly prefer Michael Hampton over Eddie everyday of the week cept for Sundays. There are several other players far better then Eddie who are not getting even close to the praise Eddie has gotten. So be thankfull for that. [Edited 5/13/06 17:13pm] | |
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workingupahiyellasweat said: I'm not sure what country you live in, but if Em were black he would no longer be rapping becasue his albums would have tanked. He ould be on surreal life, etc.
When people say Eddie Hazel, they will think of Maggot Brain and Super Stupid. Sure, die hards would mention several other tracks. However, when you get down to the meat of it, Eddie is known for Maggot Brain, and thats really it. I don't mean to hurt any feelings, but it is what it is. This can be said the same for Shuggie Otis, people tend to give brothas with guitars a pass. Was Eddie great, sometimes, but not enough to be considered a guitar god. Now, I would clearly prefer Michael Hampton over Eddie everyday of the week cept for Sundays. There are several other players far better then Eddie who are not getting even close to the praise Eddie has gotten. So be thankfull for that. [Edited 5/13/06 17:13pm] If Funkadelic were white the album Standing On The Verge Of Getting It On would be hailed as a R&R classic right up there with Led Zeppelin 1 Black Sabbath and all that other shit. The fact that Eddie is mostly known for Maggot Brain has nothing to do with Eddie playing, P Funk is not known as a rock, act so rock fans don't seek out Funkadelic. When the general public thinks P Funk they think of the later stuff, Parliament, Flashlight etc.. Ask yourself this, why is it that Buddy Miles and Billy Cox were planning to do a tour with Eddie before he passed? These are two people that played with Jimi. Out of all the people they could jam with why Eddie? Why not Mike Hampton? | |
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Meloh9 said: workingupahiyellasweat said: I'm not sure what country you live in, but if Em were black he would no longer be rapping becasue his albums would have tanked. He ould be on surreal life, etc.
When people say Eddie Hazel, they will think of Maggot Brain and Super Stupid. Sure, die hards would mention several other tracks. However, when you get down to the meat of it, Eddie is known for Maggot Brain, and thats really it. I don't mean to hurt any feelings, but it is what it is. This can be said the same for Shuggie Otis, people tend to give brothas with guitars a pass. Was Eddie great, sometimes, but not enough to be considered a guitar god. Now, I would clearly prefer Michael Hampton over Eddie everyday of the week cept for Sundays. There are several other players far better then Eddie who are not getting even close to the praise Eddie has gotten. So be thankfull for that. [Edited 5/13/06 17:13pm] If Funkadelic were white the album Standing On The Verge Of Getting It On would be hailed as a R&R classic right up there with Led Zeppelin 1 Black Sabbath and all that other shit. The fact that Eddie is mostly known for Maggot Brain has nothing to do with Eddie playing, P Funk is not known as a rock, act so rock fans don't seek out Funkadelic. When the general public thinks P Funk they think of the later stuff, Parliament, Flashlight etc.. Ask yourself this, why is it that Buddy Miles and Billy Cox were planning to do a tour with Eddie before he passed? These are two people that played with Jimi. Out of all the people they could jam with why Eddie? Why not Mike Hampton? TALK!!! | |
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Here's a little more Buddy Guy from back in the day.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...uddy%20guy http://www.youtube.com/wa...dy%20miles [Edited 5/13/06 22:14pm] "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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Meloh9 said: workingupahiyellasweat said: I'm not sure what country you live in, but if Em were black he would no longer be rapping becasue his albums would have tanked. He ould be on surreal life, etc.
When people say Eddie Hazel, they will think of Maggot Brain and Super Stupid. Sure, die hards would mention several other tracks. However, when you get down to the meat of it, Eddie is known for Maggot Brain, and thats really it. I don't mean to hurt any feelings, but it is what it is. This can be said the same for Shuggie Otis, people tend to give brothas with guitars a pass. Was Eddie great, sometimes, but not enough to be considered a guitar god. Now, I would clearly prefer Michael Hampton over Eddie everyday of the week cept for Sundays. There are several other players far better then Eddie who are not getting even close to the praise Eddie has gotten. So be thankfull for that. [Edited 5/13/06 17:13pm] If Funkadelic were white the album Standing On The Verge Of Getting It On would be hailed as a R&R classic right up there with Led Zeppelin 1 Black Sabbath and all that other shit. The fact that Eddie is mostly known for Maggot Brain has nothing to do with Eddie playing, P Funk is not known as a rock, act so rock fans don't seek out Funkadelic. When the general public thinks P Funk they think of the later stuff, Parliament, Flashlight etc.. Ask yourself this, why is it that Buddy Miles and Billy Cox were planning to do a tour with Eddie before he passed? These are two people that played with Jimi. Out of all the people they could jam with why Eddie? Why not Mike Hampton? Buddy Miles and Cox were washed up and high on drugs then. | |
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workingupahiyellasweat said: Meloh9 said: If Funkadelic were white the album Standing On The Verge Of Getting It On would be hailed as a R&R classic right up there with Led Zeppelin 1 Black Sabbath and all that other shit. The fact that Eddie is mostly known for Maggot Brain has nothing to do with Eddie playing, P Funk is not known as a rock, act so rock fans don't seek out Funkadelic. When the general public thinks P Funk they think of the later stuff, Parliament, Flashlight etc.. Ask yourself this, why is it that Buddy Miles and Billy Cox were planning to do a tour with Eddie before he passed? These are two people that played with Jimi. Out of all the people they could jam with why Eddie? Why not Mike Hampton? Buddy Miles and Cox were washed up and high on drugs then. and this people... is the best answer he can come up with. | |
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Ever hear Jimi do "The Sky Is Crying?"
http://www.youtube.com/wa...ch=hendrix Notice the wall of FENDER amps and not Marshall. Pretty rare. "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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Never saw that before! Thanks Carl. Jimi was dabbling with Fender amps too back then.
Meloh you're 100% right about the "Standing On The Verge" LP. And for the record, Buddy Miles has had (and still has) his run ins with the law and drugs. Billy Cox has always been clean and sober since he stopped playing with Jimi. Yes there might be other unknown players that can play better than Eddie, but blame that on the media. Eddie (and the other P-Funk guitarists) never really got any props until the 90's when the white college crowds checked P-Funk out. And players like Flea, John Frusiciante, Jimi Hazel, Dr. Know and Adam Horowitz (Beasties) gave Eddie praise in all those 1990 guitar mags (after his death) so it was long overdue. You name me another "unknown" black funk-rock guitar hero who's LP's and CD's go for over $100.00 on E-Bay. I agree with you that "Maggot Brain" is Eddie's signature song, but he had other great jams besides that one that showed off his wide range of emotional playing. So there are no feelings hurt, but Meloh and I are speaking the truth. | |
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Meloh9 said: workingupahiyellasweat said: Buddy Miles and Cox were washed up and high on drugs then. and this people... is the best answer he can come up with. Becasue it was the truth. Stop catching emotions son. Thanks Spyz for understanding my point. Sure he has some "great jams", but none like Maggot Brain. I just wish he would have played Maggot Brain a lil more diffrent at times, at least in diff keys or something. It's ironic that his best songs are in E/E minor penta. [Edited 5/14/06 10:33am] [Edited 5/14/06 10:37am] | |
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workingupahiyellasweat said: Meloh9 said: and this people... is the best answer he can come up with. Becasue it was the truth. Stop catching emotions son. Thanks Spyz for understanding my point. Sure he has some "great jams", but none like Maggot Brain. I just wish he would have played Maggot Brain a lil more diffrent at times, at least in diff keys or something. It's ironic that his best songs are in E/E minor penta. [Edited 5/14/06 10:33am] [Edited 5/14/06 10:37am] E pentatonic minor is my favorite scale, some of the oldest and best solos are played in E/E penta and E pentatonic blues ( listen to Jimi ). I wasn't taking it personal, I just have a feeling that you haven't heard enough Eddie. | |
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Eddie Hazel DEMOLISHED "Maggot Brain."
Michael Hampton's "INTERPRETATION" was right on but Eddie put it down DEFINITELY! | |
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Eddie was brilliant!! I saw him play in 92'with P-Funk standing on his head, and what he played was good.
There is a solo of him playing somewhere on u tube and he jams it out from The Motor Booty Tour . The guy that thinks he was overrated is trippin. | |
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that clip of Jimi is awesome | |
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carlcranshaw said: Ever hear Jimi do "The Sky Is Crying?"
http://www.youtube.com/wa...ch=hendrix Notice the wall of FENDER amps and not Marshall. Pretty rare.  Hip!!! | |
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Eddie Hazel deserves all the props that he gets. There are certainly players that play with more flash and technique, but that doesn't necessarily make them better. A lot of players have more flash and technique than Hendrix had, but that doesn't make them "better" than Hendrix. As most players know, it's not all about technique; it also has a lot to do with imagination, emotion and feel. I personally think that players like Eddie can get more feeling across in a few notes than others could with a whole song full of blinding fast runs and effects pedals. ... " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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paligap said: ....
Eddie Hazel deserves all the props that he gets. There are certainly players that play with more flash and technique, but that doesn't necessarily make them better. A lot of players have more flash and technique than Hendrix had, but that doesn't make them "better" than Hendrix. As most players know, it's not all about technique; it also has a lot to do with imagination, emotion and feel. I personally think that players like Eddie can get more feeling across in a few notes than others could with a whole song full of blinding fast runs and effects pedals. Thank You ... | |
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Preach Pali, Preach!! | |
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paligap said: ....
Eddie Hazel deserves all the props that he gets. There are certainly players that play with more flash and technique, but that doesn't necessarily make them better. A lot of players have more flash and technique than Hendrix had, but that doesn't make them "better" than Hendrix. As most players know, it's not all about technique; it also has a lot to do with imagination, emotion and feel. I personally think that players like Eddie can get more feeling across in a few notes than others could with a whole song full of blinding fast runs and effects pedals. ... Damn...please don't fuck with pali! Dig, that's the beauty of opinions, everyone's entitled to one. If workingup can't get with Hazel, right on, more power to his ass, u know. There's a lot of cats today who believes Eddie Van Halen is hella overrated, u know. Whatever. Me, Hazel was the shit. Period. Was he the only cat who was the shit? Of course not. I've stated many times on here that I've never been crazy about Hampton's playing. Studio or live. I just don't dig his phrasing at all. Can he play? Hell yeah. Dwayne is the one who I have said many times on here that can burn 3 houses down with his playing. And he's hella versatile as well. Live, he's fantastic. Does he move me in the way Hazel does? Hell no. No comparison. I LOVE Hazel and he's definately a guitar heroe to me, just like Ace from KISS is. Frehley is the one who made me want to play guitar when I was a kid and I actually swithched from playing left handed to right because of Ace. This was before I got into Hendrix, and if I was hip to Jimi in that way when I was 10, I would STILL be playing left handed today. But, Ace beat Jimi to the punch with me, so right handed is how I play. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: paligap said: ....
Eddie Hazel deserves all the props that he gets. There are certainly players that play with more flash and technique, but that doesn't necessarily make them better. A lot of players have more flash and technique than Hendrix had, but that doesn't make them "better" than Hendrix. As most players know, it's not all about technique; it also has a lot to do with imagination, emotion and feel. I personally think that players like Eddie can get more feeling across in a few notes than others could with a whole song full of blinding fast runs and effects pedals. ... Damn...please don't fuck with pali! Dig, that's the beauty of opinions, everyone's entitled to one. If workingup can't get with Hazel, right on, more power to his ass, u know. There's a lot of cats today who believes Eddie Van Halen is hella overrated, u know. Whatever. Me, Hazel was the shit. Period. Was he the only cat who was the shit? Of course not. I've stated many times on here that I've never been crazy about Hampton's playing. Studio or live. I just don't dig his phrasing at all. Can he play? Hell yeah. Dwayne is the one who I have said many times on here that can burn 3 houses down with his playing. And he's hella versatile as well. Live, he's fantastic. Does he move me in the way Hazel does? Hell no. No comparison. I LOVE Hazel and he's definately a guitar heroe to me, just like Ace from KISS is. Frehley is the one who made me want to play guitar when I was a kid and I actually swithched from playing left handed to right because of Ace. This was before I got into Hendrix, and if I was hip to Jimi in that way when I was 10, I would STILL be playing left handed today. But, Ace beat Jimi to the punch with me, so right handed is how I play. I agree, bz---my opinion is only My opinion-- I know some people prefer more flash and technique, and That's Kool, too----I guess the only the only thing that matters is who moves YOU--in the end, it doesn't matter if others feel the same way. People like certain music because it reaches them, because of how it makes them feel, and that really has very little to do with how much technique an artist does or doesn't have....that's why when those lists and things come up, I always say, "these are my favorites"...because it's kinda pointless to say "who's a better artist" -- it's all relative.... ... [Edited 5/15/06 15:26pm] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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I agree Eddie is for those of us that value convincing emotion rather than flash and bravado. I myself am a emotional player.. I’m sure there are yard burner players out there that could rip me to shreds ( no pun intended ) However for me it's all about how much feeling you can put into that one note, not how many notes you can play all at one time, but that's just me. When it came to raw emotions there are few players that can convey emotion on that level like Eddie could.
It feels good to see Eddie get so much love on the org, he has always been underrated to me, not overrated | |
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Eddie from 1979 and a performance with TM and Bernie.
He had killer vibrato and great control. http://www.youtube.com/wa...ie%20hazel http://www.youtube.com/wa...ie%20hazel [Edited 5/15/06 15:55pm] "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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Thanks Carl. You always come up with the goods. I have that tape somewhere.
Thanks Pali and Brutha B for passing on the good word of Sir Hazel. Meloh and I weren't trying to gang up on workingup. I told him I respected his opinion and he's entitled to feel how he feels. I also used the "ACE/KISS" terms too. (lol). | |
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yeah I wasn't trying to gang up I just was trying to introduce him to some more stuff he might like from Eddie. | |
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And here's a little Ace if it hasn't ben posted already.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...tar%20solo And a young Shawn Lane from 79. http://www.youtube.com/wa...awn%20lane And..... a few moments with VH. http://www.youtube.com/wa...an%20halen [Edited 5/15/06 17:38pm] "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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SPYZFAN1 said: Thanks Carl. You always come up with the goods. I have that tape somewhere.
Thanks Pali and Brutha B for passing on the good word of Sir Hazel. Meloh and I weren't trying to gang up on workingup. I told him I respected his opinion and he's entitled to feel how he feels. I also used the "ACE/KISS" terms too. (lol). Oh I know u and Meloh weren't ganging up on him. I was agreeing with ya'll. I was basically saying "fuck em", u know? If he can't get with him, hell with him. That's all I was saying. I saw u use Ace, that's what prompted me to go down that road myself. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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funkpill said: Meloh9 said: If Funkadelic were white the album Standing On The Verge Of Getting It On would be hailed as a R&R classic right up there with Led Zeppelin 1 Black Sabbath and all that other shit. The fact that Eddie is mostly known for Maggot Brain has nothing to do with Eddie playing, P Funk is not known as a rock, act so rock fans don't seek out Funkadelic. When the general public thinks P Funk they think of the later stuff, Parliament, Flashlight etc.. Ask yourself this, why is it that Buddy Miles and Billy Cox were planning to do a tour with Eddie before he passed? These are two people that played with Jimi. Out of all the people they could jam with why Eddie? Why not Mike Hampton? TALK!!! Yes indeed! And uh, pill, I'm digging your Ginger Lynn. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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lol..Cool Brutha B. Since you and I come from the "Altar Of Ace" I knew you could get hip to where I was comin' from.  | |
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blackguitaristz said: funkpill said: TALK!!! Yes indeed! And uh, pill, I'm digging your Ginger Lynn. 
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