StoneCrib said:

I've been goofin around already all day, so I might as well goof around some more. I'm going to take a stab at it. I agree though that we can't really separate the person from the artist because one affects the other;however, for the sake of argument, I'm going to leave the child molestation allegations and the plastic surgery out of it at least.

I know his fans are going to jump on me, but I don't think that Michael could make a genuine comeback. It's as if he is stuck in time... so that's where his fixation on the past comes into play. I think Michael would be a little like Austin Powers... trying to come back after being so far removed. Plus Michael just doesn't seem to be a musician... more of a performer/vocalist???? That's where Prince, Sting, Bonnie Raitt.. all of those legends have the advantage over pure pop artists. They are first and foremost musicians. So for them, their success in their mind doesn't necessarily hinge on record sales where as for someone like Michael and apparently his fans, sales count for everything. Prince, Sting, Bonnie, Susan Tedeschi and more just derived this pleasure from the process and working with the band. It doesn't seem like Michael "gets into" that.

THIS IS PURE SPECULATION AND CONVERSATION. I don't know the guy. I'm just conversing.
[Edited 5/8/06 12:29pm]

StoneCrib said:

Believe me, that wasn't a genuine apology. So it wasn't even the first.

Isel said:

Isel, you need to stop being so defensive . Everything you said is true. You don't need to apologise.

Novabreaker said:

Good. Now I guess you can go on enjoying your "King of the Org" day, eh?

whoknows said:

Well ya know... I'm entering what I KNOW to be heated discussions. lol lol

Also I don't really post that much on this part of the forum. I usually post in the Pol./Rel section, so I am proceeding with caution. This is new territory for me.
[Edited 5/8/06 12:40pm]

Isel said:

Yeah, you seem to be intellectually a cut above some of the other posters here. Good to have someone with a sense of perspective around. I namechecked you on that Madge thread if you care to read it. I think I'll be staying away from those kind of threads in future as I was always feel like a grown up arguing with children.

StoneCrib said:

I'm far from being the most prolific poster on this site, but I've been here long enough to recognize a troublemaker that stands out. Prince.org is a relatively peaceful web community all and all, and compared to many other web communities slandering and name-calling is actually a very rare phenomenon here. Your posts have been less than sophisticated by their tone and content. Somebody will take you out on that and usually for a reason, so don't whine if people are criticizing your behaviour.

whoknows said:

Yeah... I just think people are very emotional when their music idols are criticized. It's nearly like attacking a member of the family because these artists affect us so personally--maybe have some significance to an event or events in our past. That's why I try to be very respectful of fans. I don't want to criticize an artist repeatedly within a discussion. I just want to make my point, whether or not anyone agrees with it. The same is true of my support of artists as well.

Novabreaker said:

Please, save your little "Oops, he got me good, I better try and get him back" post for someone who cares. All someone has to do is go back and read who fired the first shot and that, my "Org Regular" friend, would be you. Don't start any shit and you won't have to worry about getting it right back in your face. Simple as that.

You decided to go after someone and now you're upset that that person was able to bang back on you. Now, let it rest and leave it alone. We're donw with this.

Isel said:

Yeah, but MJ fans always seem to have to make it a point to show up and defend him as if he pays them to do so. MJ fans, by FAR, are the most temperamental of any fan.

Isel said:

So true. I have come to accept just as MJ as changed so much over the years so has his fanbase. The fanbase MJ had circa 79 is completely different to what he has now. The ones that I truely believe are delusional are those who believe that somehow or another he can do another "Thriller".

StoneCrib said:

yup,
this is the internet!
imagine in real life,i remember i insulted MJ's descion making at a Prince-MJ mixer in 03. swear i almost got my ass kicked by a bunch of geeks in black penny loafers.
Im all for standing up for your fav artist but come on man.
he's not the lord Michael Jackson
free speech isn't erradicated in Michael Jackson Land!

EmbattledWarrior said:

- You just made me spit out my cherry limeade drink from reading that!

Name one person in this thread that said he could outdo the sales of Thriller. You can't.

Name one person in this thread that said the only thing they care about are his sales. You can't.

I think I know who the delusional ones are

WildStyle said:

Yep, and that's exactly why you MJ folk will forver be "Still Waiting" for MJ to make that exciting far-fetched "Comeback!"

StoneCrib said:

So he has to outsell Thriller for any comeback to be a success?

Once again, I think I know who the delusional ones are in here

MJ fans what constitutes a legitimate comeback in your eyes ?

nurse said:

Good album, good videos (unlike the crap from Invincible), some good performances (maybe a tour). That would be a great comeback IMO.

WildStyle said:

How is it that only one video came from Invincible?

JackieBlue said:

There were actually 2, but I guess Cry doesn't really count. The answer is basically that MJ was feuding with Sony at the time.

WildStyle said:

If you can show me where ANYONE said that, you win. Deal?

StoneCrib said:

I assumed that's what you meant in the post I quoted.

Totally forgot about Cry.

WildStyle said:

Well, you know what they say about those that ASSume?

StoneCrib said:

What did you mean then?

WildStyle said:

You don't think that a good album would be enough? This is asking for alot even for MJ .

WildStyle said:

Which quote? This one?

:

It's self-explanatory.
[Edited 5/8/06 20:38pm]

StoneCrib said:

Well obviously not. I'm looking at what I said and what you said afterwards and the only thing I can come up with is that you were insinuating that he has to outsell Thriller in order for any comeback to be successful. If that's not what you meant then I honestly have no idea what you were talking about.

WildStyle said:

I was merely saying how some of you MJ fans think he's gonna return to the "Thriller" days and rule the music world and it will NEVER happen ever again. That's all I was saying.

StoneCrib said:

I don't remember anyone saying that. I certainly didn't. Nobody is going to get to that level ever again.