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Reply #30 posted 04/22/06 11:16am

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Reply #31 posted 04/22/06 12:10pm

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Yes, THIS is a tough question even for me. But what do you think?






I think that Malcolm would have disliked any artist who was more about style than substance so that would be about 90% of what's out there today.

For Michael, I think Malcolm would have respected his talent, but would pity him as a person. I think he would be cool with the latest incarnation of Prince, but back in the day, if he could have, Malcolm would've grabbed Prince and shook him until his teeth rattled! lol
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Reply #32 posted 04/22/06 12:15pm

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StoneCrib said:

Thriller81 said:

Okay, enough is enough. The people on this thread don't have a clue what they're talking about. I think Elijah Muhammad and the old schoolers of the Nation of Islam would have spoken out against any Black artist they would consider "sell-outs" or "degrading" like Prince, or Michael, they would have hated any or all Blacks in entertainment only because they felt comfortable talking about them instead of reaching out and talking, and teaching them. Malcolm would have reached out.

I know for a fact because I got family in the NOI that the Nation today (new school members) love Prince and Michael Jackson and any other Black artist because first and foremost they're our brothers and sisters. They hate and speak against the music industry, the entertainment industry in general, because it exploits Blacks, always have and always will. So the term "sell-out" is an obsolete nowadays. It would be considered a waste of time. That's why we're one of the most divided people on earth because we're so quickly to holla "sell-out", and we don't even know these people.

It's like hating soldiers who are fighting in Iraq, don't hate them, hate the people with the idea of going to war. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

P.S.: Stepin Fetchitt was a member of the Nation of Islam, did you know that?


The term "Sell-out" will NEVER be obsolete as long as there are Blacks that turn their backs on their people. Maybe YOU should think about that one for a bit as you ask yourself about Clarence Thomas?


Read the last lines of my post. "Don't Hate The Player, Hate The Game". I can never hate Clarence Thomas or Ward Connorly because these guy never made of the rules. And what good would it do to hate these guys other than push these guys even further away from the Black community. So if these guys turn their backs, it's our job to grab them, and if need to pull their asses back to the community.
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Reply #33 posted 04/22/06 12:23pm

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StoneCrib said:



The term "Sell-out" will NEVER be obsolete as long as there are Blacks that turn their backs on their people. Maybe YOU should think about that one for a bit as you ask yourself about Clarence Thomas?


Read the last lines of my post. "Don't Hate The Player, Hate The Game". I can never hate Clarence Thomas or Ward Connorly because these guy never made of the rules. And what good would it do to hate these guys other than push these guys even further away from the Black community. So if these guys turn their backs, it's our job to grab them, and if need to pull their asses back to the community.

That's ridiculous, because if youre gonna "play the game" then that means you're VERY CONSCIOUS of your actions and ability to play the game and who you're fucking over as you play the game, so miss me with that bullshit. Some people can't be rehabilitated, Clarence Thomas is one of those people. He's better off dead in my book.
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Reply #34 posted 04/22/06 12:30pm

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Imagine Prince wearin a bow tie. giggle
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #35 posted 04/22/06 12:44pm

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SexyBeautifulOne said:

Ok, I'll say it, someone has to. He wouldn't have liked Prince at all. Especially back in the bikini and trenchcoat days. disbelief


SBO, you ain't kidding! lol



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Reply #36 posted 04/22/06 12:44pm

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StoneCrib said:

Oh, THAT'S an easy 1 - There's only ONE answer for that question:

I can even here Malcolm's speech about MJ:

MALCOLM X ON MICHAEL JACKSON (In that haunting Malcolm X voice of his):

Never has there ever been a more embarrassing "so-called Negro" such as this man. He's captivated by the white man's beauty and the white man's vices and the white man's women. His face alone is a disgrace to Africa and every African that died for him to have the right to be who he wants to be. Sadly he IS who wants to be.

He sings for the white man. He dances for the white man. He wants to BE the white man. Yes. That same white man that enslaved our people and that continue to oppress our people to this very day. Yes. Our people. His people...or what he USED to claim as HIS people. Young Mr. Jackson needs to recognize the beauty of being black and all that is Black. Unfortunately...I say unfortunately, he no longer even recognizes himself.


Sad but true. sad
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Reply #37 posted 04/22/06 12:47pm

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KoolEaze said:

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Ok, I'll say it, someone has to. He wouldn't have liked Prince at all. Especially back in the bikini and trenchcoat days. disbelief



Oh . I´m not so sure about that...he might have admired him for his courage and his rebellious and daring attitude....and I´m sure he would have loved the Prince who wrote Avalanche and Family Name, and Sacrifice Of Victor, and Money Don´t Matter 2Nite and Live 4 Love and Uncle Sam and Superhero and We March and Partyup and Controversy....

True, he would not have approved of the conk , but Malcolm did similar things back when he was younger, and he was intelligent so he would have noticed the pride and ambition and positivity and brains underneath that conk of Prince. wink



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Reply #38 posted 04/22/06 12:49pm

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DarlingDiana said:


I do know my history, that's why I know Malcom X was a racist. He hated white people, and called us crackers. That's racist.


Actually you are ignorant of your history because if you knew your history, you would know that Malcolm X changed his perception on whites after his visit to Mecca, which caused a major friction between him and the Nation of Islam and served as one of a multitude of factors that led to his death. Why don't you LEARN about someone before you pass judgements.
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Reply #39 posted 04/22/06 12:52pm

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Thriller81 said:

Okay, enough is enough. The people on this thread don't have a clue what they're talking about. I think Elijah Muhammad and the old schoolers of the Nation of Islam would have spoken out against any Black artist they would consider "sell-outs" or "degrading" like Prince, or Michael, they would have hated any or all Blacks in entertainment only because they felt comfortable talking about them instead of reaching out and talking, and teaching them. Malcolm would have reached out.

I know for a fact because I got family in the NOI that the Nation today (new school members) love Prince and Michael Jackson and any other Black artist because first and foremost they're our brothers and sisters. They hate and speak against the music industry, the entertainment industry in general, because it exploits Blacks, always have and always will. So the term "sell-out" is an obsolete nowadays. It would be considered a waste of time. That's why we're one of the most divided people on earth because we're so quickly to holla "sell-out", and we don't even know these people.

It's like hating soldiers who are fighting in Iraq, don't hate them, hate the people with the idea of going to war. Don't hate the player, hate the game.


P.S.: Stepin Fetchitt was a member of the Nation of Islam, did you know that?


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Reply #40 posted 04/22/06 12:57pm

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StoneCrib said:

Thriller81 said:

Okay, enough is enough. The people on this thread don't have a clue what they're talking about. I think Elijah Muhammad and the old schoolers of the Nation of Islam would have spoken out against any Black artist they would consider "sell-outs" or "degrading" like Prince, or Michael, they would have hated any or all Blacks in entertainment only because they felt comfortable talking about them instead of reaching out and talking, and teaching them. Malcolm would have reached out.

I know for a fact because I got family in the NOI that the Nation today (new school members) love Prince and Michael Jackson and any other Black artist because first and foremost they're our brothers and sisters. They hate and speak against the music industry, the entertainment industry in general, because it exploits Blacks, always have and always will. So the term "sell-out" is an obsolete nowadays. It would be considered a waste of time. That's why we're one of the most divided people on earth because we're so quickly to holla "sell-out", and we don't even know these people.

It's like hating soldiers who are fighting in Iraq, don't hate them, hate the people with the idea of going to war. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

P.S.: Stepin Fetchitt was a member of the Nation of Islam, did you know that?


The term "Sell-out" will NEVER be obsolete as long as there are Blacks that turn their backs on their people. Maybe YOU should think about that one for a bit as you ask yourself about Clarence Thomas?


I think T81 is saying that it's THE SYSTEM that is the real enemy behind all of this "divide & conquer" foolish.

And BTW, the term "sell-out" should be a new thread in itself....because I would love to know what it takes to be consider a sell-out.
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Reply #41 posted 04/22/06 12:59pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Imagine Prince wearin a bow tie. giggle


...like that elf on Drawn Together!!! lol
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Reply #42 posted 04/22/06 1:03pm

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TonyVanDam said:

StoneCrib said:



The term "Sell-out" will NEVER be obsolete as long as there are Blacks that turn their backs on their people. Maybe YOU should think about that one for a bit as you ask yourself about Clarence Thomas?


I think T81 is saying that it's THE SYSTEM that is the real enemy behind all of this "divide & conquer" foolish.

And BTW, the term "sell-out" should be a new thread in itself....because I would love to know what it takes to be consider a sell-out.


Thank you, somebody who gets it. And while I know this is not a political thread, the music/entertainment industry plays the same game, remember the term "crossover". And it's more a money issue than a racial issue.
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Reply #43 posted 04/22/06 1:48pm

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Which Malcom are we talking about. Malcom before his trip to Mecca or Malcom after Mecca?
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Reply #44 posted 04/22/06 1:59pm

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StoneCrib said:

Oh, THAT'S an easy 1 - There's only ONE answer for that question:

I can even here Malcolm's speech about MJ:

MALCOLM X ON MICHAEL JACKSON (In that haunting Malcolm X voice of his):

Never has there ever been a more embarrassing "so-called Negro" such as this man. He's captivated by the white man's beauty and the white man's vices and the white man's women. His face alone is a disgrace to Africa and every African that died for him to have the right to be who he wants to be. Sadly he IS who wants to be.

He sings for the white man. He dances for the white man. He wants to BE the white man. Yes. That same white man that enslaved our people and that continue to oppress our people to this very day. Yes. Our people. His people...or what he USED to claim as HIS people. Young Mr. Jackson needs to recognize the beauty of being black and all that is Black. Unfortunately...I say unfortunately, he no longer even recognizes himself.



I think Malcom would have directed his anger at a society that is so twisted that it would drive MJ to do to himself what he has, rather than hate on MJ, the person (much like Malcom spoke about himself, as he was before he went to prison and got educated).
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Reply #45 posted 04/22/06 2:00pm

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Stax said:

Which Malcom are we talking about. Malcom before his trip to Mecca or Malcom after Mecca?




I think it's been established that we're talking Malcolm post-Mecca.
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Reply #46 posted 04/22/06 2:04pm

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babynoz said:

Stax said:

Which Malcom are we talking about. Malcom before his trip to Mecca or Malcom after Mecca?




I think it's been established that we're talking Malcolm post-Mecca.


then I question whether he would of spoke of MJ in terms of black v. white
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Reply #47 posted 04/22/06 2:18pm

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TonyVanDam said:

StoneCrib said:



The term "Sell-out" will NEVER be obsolete as long as there are Blacks that turn their backs on their people. Maybe YOU should think about that one for a bit as you ask yourself about Clarence Thomas?


I think T81 is saying that it's THE SYSTEM that is the real enemy behind all of this "divide & conquer" foolish.

And BTW, the term "sell-out" should be a new thread in itself....because I would love to know what it takes to be consider a sell-out.

Yeah, we've BEEN knowing who the enemy is, that shit is old news. Now, it's up to the fools that are sleeping with the enemy to wake the fuck up. Ya can't keep playing the game and blaming someone else for YOUR actions just because you KNOW who started the game.
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Reply #48 posted 04/22/06 2:21pm

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babynoz said:

Stax said:

Which Malcom are we talking about. Malcom before his trip to Mecca or Malcom after Mecca?




I think it's been established that we're talking Malcolm post-Mecca.

No, no one said which Malcolm, some just suggested which one. No one settled on which one. My speech was from the Pre-Mecca El-Hajj Malik el-Shabazz.
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Reply #49 posted 04/22/06 2:24pm

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Stax said:

StoneCrib said:

Oh, THAT'S an easy 1 - There's only ONE answer for that question:

I can even here Malcolm's speech about MJ:

MALCOLM X ON MICHAEL JACKSON (In that haunting Malcolm X voice of his):

Never has there ever been a more embarrassing "so-called Negro" such as this man. He's captivated by the white man's beauty and the white man's vices and the white man's women. His face alone is a disgrace to Africa and every African that died for him to have the right to be who he wants to be. Sadly he IS who wants to be.

He sings for the white man. He dances for the white man. He wants to BE the white man. Yes. That same white man that enslaved our people and that continue to oppress our people to this very day. Yes. Our people. His people...or what he USED to claim as HIS people. Young Mr. Jackson needs to recognize the beauty of being black and all that is Black. Unfortunately...I say unfortunately, he no longer even recognizes himself.



I think Malcom would have directed his anger at a society that is so twisted that it would drive MJ to do to himself what he has, rather than hate on MJ, the person (much like Malcom spoke about himself, as he was before he went to prison and got educated).

Pre-Mecca X woulda delivered it much like the way I surmised it. Pre-Mecca X was a hard hitter, hell, he dogged out MLK and called him out for "turning the other cheek" against violence towards Blacks so I'm SURE he'd dog out MJ for mutilating his face, especially since he did it because he didn't like his African features.
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Reply #50 posted 04/22/06 2:27pm

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DarlingDiana said:

Rhondab said:



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Know your history before you say stupid stuff.....

I do know my history, that's why I know Malcom X was a racist. He hated white people, and called us crackers. That's racist.


Yeah Malcolm X was a horrible racist. His mother was the product of white men raping black grandmother and his father was murdered by whites. Then he had the never to call whites "crackers", what a terrible, terrible man he was. sad
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Reply #51 posted 04/22/06 2:28pm

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DarlingDiana said:


I do know my history, that's why I know Malcom X was a racist. He hated white people, and called us crackers. That's racist.


Yeah Malcolm X was a horrible racist. His mother was the product of white men raping black grandmother and his father was murdered by whites. Then he had the never to call whites "crackers", what a terrible, terrible man he was. sad

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Reply #52 posted 04/22/06 2:38pm

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StoneCrib said:

Stax said:




I think Malcom would have directed his anger at a society that is so twisted that it would drive MJ to do to himself what he has, rather than hate on MJ, the person (much like Malcom spoke about himself, as he was before he went to prison and got educated).

Pre-Mecca X woulda delivered it much like the way I surmised it. Pre-Mecca X was a hard hitter, hell, he dogged out MLK and called him out for "turning the other cheek" against violence towards Blacks so I'm SURE he'd dog out MJ for mutilating his face, especially since he did it because he didn't like his African features.


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Reply #53 posted 04/22/06 2:42pm

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Stax said:

Which Malcom are we talking about. Malcom before his trip to Mecca or Malcom after Mecca?


When I started THIS thread, I was think about Malcolm X AFTER his trip to Mecca.

But he created great speeches during BOTH eras however.
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Reply #54 posted 04/22/06 2:48pm

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StoneCrib said:

TonyVanDam said:



I think T81 is saying that it's THE SYSTEM that is the real enemy behind all of this "divide & conquer" foolish.

And BTW, the term "sell-out" should be a new thread in itself....because I would love to know what it takes to be consider a sell-out.

Yeah, we've BEEN knowing who the enemy is, that shit is old news. Now, it's up to the fools that are sleeping with the enemy to wake the fuck up. Ya can't keep playing the game and blaming someone else for YOUR actions just because you KNOW who started the game.




Thats right. Pull your own bootslaps damn it and get a job.






EDIT: j/k SC! biggrin
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Reply #55 posted 04/22/06 2:49pm

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TonyVanDam said:

StoneCrib said:


Yeah, we've BEEN knowing who the enemy is, that shit is old news. Now, it's up to the fools that are sleeping with the enemy to wake the fuck up. Ya can't keep playing the game and blaming someone else for YOUR actions just because you KNOW who started the game.




Thats right. Pull your own bootslaps damn it and get a job.






EDIT: j/k SC! biggrin
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How is what I said remotely close to that racist clown?
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Reply #56 posted 04/22/06 2:52pm

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TonyVanDam said:

Stax said:

Which Malcom are we talking about. Malcom before his trip to Mecca or Malcom after Mecca?


When I started THIS thread, I was think about Malcolm X AFTER his trip to Mecca.

But he created great speeches during BOTH eras however.
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Reply #57 posted 04/22/06 2:58pm

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StoneCrib said:

TonyVanDam said:





Thats right. Pull your own bootslaps damn it and get a job.






EDIT: j/k SC! biggrin
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How is what I said remotely close to that racist clown?



1. I was only kidding. Honest!!!

2. I remember Rush use to say THE SAME thing on his own TV show from the early 90's: [b]Stop blaming other people for you own bad decisions, be accountable for you own actions, etc. etc. etc.



BTW, Malcolm X VS. Rush would have been a classic if Malcolm was alive today. Imagine Malcolm letting Rush have it!!! cool
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Reply #58 posted 04/22/06 3:02pm

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TonyVanDam said:

StoneCrib said:



How is what I said remotely close to that racist clown?



1. I was only kidding. Honest!!!

2. I remember Rush use to say THE SAME thing on his own TV show from the early 90's: [b]Stop blaming other people for you own bad decisions, be accountable for you own actions, etc. etc. etc.



BTW, Malcolm X VS. Rush would have been a classic if Malcolm was alive today. Imagine Malcolm letting Rush have it!!! cool
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Yeah, but my comments had nothign to do with "doing things for yourself" it was about stop blaming the game for your actions when you're grown enough to know what the game is all about.

And Malcolm woulda shitted all over Rash Limbaugh. It woulda been a massacre.
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Reply #59 posted 04/22/06 3:11pm

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StoneCrib said:

TonyVanDam said:




1. I was only kidding. Honest!!!

2. I remember Rush use to say THE SAME thing on his own TV show from the early 90's: [b]Stop blaming other people for you own bad decisions, be accountable for you own actions, etc. etc. etc.



BTW, Malcolm X VS. Rush would have been a classic if Malcolm was alive today. Imagine Malcolm letting Rush have it!!! cool
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Yeah, but my comments had nothign to do with "doing things for yourself" it was about stop blaming the game for your actions when you're grown enough to know what the game is all about.

And Malcolm woulda shitted all over Rash Limbaugh. It woulda been a massacre.



Rush would've needed more drugs after dealing with Malcolm...lol
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