whoknows said:

CHECK ON IT???? ---a travesty of a song indeed!!!!! Wheras 2 years ago she could do very little wrong in my book, that song (and VIDEO ) just smashed it all to pieces for me where Bouncy is concerned....

badujunkie said:

She has a great voice. I don't get the hate for real. I saw a clip of her singing with En Vogue and I was impressed sorta


and if we dog rappers for calling women bitches, let's not do it here. There's nothing about Kelly's personality that would deem her to be a "bitch".
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Anx said:

Janis Joplin was the Mary J Blige of her time. Noisy wailing and tortured facial expressions may impress you as passionate, but there are some who can do that and still have a certain elegance about them(think Gladys Knight, early Aretha) and also stay in key. Janis's screeching struck me as not far off from the "performance art"( basically mindless gimmicks for elitists) of Yoko Ono. All that primal scream bollocks. Maybe on TV shows she might have been a bit more controlled, but in festivals she put on a freak show for stoned drop outs.

You're right that people tend to cherry pick from the limited selection offered them by the mass media. Most people don't have the time, inclination, or awareness to look for something that might have more meaning for them. The result is that Joe Public is simply not qualified to make valid judgements about music, because their frame of reference is too narrow, but I can only repeat, I think Kelly's songs are good. If I was 14 I could see myself loving that stuff, and there's nothing wrong with that.

badujunkie said:

Using a sample is about as easy for a producer as plagiarising an essay from the internet is for a student. Make a few minor changes, write some shitty new lyrics, dress it up and call it something new. Requires NO TALENT, NO EFFORT. Just get sample clearance and voila! You're not a producer, so why you bothering?

And, yeah, Hootie was in the Top 20 for so long but so were The Beatles - your point? At least they wrote & played their own shit, which is more than I can say for anyone using a sample. I have more artistic respect for Hootie and Enya than, say, Rihanna, even though I won't listen to any of 'em.
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badujunkie said:

Interesting you should mention these three singers. As much as I appreciate Sheryl's talent, I'd rather listen to either Kelly or Michelle -- and of the three, I prefer Kelly's songs.

Then again, I actually like Kelly's music and voice...

We got a bunch of haters in the house:


Clarkson's music aside, she's in possession of a wonderful singing talent. By no means is she going to set the world on fire but she's got great control, she's emotive, she's got power, and she's got solid technique. What more could you want from a trained singer?


The only reason why some could consider her "loud" is because most productions these day's are plain "louder." Compare an album from a decade ago to today's standards - you'll see what I'm saying.

Looks like we got some haters in the house!


Clarkson's music aside - she's in possession of a wonderful singing talent. By no means is she going to set the world on fire with her pipes but what more could you ask from any trained singer? She's got great control, she's emotive, she's got power and her technique is solid.


The only reason why I can fathom someone considering her "too loud" is because music recordings themselves are louder. Compare a decade old record to today's standards - you'll see what I'm saying.

Anx said:

Oooh oooh I like OLN too!!


You don't need no psy-chi-a-try
Come on baby you can talk to me
Cuddle up on the couch with me
We can talk all night for free'ee

You don't need to be hyp-no-tized
Lay down here and looka in my eyes
Cuddle up on the couch with me
We can talk all niiiiite for freeeee!!!
yea yea, yea yeeaaaaa
Talk to me'eeeee ooh wait I don't think that's an Olivia Newton John song

nammie said:

oh yes it is....it's from TOTALLY HOT!

todd305 said:

Sheryl Crow's had about 4 good songs. The rest has been so forgettable it's untrue. Her career has benefited from the absence of any mainstream female singer songwriters in the last 20 years. Compared to the JJs and Madges she seems deeper to people who have never heard Joni, Bobbie Gentry, etc. It's the same with Alicia Keys. Good looking woman plays instrument. Wow! Genius! Having said that, I certainly wouldn't kick her out of bed. Also, she's got a great voice. It's just small things like personality she lacks.

VoicesCarry said:

Yeah, but with Kelly I hear someone who works hard, someone who goes into the studio and gives it her all. With the majority of her contemporaries, I hear half-drunk hacks who enter the studio, warble a bunch of off-key pablum, and mumble, "Let's just fix that with overdubs and studio trickery."

And Kelly writes some of her own songs. Now, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but it's something...

(Note, I don't have any of Kelly's albums, so I'm not calling myself a "fan," but I do find her refreshing as she seems to display at least an iota of integrity - which is more than I can say for the rest of today's top 40.)
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Ok...the only thing I will complain about as far as Ms. KC is concerned is "Walkaway", "Miss Independent" & "Because of You" I cant stand those songs. Otherwise, "BTHE" & "SYBG". I really think she hs a powerful voice but she isnt using it to it's capacity. I think all that yelling the record company has her doing is going to help her develop pollups on her vocAL CORDS IF SHE ISNT CAREFUL and I will take her over most rap groups, and pop acts we have heard in the past. Honestly, Kelly Clarkson is on her way to becoming a permanent fixture in the music game. Apparently, she must be complying with stuff more than Ruben, Fantasia & *whats the country girl who won...OMG I voted for her LoL*. She's the most heard AI on radio nowadays, although the others viewed off into gospel albums, book writing and country song chart topping areas.

Rhondab said:

i meant bitch in the sense that her songs grate on my nerves like a bitch...i'm not objectifying her as a woman. just as i might say i'm sick of that piece of shit Usher...i don't really mean he's a piece of shit as a person, but his music is shitty. that's all. and i don't dog rappers for using the term bitch, it's all about context.

jthad1129 said:

Charlay,Lil Peanut, Collipark? damn I'm so out of touch with shit on the radio
collipark? is that supposed to be "college park"? are they from ATL? I like some of T.I's stuff though

CinisterCee said:

I was flippin' through the channels and saw her performing live *cringe* She was awful.....she relied mainly on a backing track I hate when these new singers do that. I guess they're not really singers

minneapolisgenius said:

what about lil John Denver?

she's pretty much a litmus for fucking idiots... those who like her.

JPW said:

sorry maybe that's a bit harsh, but it totally saddens me, the state of music today, considering this is what pays millions of dollars and my musical ability and songs get me zero $ or recognition.

JPW said:

A bit harsh, huh?

My point is that it's a start towards improving the state of the industry today. No, I don't consider her supremely talented or much of a real artist, but at least she is singing something "original". If there were more people like her, maybe they could revolt.
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I'll repeat what I said on the "Paris Gets Booted" thread, Fantasia IS successful. 4 hit R&B singles and a double-plat+ album! Just because she's not recognized by the white audience means nothing.

As for Kelly, she has a good voice and some really catchy tunes and I would never dog her but truth be told the songs are good for what they are (little girl tunes). But pop is pop and good pop is good, right?

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VoicesCarry said:

Theres always been good pop around. Its just that the production of icky drum machines and keyboards are out, otherwise u'd all hate it.

Real instruments make pop songs alot less corny perhaps i dont know?
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VoicesCarry said:

Well if you really believe that...



"Then you ARE lost, Anakin!"

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. Bring back aaron carter i'd say.
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JPW said:

You just want to be the EvilWhiteMale of the Kelly Clarkson thread, don't you

VoicesCarry said:

never compare him to me again, please!

but whatever, people dig what they dig. i once kinda liked "my humps" for a couple of days.

This thread says alot about our sensibilities as a musical community. I'm sure she'a a nice young lady and all but.....

it seems like the people in the spotlight today are the most boring people ever.

lilgish said:

ex-fucking-actly!

i like you.

lilgish said:

I don't disagree. But given the choice of taking a singer who sings original material over someone who uses a sample and a backing vocal. That's what the issue boils down to. The industry could use more of the former. I can't hate on her.

minneapolisgenius said:

you would, wouldn't you..?

I'm not really fond of Kelly Clarkson,but I love Joss Stone