so the tread gets locked

people are allowed to use what ever Avatar they would like

make any other racialized post about non-whites

yet they are not locked or images provided with out accurate information are allowed, comments that would make the KKK happy are allowed, but not deleted?

Poor baby! Get a fuckin life and stop your damn whining.

this site may be bad at lot of things, but I always thought that it was pretty good about the treatment of African Americans. Am I misreading your original statement?

here we go again...

mrchristian said:

exactly
responses will further prove
the point

korovyov said:

I think the point is that it's deemed OK for IrishEcho to make racial statemnt with a P.Org approved avatar of Malcolm X but when this is challenged the thread is locked.

If the justification is "free speech" then surely these actions are insensitive right?

I guess Nat has never met the people that run this site...

get that chip off your shoulder and grow up.


it's so boring already.

Essence said:

Where is this post J...I mean Irish Echoe wrote?

rdhull said:

It's the combination of his avatar and signature. You missed it?

Basically it's about the right of reply if that's allowed to pass...

I don't agree or disagree, but I'm a little bothered about the responses to this very post like;

"Stop your whining"
"Here we go again"

I don't know, maybe that's the insensitivity he's talking about. But I've learned to ignore and/or shake my head at a few individuals on this site. I suggest you do the same "Nat Turner"

Blue Cashmere
"Don't Play Me"

TheBluePrince said:

Your measured, thoughtful and sensitive response here doesn't seem a world away from the truth of the matter.

I wonder if Nat Turner & Milesisalive are not one.

There is nothing at all racist about my avatar or the accompanying text. Any reasonable-minded individual can see that it merely asks a question. It reads "any man who condemns Abraham Lincoln as a racist on the basis of one quote had better be prepared to do the same for the so-called heroes of their own race." How exactly, is that offensive? It's pointing out the strong potential for hypocrisy. Do you even know who I'm actually addressing? I'm certainly not alone in the opinion that there is quite a bit of racist content on TRC & misguided views of history on the song Avalanche (an opinion that's certainly open to interpretation), and the particular avatar of Malcolm X was chosen to associate what's written in my signature with a readily visual example of a black man who was revered by many, yet did certainly did not lead an unblemished or angelic life. No different from Abraham Lincoln, a man with both very good & very bad points. Perhaps you (& Prince) need to be reminded that whatever Lincoln's personal character flaws may have been, he was a product of his time. He was a politician. And he was human. You forget that without him, regardless of his personal beliefs, he still produced the Emancipation Proclamation. He still commanded the armies that fought for the freedom of blacks in the Civil War. And he still died because of what he accomplished for your people. On the other hand, for much of his life, Malcolm Xwas filled with hate toward white people (a far more dangerous position than Lincoln's unfortunate apathy), and whether or not his opinions may have changed before he died, he was still gunned down by members of his own race - one time allies - hardly a mark of having achieved much in terms of unifying the races.

So many of you are so eager to swallow anything that Prince spews as if it were gospel, ignoring facts in favor of supporting your "hero." If you can't handle something as simple as a picture on a web page, I suggest you take the cork out of your collective posterior & loosen up.

Not that it matters...but Lincoln was also shot by people of his own race as well.

The comparison between Lincoln and Malcolm X I think is valid in some sense because they both probably had "racist" views to some degree. The point being...that you'd probably never hear Prince criticize Malcolm X/Farahkhan, etc. for making inflammatory remarks against white people. He obviously has an agenda.

Still, I guess the counter would be that Malcolm X's views were a response or reaction to a racist society that he grew up in whereas Lincoln's racist views were grounded in pure ignorance. I don't like the excuse that "well Lincoln was a product of his time...where white people knew no better."
[This message was edited Fri Jul 12 11:55:32 PDT 2002 by divo02]

jnoel said:

I doubt it very seriously. Nat Turner comes across sharper than Milesisalive ever does.

I don't know what this is about, but if it's about KellyEchoMcClure's signature, he's strictly bush league.

Since the Org is in limbo with regard to the changes they're making, I give the administraters the benefit of the doubt. They say there are changes ahead. And since there are only a few who work on the site, and have real jobs elsewhere, it's going to take some time.

divo02 said:

Yeah, it doesn't matter. He was shot by someone sympathetic to the Southern Confederacy. THE BAD GUYS. Not by one of his former bowtied flankers.

Lincoln can also be viewed to have grown up in a racist society. After all, it was in his society that blacks were viewed as inferior enough to whites to be bought & sold like animals. That's a long way from not being able to sit & eat a turkey sandwich. And while you still have a long way to go for complete equality, thanks to Lincoln, you took quite a step forward. No rational person would ignore that just because of a Prince song. Then again, there's a shortage of rational people here.

divo02 said:

yeah, because he freed the slaves

IrishEchoe the point remains that you use this IE alias to spout your views which are quite twisted for someone as yourself..yes I know who you really are..and boy...that country sure did a number on you. Now before you try and school me on how U.S. minority groups are indoctrinated on thinking the white man is the epitome for all the ills and is the devil incarnate let me explain this: it is ok some of the views you have and some of them may be sensible etc...but your agenda and thoughts that you have posted here and abroad(u know where) spoke of self hatered, racism etc etc..Need I remind you of how freely for 3 years you bandied about the N word? I dont want to go into details but do not trip and try to fool these people on the org who do not know any better to how ya rallly feeel and whom you really are.I see it may be a reason that you flee here under this name, so u can say certain things with extreme prejudice Man u need help seriously.
[This message was edited Fri Jul 12 12:43:31 PDT 2002 by rdhull]

BTW... negroe please--you aint Irish...you may WANT to be .
[This message was edited Fri Jul 12 12:41:47 PDT 2002 by rdhull]

rdhull said:

r u talking about sfarrel?

I think he means I'm a black man unhappy with myself. Someone had that theory anyway. I've been here far less than 3 years at any rate.
[This message was edited Fri Jul 12 12:59:15 PDT 2002 by IrishEcho]

IrishEcho said:

I never expressed that you were unhappy with yourself. Thats the trippy part...you think your way of thinking is ok. And Im not talking about the way of thiinking when you deconsructing racial wrongs from all sides...Im talking about the deragatory stuff that you sometimes spew and have spewed and continue to spew under the guise of this IrishEchoe alias instead of the name everyone knows you by...and since the other place aint havin it anymore you do it here under "another" name.But to each his own.Im so smart
[This message was edited Fri Jul 12 13:07:26 PDT 2002 by rdhull]

How can a web site be insensitive to African Americans?
People can be, but a web site can't!
It seems that some of you will try anything to start an arguement.
I'll tell you something, that isn't love 4 one another.
If you call yourself a "fam"then you have to get past this separation of the races.
"Cut me, cut you and both the blood is red."

rdhull said:

SPILL RD, SPILL!!! Who is it, an ex-amper??

chile said:

yup

..so irishecho claims he/she isn't a racist..and yet he/she has never answered this simple question...
do you believe african americans are equal to you in every way?

i am very curious to see what your answer is irish..for once i'd be interested in reading a reply from you...

no one is equal to me

surly it would take an unversed
e-revolutionary to comapre Malcolm X and Abe Lincoln
it is the lesser known of both in which people
ignore
this site is highly insensitive because the moderators do nothing
those that do nothing
contribute to the problem
and I dont care if you pillage black wombs
cause you can get a mullato dick in your mouth
for all I care
irish echo you aint shit yo daddy aint shit yo momma aint shit yo seeds aint shit and I will slap you so hard yo kids
will end up physically challenged
u sound like a nigga that thank he a cracka
u phony and u dont event believe in half the bullshit U write
u can never compare a man that allowed slavery to a man that never supported a system of slavery
bitch
u have no sense of history and dont have a clue of cultural context in regards to the 60's
boy so one little line from a song by a reborn African American muscian gets U white pussies (or niggas that thank the crackas, bitches who got a degree in Negrology aka im getting fucked, or married to an African American-who second hand speak) all bent out of shape
u white pussies wanna stop the world
suck a sterotypical black big dick

rio said:

"he" will not answer you...and for the record "he" WAS KellyAnne. I wasnt on the org enough back then to figure it out but after one week here in oonversation with him and seeing his posts ,or paying attention to them it wasnt that hard to figure out. He really is a one trick pony. My view on this is anyone is allowed to feel how they do..its their right to hate whomeever..screw the political correctness of it all...but to spread certain propoganda is b.s...and IrishEchoe will say he is counterpoiinting what blacks etc. say against certain people, the hypocrisy etc of the themes etc..but the fact remains that he spouts and spouted these sentiments due to his own feelings of hatred and prejucice..dont be fooled in thnkining that he means to be fair and impartial and "thoughtful" . Using his own warped sense of hatred towards certain people and things and putting it in a nice shiny wrapper of well written responses to have certain fools take heed is his org calling card...which is dangerous. I dont care what anyone thinks. And to prove that I feel my opinion is correct, you notice the fella changed that Malcolm Avatar. P.s. I dont care what he doe s etc..just that he knows some know who he is and what hes up to. I suspect we will get a kinder ..gentler Irish Echoe
[This message was edited Fri Jul 12 14:53:51 PDT 2002 by rdhull]