Who do you like? Malmsteen? Macalpine?

Uli Roth & Ritchie Blackmore

Chris Caffery

thebige said:

It's all about Rising.

coolcat

It's all about Far Beyond The Sun.

lilgish said:

Personally I prefer Deep Purple era Ritchie, but to each his own

Vinnie Moore is cool.

Greg Howe - Amazing player with technique and soul. Also a great guy. Used to hang with him a lot back in the early 90's. Probably my fave out of all the "Varney" camp.

Paul Gilbert - Great technique and phrasing. Also a cool guy.

Uli Jon Roth - Classical meets Jimi. "Virgin Killer" and "Sails Of Charon" is classic.

It's not really common to use electric guitars in Neo-classical music actually. Get your genre names right!
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Jason Becker....particularly his 1988 CD "Perpetual Burn."

gcu1

coolcat
Neo-classical guitar anyone?

Who do you like? Malmsteen? Macalpine?

For all his talent, yngwie is a bit of a pain in the ass.

Nobody has mentioned Marty Friedman. I'm really enjoying his "Music for Speeding" album.

Novabreaker said:

Sorry

Is Neo-classical rock, or neo-classical metal alright?

I guess Neo-classical Metal sounds about right, but I think some metalheads in the 90s just heard the term used in its original context and thought they could just as well use it to describe some metal bands that have orchestral music influences, without knowing what kind of music the term really stood for.

"Neo-classical", in today's terms, is a special branch of dark ambient, post-industrial and experimental electronics genre, created with orchestral samples, tribal drumming etc. Usually lifted straight from classical recordings or done with synthesizer patches. The aim is often to create a blend of convincing orchestral sounding material with intentionally clumsy and synthetic sounding parts. And basically anthing with "neo" attached to a genre name these days, it stands for a subgenre of gothic music.

And of course, to a certain degree some of the more traditional classical music from the middle of the last Century was called "neo-classical". As well as some other branches of art as well.

jacktheimprovident said:

I like Deep Purple Ritchie but was more blues oriented early on. His stuff with Rainbow is tops imo. I'm not up on his current stuff and the whole middle ages motif.
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gcu1 said:

I don't have that. but I did get this one.



really didn't like it.

lilgish said:

check out Savatage, I'm not sure how many fans that have. Gutter Ballet and Streets: A Rock Opera are probably their deepest forays into classical. Chris is also in TSO although I love their early metal stuff http://www.trans-siberian...intro.html

coolcat said:

Both of those cats can burn. Gotta give credit to Blackmore. Personally, I favor Uli Roth and Randy Rhoads. I know he doesn't really ever get brought up in this category although he easily could, Van Halen could play this style in his sleep.

carlcranshaw said:

I think Jake Lee was able to maintain the style on Bark at the Moon. I like him with Ozzy and Badlands. Zakk Wylde is also dope.

lilgish said:

Me neither. I wasn't too crazy about Marty Friedman's solo music either. It just sounded like six-string acrobatics to me. "Perpetual Burn" sounded like it was more than just impressive chops...it sounded inspired.

gcu1

carlcranshaw said:

I got MUCH LOVE for Randy!!! "Blizzard of Ozz" and "Diary Of A Madman" are two of the finest for the ages!

gcu1

blackguitaristz said:

With all that classical piano training,there is so much untapped potential with Eddie Van Halen. I love his chord phrasing in songs like "Girl Gone Bad" and "Can't Get This Stuff No More." I could listen to him play like that all damn day.

It's a shame Eddie doesn't have Prince's desire to release music to the public. Prince isn't afraid of dismal sales or negative critical reaction. I wish Ed, Al and Mike would at least create some instrumental jams and release them as downloads or something...they could do it if they REALLY wanted to.

Is it just me or does it seem like people have forgotten how popular Eddie was back in the late 70s and early 80s (even into the early 90s)? King Edward reigned supreme and eclipsed everybody...he was really Hot Shit! All who came before were temporarily rendered obsolete, and all who came after were labled as post-Van Halen. It's almost as if there's some "revisionist history" goin' on. I liked Randy Rhoads better, but I had to admit Eddie dominated in popularity.

gcu1

SPYZFAN1 said:

HELL YEAH!

gcu1 said:

I agree.

Never really been a fan of this genre.
A great deal of the material i've heard sounded like bad compositions as an excuse to play 1000 mph solos over.

The only 2 artists I can bare to listen to are the grand-daddy of some of these guitar techniques, Allan Holdsworth (check 70s era Soft Machine, Tony Williams Lifetime and Jean-Luc Ponty) and the one who added some soul/funk/groove to the playing style, Greg Howe. To tell you the truth, I personally don't really consider them to be in this category anymore and i'm not sure if Allan Holdsworth ever was. What i'm talking about here are the guitar techniques they employ.

What these two seem to understand that most of these guys don't is when to put on the brakes and play some whole notes (or no notes at all).

The very 1st player I heard using this fast/legato non blues based technique was Jan Akkerman from the group Focus.
Their unlikely hit single Hocus Pocus actually heard him playing in this style on AM radio in 1973.
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Addendum (An interesting little story about this kind of guitar playing)...

A friend of mine was a sales representative for a Japanese company that made a particular guitar product that one of these "shredder" types happened to use.
My friend took the president of this company (an older Japanese gentleman), to this player's concert and arranged to have them meet after the show.
When they were introduced to each other, the company president bowed in the traditional way and then said with a big smile, "Aah, many notes, but no meaning."

I'm sure he didn't mean to be insulting, but his honest comment hit the nail right on the head.

Addendum edit

tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431
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The stuff Greg Howe is doing with Dennis Chambers is killer. Holdsworth is another cat that can blaze. I love Al Dimeloa's 70's electric stuff, but his 1985 all acoustic CD "Cielo De Terra" is amazing and breathtaking.

OH YES.....BUCKETHEAD CAN SHRED!!!!!

theAudience said:

I'll check it out

blackguitaristz said:

I think there's been a recent backlash against Eddie because of his drinking and uneven performances during the last Van Hagar tour. I heard a drunken interview he did with some radio station earlier this year - it was obvious that EVH was the joke - he just didn't know it. It was pretty sad. Add to that a recent reprinted story from 1981 in Guitar One magazine where he talks mad s**t about Michael Anthony and Dave and comes across as a bit of a prick.

Still, whenever I go back and listen to any of the DLR era VH stuff, Eddie's still the man...I also think he's a funky rhythm player as well.

Oh yeah, though he's not really classified as a shredder (though he CAN shred) Vito Bratta of White Lion has always been one of my favorites. There's even a website that's mainly dedicated to finding out what the heck he's doin' nowadays, sort of like Jesse Johnson.

SPYZFAN1 said:

I have recommended "Extraction" to so many people it ain't even funny. Greg Howe, Dennis Chambers and Victor Wooten...who says black power is dead?
That was some brilliant musicianship. Its too bad they all had too much other stuff going to do a tour. I would have been in the house on several occasions for that one!

JesseDezz said:

Poor Edward...he still deserves some respect IMO! I'm glad I didn't hear the interview. It probably would have made me cringe.

There was also a severe backlash against Eddie in 1996 after the MTV Video Music Awards debacle. That was pretty damn cruel to tease fans like me with the prospect of a reunion with DLR. And just recently Michael Anthony let it be known that he had to take a cut in pay to be on the 2004 tour. Apparently Eddie didn't even want him there. Mike seems like too nice of a guy to be treated like such shit.

I remember being humbled by Vito Bratta when I saw the video for "Wait." That was one tasty guitar solo! I also saw him live and he was definitely a brilliant, impressive player.

gcu1