speeddemon said:

Yeah, he influenced a generation of pedophiles all around the world. I'm sure YOU are very proud of that.

jn2 said:

AlexdeParis said:

Let's be real here - After Thriller, he became more fluff than substance as he kept repeatedly trying to outdo Thriller and the more he tried the more insane he became and that's why he's where he is now - Hiding in middle east because of his sick affinity for little boys.

StoneCrib said:

The perfect words again StoneCrib, .

nurse said:

- Hey, I only call 'em how I see 'em, Nursey. You know me. There are some "fans" of his that are very ok with living in the denial that IS Michael Jackson and his issues, and that to me is very sad.

EmbattledWarrior said:[quote]

StoneCrib said:

You knocked it out of the ball park with this one homie...I will even go a step further and say the problem is not that MJ is still calling himself the King Of pop....The problem is the "KOP" title itself....It's inherently plastic; it's a title that says "you should judge my success strictly on album sales and not on qaulity or artistic merit" To me he can never make a heartfelt "Michael Jackson" if he continues to live up to his gaudy KOP title...Everything has to be obnoxiously huge with Mike...Somewhere MJ's voice has been trampled by the image...The man should go back to the basics...

murph said:[quote]

EmbattledWarrior said:

AlexdeParis said:

And there in lies the problem...who cares if a mediocre album sold 7 or 8 million worldwide...it's still a mediocre album...Rather than clinging to album sales MJ needs to just make an album on his own terms...

speeddemon said:

sadly i believe he did that to further his own fame...
Jackson made a habit making people aware of his "charitable" contributions
When it comes to this topic its matter of Charity Vs Justice.
When it comes to Justice, Jackson never got anything doe politically or sociially. Sure he took a few pictures with african orphans but...
C'mon... It was only to further his own fame, which is what he really cares about

EmbattledWarrior said:

Maybe you're right, but sadly u don't question it on the Beatles as well.

StoneCrib said:

[Flame snip - luv4u]

speeddemon said:

Wow. More corny and weak material. Damn shame. Watch Chapelle's Show, you can learn a lot from him on comedy.

Then again, I just clicked on your progile and saw the threads you post in. Unbelievable. It speaks VOLUMES as to why you're in cult...err...love with MJ. Damn shame.
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StoneCrib said:

It is very sad-the whole situation with MJ, but I'm happy that you tell the truth-it's always best that way . Keep it real StoneCrib.

mj is over.

sorry ya'll....michael will only live on his past from now on. He's a joke that he started...but the punch line just isn't funny.

speeddemon said:

true but
the beatles have gone to jail for what they believed in....

MJ is damaged now and a lot of it is self-inflicted. I don't think he will make a comeback and I am well aware of the ridicule he gets just as much as I am aware of the "fans" who live in denial believing MJ can be bigger than ever if he comes back.

Having said that MJ early solo work and the work he did with the Jacksons/J5 are some of the best work out there IMO and have been an inspiration and influence to future generations, whether people like it or not.

I inspite of MJ present image problem continue to admire and appreciate MJ early stuff. Put it this way give me J5 any day over the Beatles...

whatsgoingon said:

Yeah I think The Beatles are kind of over-rated.

I'm not a Michael Jackson fan, but I have compassion for him. From my observation, I just don't think Michael ever learned to be anything else but Michael Jackson--the star. He might be learning now, but there just seems to be a lot of anger going on with him. I just feel like he has be so persecuted for being eccentric and of course the pedophilia accusations...well he just doesn't see any of that has his problem because after all he's IS Michael Jackson. I don't think he has the capacity to look at himself and how he may have contributed to his own problems. He just feels persecuted. I don't think Michael will ever change. There are people who DON'T WANT him to change because they get a lot in return for inflating that ego.

As far as the allegations, I can't even make a determination as to whether they were true or not because SO MANY people would take advantage of Michael's ego-- telling him what he wants to hear--then turn on him for profit. I don't know. There have been people accused of pedophilia who have turned-out to be innocent... INNOCENT...falsely accused.

I don't know. He might be able to make a music comeback. But I think he has far worse problems than his music career.

Isel said:

That is the most insightful thing I've read on the org in along time about Michael coming from soneone who isn't a fan. Thanks for adding your thoughts. They were a nice change of pace from the usual non Michael fans.

nurse said:

Thanks, Nursey. Much appreciated.

Once again he should make music not about making a come back
he should just make music cause thats what he enjoys doing

EmbattledWarrior said:

He SHOULD..you are right. But we all know Michael (lovers and haters) when he does something, he wants it to be an "event."

imo, to make a comeback in simple just drop all these prodcers and get in the studio yourself and write produce them all yourself. Some of the most brilliant work he's done, is the work he's done by himself. if he wants to work w/ someone pick someoboday you like, someone acutally listen to or adimre. like he used to with people like Quincy Jones. Stop using Rondey Jerkins and Kayne West cuz he knows damn well he doesnt listen to there music. he needs to get over selling recoreds i thought he might have for a bit there but now he's working with all these young untalted people again. the funny thing is if he does track by himself or work with people he's likes that have genius talents like Quincy Jones and Barry Gibb or hell even Prince. Then album wil be hugely sucessfull and sell millions and millions of copys because the music will be GREAT!

StoneCrib said:

I'm always real. I happen to love Bad, Dangerous, and most of Michael's work since then. There will never be another Thriller (like Prince will never have another Purple Rain), but there's been a lot of great music nevertheless.

If Michael Jackson isn't the King of Pop, then who is?

Krytonite said:

there are plenty of artist deserving of that title
but its also a matter of preference
I like mj's music but i have never thought of him as a king
thats a self righteous thought

in truth there is none
the title is an illusion

who ever came up with pop royalty needs to be shot
the stigma is ruining the very facet of popular music.
it creates idols and legends of normal people.

a Music Monarchy
christ...
what'll be next...

No, I don't think he will ever make a genuine comeback.

After he became obsessed with trying to outsell Thriller and his perfectionism started tainting his work, I lost interest. Bad & Dangerous & History Disc 2 are OK records and nothing more. Invincible is absolute shit.

EmbattledWarrior said:

Ok.

How do you feel about Elvis being called The King of Rock n Roll?

Krytonite said:

He most certainly is NOT!
great artist

that title belongs to Chuck Berry
but again its a matter of preference...

and yah that title is an illusion as well

Marrk said:

Because the family maintained all along that they wouldnt' file one because they were not out to get money from him...as we can see now, that is true.

Of course, there's little point in suing someone who can't pay his employees and already has at least one other civil suit pending against him.