woogiebear said:

woogiebear said:

When it comes to heated arguments, Charlton "Old Moses" Heston is a beast.

I don't agree with some of his political views, but he knows how to make a statement.

I don't think Oprah could handle herself against a real man that will argue against her.

Charleston Heston aint nobody, He would get bitched slapped by Oprah, A real man Please, He is an idiot. He supports that stupid Gun organization? Right now i'm sure he is changin his depends.

legendofnothing said:

Oprah is no Wendy Williams. When Old Moses shows Oprah what time it is, she'll crack & have him ban from Harpo Studio.

Now Wendy on the other hand would LOVE to argue with Old Moses on radio bacause she all about drama.

When Luda was on Oprah, she gave him a hard time about using the word "nigga" but yet she has other people on her show who use the world regularly like Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle - two of whom she's never confront for using the word.

These conservative TV muthafuckas stay tryna get @ Luda.

Prospect said:

Not true, she brought it up w/ each one of them...

I think Oprah's game, with regard to most black men, has been fairly obvious from her "Caller, you say what?" days. That she's buddy-buddy with the Cruises and Travoltas of the world kinda says it all for me.

CalhounSq said:

I dont remember her giving Chapelle and Rock a hard fuckin time about it lik she did to Luda. She even had to edit out his alot of his response so it looked like she was sonning him.
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Prospect said:

Maybe she didn't give them as hard a time b/c she respects their artistry, respects them as performers, thinks they use it in a less deadly context. But to say she's never confronted them on use of the word is just incorrect...

EXCUSE ME, but I have been reading about this story on the internet for the past week and the most surprising thing is the number of people that seem to be coming to Ludacris'defense. I have a question....DID ANYONE HERE ACTUALLY SEE THE SHOW? Ludacris says Oprah would not let him speak, do you know what he was trying to defend as he was trying to speak? Unfortunately all of the black men on the stage, Don Cheadle (which TOTALLY DISAPPOINTED ME), Terrance Howard, and Chris,"Ludacris" Bridges, were ALL defending black people calling each other N*ggas, and OPRAH wasn't having it. I applauded her then and I applaud her now.

Yes, Ludacris was on the show as an actor but did we all forget why they were on the show? Did we all forget what the theme of the movie was that they were on the show discussing? Did we forget the ridiculous reasons Don Cheadle and Terrance Howard were giving for why black people should call each other that word. Every black person on that stage was defending black people calling each other that word EXCEPT OPRAH WINFREY (Thandie Newton sat in silence).

Besides, if Oprah had issues with Ludacris, stop and think for a moment WHY she had issue with him. Is it because of his hair? Is it because of his skin color? Is it because of where he is from? NO!!!!! It is because of his disrespect of women, particularly black women in his work, considering who his audience is and how that type of thing affects the black community. And unfortunately, his field of work is FULL of that. THAT is why she has issue with Ludacris and many like him. Is she wrong for that? Does she have a right to feel the way she does?

Ice Cube also spoke out against her on the Tavis Smiley show after she would not allow him on her show to promote the "Black and White" show he is involved in. I applauded her on that one as well.

Black people, wake up! All of these attacks on Oprah on this particular subject are off base.

One last thing, all of you that say Oprah has not or does not tackle tough subjects, either have not seen her show in the past 25 years, and most definitely do not watch it now. Oprah, very wisely, does not come straight out and say certain things but she doesn't hide her feeling on a lot of topics. The voting show she had with P. Diddy, Cameron Diaz, Drew Barrymore, etc. was a telling show. Barack Obama sitting on her couch was a telling show. The "Is War the Only Answer" show was a telling episode. Her recent report on America's schools and the Expose' of the Katrina disaster, were telling shows.

Oprah was right on on that show that Ludacris was on and I support her 100% on it.

VelvetJ said:

I think you may be misisng everyone's point: They're not necessarily defending Luda as much as they are calling Opie a hypocrite for not going after the comedians that she has on the show that also use those words, or at least she doesn't go at them as vehemently as she did Luda.

StoneCrib said:

Did you guys see the Dave Chappelle episode of her show? Did you guys hear what he was saying on that show? He was unsettled by the images he was putting out of black people. That is why he left Comedy Central and why he tried to keep them from showing the episodes he had already filmed. Did you guys hear him say he didn't want to disappoint black people by the images he was putting out?

If you guys remember, the same thing happened with Chris Tucker after the movie 'Friday' was released and a little boy approached him as "Smokey" and asked him to smoke some weed with him. I believe that same bolt of lighting that hit Dave Chappelle hit Chris Tucker and he realized what he had been doing.

Well, I think Oprah was aware of the epiphony Dave had before she allowed him on the show, which would explain why he had not been on it before then.

But even so,( and some may view this a hypocritical of me), the comedic world has not had the same level of influence on the black community as many of the negative aspects of the Hip Hop community. Some may disagree but in my opinion nothing influences black youth and attitudes in the black community today more than Hip Hop culture. It is a very powerful thing, and when you use it to degrade your women (and we all know how Oprah feel about the plight of women) and your people, it can be devastating, and I believe Oprah is aware of this, which further explains her reaction to Ludacris.

And with all due respect StoneCrib, for the most part what I have been reading online most of her critics didn't even see the show. They are the same people for criticizing Oprah for having Karinn Stephans on her show, whom if certain people actually SAW the show, would know she was on there telling girls not to get into the "Video World" because it was not what they think it is. It is full of drugs and abuse and the girls are not respected. But from what I've been reading people have been calling that woman all kinds of names and calling Oprah a hypocrite for having her on the show, without even knowing WHY she was on the show. Yeah, for the most part, those same people are coming to Ludacris' defense.

VelvetJ said:

You're way off on that one because people were imitating Stepin Fetchit LONG before Hip Hop was even thought of. There was Richard Prior LONG before Hip Hop. There was Eddie Murphy LONG before Hip Hop and ALL of those aforementioned caught their share of hell for negative influences of the Black image. Comedy isn't exempt, not in the least bit.

StoneCrib said:

Is she/he really saying comedy is "exempt", or are they saying that hip hop is a bigger & much more powerful influence these days??



And what'cha think of that Maxwell joint??





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Oprah can go fuck herself; she's almost as insufferable as Madonna these days.

CalhounSq said:

More like she's giving comedy a "pass" and Hip Hop is held to tougher standards. Go fihure. And that Maxy joint is BIZZANGIN'! Thanks again, luv!

StoneCrib said:

Hopefully you thanked someone else too

CalhounSq said:

Oh yeah, most def! I hit up BK and thanked him as well!

StoneCrib said:

May many a panty drop to the sounds of that song

CalhounSq said:

anyone have a video?

StoneCrib said:

I'm guessing that you didn't see ATL ?
TI's character is a high school student, who's trying to raise his younger
brother because their parents died in a accident and he's not selling drugs to
make money... he works for a cleaning company ..... very enjoyable movie

banks said:

I'm a filmmaker - a Black filmmaker. Save the story, because the storylines are all the same: Black kid struggling to get out of the hood; it fronts as an "uplifting movie" but all the while it glorifies drug dealing, cars, and hoes. So again, miss me with that nonsense. If they wanna portray Black life, tell a love story. Love happens more than death, drugs, and violence in the hood.

StoneCrib said:

I didn't see nothing positive in the trailer they show for the movie either.

VelvetJ said:

Al I want to know is has O ever did a show where she was critical of herself?

Romera said:

Exactly.

Romera said:

StoneCrib said:

I'm beginning to think I'm wasting my time.

I can't say if Oprah has done a show that was soley about criticism of herself but she HAS done shows where she has admitted to being wrong about something, and shows on telling about mistakes she has made in her life. Does that count for anything?

Oprah is not perfect and I assumed everyone knew that was the case. So trying to pull up every single flaw about her is not necessary. She is not above criticism but on this particular thing, she was right on.

StoneCrib said:

Well stated. 100% agree.